Let's Prove to Marvel that Cyclops is COOL

[Harlekin]

I think it's pretty out of character - Scott's always been defined in some way by his relationship with Jean Grey. He left Madelyne for Jean. He married Madelyne because she looked exactly like Jean. He formed X-Factor with Jean. Most of his professional and personal decisions up until his merger with Apocalypse had something to do with Jean in one aspect or another.

Then, Mr. Morrison comes in with New X-men and in forty or so issues complicates things, makes Scott love Jean but in a different way then before (why?), and pairs off Scott with Emma (again, why?). I'm not necessarily against this, but I do not think it was necessary at all - Scott and his relationship with Jean was interesting, IMO, from the start. There was no need to change something that wasn't broken in the first place just to make it "more interesting."

At least when Scott left Madelyne for Jean, even if we ignore the fact that Scott still truly loved Jean Grey when he married her clone, the two had a couple decades of history and dialogue between them. Emma Frost, on the other hand, just seemed like a random broad picked out of a magical hat for a fanfic. Okay, Scott and Emma are not ALL bad, but the circumstances that brought them together was...let's say random, and the history between them has been insignificant.

Because that's the way it goes sometimes. Not everyone stays with their 'one true love'. People change, and I truly believe Cycke still loves Jean (apparent still from all of the memories we see coming back), but in a different way now. They're the couple a few houses away that you NEVER expected to divorce, but they did. Sometimes you just stop being in love with something.

Sure, the reasons behind making the change (could be shock value) may not be all that good, but the story direction, although surprising, is realistic.

 

[Shadow_Knight]

Cyclops is okay to me not on of my favorites but Cyclops is a cool character on the X-men.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The main reason behind the whole Scott-Emma thing was that Jean reminded Morrison of his first wife and Emma of his current (second wife).

 

[Zeu]

I had no problem with Scott separating from Jean, girl was a skank.
How many times did she smooched tongues with that other hairy midget?

 

[ghost113]

yeah but he was mostly the one doing the kissing

 

[D-scythe]

Because that's the way it goes sometimes. Not everyone stays with their 'one true love'. People change, and I truly believe Cycke still loves Jean (apparent still from all of the memories we see coming back), but in a different way now. They're the couple a few houses away that you NEVER expected to divorce, but they did. Sometimes you just stop being in love with something.

I know. I acknowledged/agreed with everything you said in my previous post. However, I read comics to get away from real life, not have it handed back to me in ink and colour. Just because true love doesn't happen in real life for a hero doesn't mean that I don't expect it to happen in a comic.

There are other ways to make a character more interesting besides butchering his/her main romance with another character and pairing them off with a random broad. There are other ways to make a hero more human than to have him have a telepathic affair with a pair of boobs dressed as an evil version of your wife.

Sure, Scott and Jean aren't exactly the most popular of Marvel characters, but as far as couples go, they are pretty much iconic. I don't think anyone can rank them any lower than the Top 4 comic couples of all time, after Clark/Lois, Peter/MJ and Reed/Sue. I at the very least expect their relationship to change over more than 40 issues. Even in real life, you don't just suddenly fall out of love with your significant other.

Sure, the reasons behind making the change (could be shock value) may not be all that good, but the story direction, although surprising, is realistic.

Realistic? I don't think I can give you that. Comics in general are not realistic. Sensible, maybe, in that it does make some logical sense. As I said before, it's not that I don't like the change, I just thought it was completely unnecessary.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I had no problem with Scott separating from Jean, girl was a skank.
How many times did she smooched tongues with that other hairy midget?

Ummm not really, if anything Wolverine got shafted. Only during Morrisons run did Jean ever initiate the kiss itself. Before that Wolverine was the one who always kissed her, and she usually pushed him away and quickly. In fact during an X-run around the ninties she admitted Scott was the better kisser.

 

[Zeu]

Ummm not really, if anything Wolverine got shafted. Only during Morrisons run did Jean ever initiate the kiss itself. Before that Wolverine was the one who always kissed her, and she usually pushed him away and quickly. In fact during an X-run around the ninties she admitted Scott was the better kisser.

Do you know how many times your post seems to imply it happened?

If she was honest about her feelings toward Scott, she´d have tk´ed him to the limits of his regen ability the first it happened.

Or you´re gonna tell me you´re okay with your girlfriend exchanging saliva and germs with a dwarf everytime they´re alone in a room?

 

[Tropico]

That time in Genosha when they were depowered and Wolverine was dying from Adamantium poisoning didn't look like just a kiss to me and she didn't push him away quickly. Jean always felt attraction towards Wolverine.

 

[Zeu]

That time in Genosha when they were depowered and Wolverine was dying from Adamantium poisoning didn't look like just a kiss to me and she didn't push him away quickly. Jean always felt attraction towards Wolverine.

You mean this one?

Like I said...

Pure

And

unadultered

Skank.

 

[D-scythe]

And after every kiss with another man, Jean always breaks it off first and tells the guy she loves Scott. Or at least something like that.

And if Jean's a skank, then I can't even imagine what Emma is. So what if Jean kissed a few other people? Nobody expects her to be perfect, especially not Scott. He's not stupid, he knows of these kisses, if not in explicit detail. And yet, none of them ever hurt their relationship like Scott's telepathic affair with one miss Emma Frost.

 

[Zeu]

Oh, but with Emma at least we know she´s swallowed more seamen than the Bermuda triangle, she doesn´t pretend to be what she isn´t, while at the same time endulging on romantic kisses with half the males in the MU behind his back.

WYSWYG.

 

[D-scythe]

Oh, but with Emma at least we know she´s swallowed more seamen than the Bermuda triangle, she doesn´t pretend to be what she isn´t, while at the same time endulging on romantic kisses with half the males in the MU.

WYSWYG.

Hmm, let's see...on the one hand, we have a beautiful redhead who, although prone to kissing back other males (after being kissed) in some rather stressful situations, have not ****ted around and have been largely faithful. On the other hand, we have a beautiful blonde who has ****ted around (among other things). Neither are perfect, but both geniunely seem to love a certain Scott Summers.

And since when did Jean pretend to be what she isn't in front of Scott? Maybe to other people, but I didn't see any evidence of it in their relationship until New X-men.

I'm sorry, but even though the Emma/Scott relationship may have its moments, I was always a bigger fan of Scott/Jean.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

emma and scott are happy together at the mo, right? no cheatin, arguments etc?

 

[Zeu]

I´m not naive enough to expect Emma to be a pure chaste maiden dressed in white.

Everyone has luggage, every person brings baggage to a relationship.

In this day and age, only a complete idiot goes into a relationship expecting to find a virgin.

But when you do go to a relationship, you should expect a complete commitment from that other person otherwise this is not a relationship but just two people screwing each other.

i´m not too big on Scott-Emma and so far all I see are two grownups banging each other while nobody better comes along.

Prob with Jean is that she never solved what was going in her heart, she sleept with Scott but half the time her mind was running to Logan or whomever.
That´s what makes her a skank.

To quote Movie Storm (aaarrrggh!), "if you´re with us, BE with us".

If you´re in a relationship with someone, BE with that someone.

Don´t stay with someone physically when deep inside your heart aches and longs for and keeps running toward another man/woman.

Like in Jean´s case.

 

[D-scythe]

I´m not naive enough to expect Emma to be a pure chaste maiden dressed in white.

Everyone has luggage, every person brings baggage to a relationship.

In this day and age, only a complete idiot goes into a relationship expecting to find a virgin.

But when you do go to a relationship, you should expect a complete commitment from that other person otherwise this is not a relationship but just two people screwing each other.

i´m not too big on Scott-Emma and so far all I see are two grownups banging each other while nobody better comes along.

Prob with Jean is that she never solved what was going in her heart, she sleept with Scott but half the time her mind was running to Logan or whomever.
That´s what makes her a skank.

To quote Movie Storm (aaarrrggh!), "if you´re with us, BE with us".

If you´re in a relationship with someone, BE with that someone.

Don´t stay with someone physically when deep inside your heart aches and longs for and keeps running toward another man/woman.

Like in Jean´s case.

Um, how much of Scott/Jean in the comics have you read? Jean LOVES Scott completely. Her attraction to Logan is exactly the same as Scott's attraction to Betsy. Sure, she might've strung Logan along for a while, but she belonged to Scott entirely, body and mind.

And it's not like Scott is completely innocent of man-****ing either.

emma and scott are happy together at the mo, right? no cheatin, arguments etc?

There's a lot of things I'd use to describe their relationship right now (as of AXM 15) but "happy" wouldn't be one of them.

 

[Zeu]

Um, how much of Scott/Jean in the comics have you read? Jean LOVES Scott completely. Her attraction to Logan is exactly the same as Scott's attraction to Betsy. Sure, she might've strung Logan along for a while, but she belonged to Scott entirely, body and mind.

23 years reading comics and I´ve never seen Scott go around kissing women like Jean does men.

Aside from the telepatic incident which escapes me since it came at a time I had already stopped reading X-Men but which strikes me as a moment where the relation was going down anyway.

 

[D-scythe]

23 years reading comics and I´ve never seen Scott go around kissing women like Jean does men.

Aside from the telepatic incident which escapes me since it came at a time I had already stopped reading X-Men but which strikes me as a moment where the relation was going down anyway.

So, over two decades of reading X-men, and you think that Jean secretly desires Logan hidden beneath her relationship with Scott? Hm, interesting, I interpreted things completely differently. Scott and Jean seemed wholely in love with each other (up until New X-men).

 

[Zeu]

She wasn´t a skank in the Clairmont/Byrne days.
Aside from the Jason Wyngarde thing which can be dismissed in SO many ways(starting from the fact that it was really her), she truly was loyal to him then.

But as Wolverine´s popularity increased and someone thought it´d be nice to make him iresistible to any female in the MU and suddenly, the attraction became more than just that.

It´s when her lips started wandering around more and more and this stopped being about True Love between Scott and Jean and became "How many covers featuring Wolverine and Jean kissing can we feature in a month"

 

[D-scythe]

She wasn´t a skank in the Clairmont/Byrne days.
Aside from the Jason Wyngarde thing which can be dismissed in SO many ways(starting from the fact that it was really her), she truly was loyal to him then.

But as Wolverine´s popularity increased and someone thought it´d be nice to make him iresistible to any female in the MU and suddenly, the attraction became more than just that.

It´s when her lips started wandering around more and more and this stopped being about True Love between Scott and Jean and became "How many covers featuring Wolverine and Jean kissing can we feature in a month"

But her lips never wandered (technically). Logan initiated each and every kiss up until New X-men. Hell, as Shadowboxing stated, Jean even said that Scott was the better kisser (although I didn't catch that issue).

 

[Tropico]

Um, how much of Scott/Jean in the comics have you read? Jean LOVES Scott completely. Her attraction to Logan is exactly the same as Scott's attraction to Betsy. Sure, she might've strung Logan along for a while, but she belonged to Scott entirely, body and mind.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It's EXACTLY like the Scott/Betsy thing? Really?! How many times did they kiss? What else happened there besides Betsy throwing herself at him and Scott getting all embarassed about it?

 

[BrianWilly]

Okay I'm sorry, I just have to laugh at this.

And after every kiss with another man, Jean always breaks it off first and tells the guy she loves Scott. Or at least something like that.

Yeah sure, that makes it all better. She's got loose lips, but hey it's okay 'cause she feels really bad about it. Honest!

I love Jean, but come on.

 

[D-scythe]

Guys, come on, cut me some slack here - I never said Jean was a saint, just that she was not a skank

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! It's EXACTLY like the Scott/Betsy thing? Really?! How many times did they kiss? What else happened there besides Betsy throwing herself at him and Scott getting all embarassed about it?

Okay, you know I didn't mean that literally. Obviously, not exactly. My bad. I just meant that Jean's relationship with Logan is similar to Scott's relationship with Betsy in that the romantic feelings were mostly one sided. And, caught up in the moment I was, I exaggerated a bit.

Yeah sure, that makes it all better. She's got loose lips, but hey it's okay 'cause she feels really bad about it. Honest!

I love Jean, but come on

Obviously, it's not gonna make it "all better," but come on, give her some credit. Jean never kissed any of those men - those men kissed her. And obviously, the natural reaction to being kissed when in love with someone else is to break it off cause of guilt.

Look, all I'm saying is the fact that Jean kissed a few men (I count only a few, actually, not the entire male 616 universe) does NOT make her a skank. When all's said and done, Emma Frost still ranks higher on the skank meter than Jean Grey, with looser lips than her redheaded counterpart will ever have. And I'm not talking about her mouth.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That time in Genosha when they were depowered and Wolverine was dying from Adamantium poisoning didn't look like just a kiss to me and she didn't push him away quickly. Jean always felt attraction towards Wolverine.

Always, you're out of your freakin' mind. Was the time she called Wolverine "an insufferable little snot" to his face an indication of her love. Or how about marrying Scott. Or raising children with him in an alternate dimension. Yeah she really "loved" Wolverine . I'm going to give you guys a real life lesson, if you don't think girls flirt with other guys while they are dating someone else you have your head up your ass.

Kissing other guys also does not make you a skank either.

 

[Tropico]

Always, you're out of your freakin' mind. Was the time she called Wolverine "an insufferable little snot" to his face an indication of her love. Or how about marrying Scott. Or raising children with him in an alternate dimension. Yeah she really "loved" Wolverine . I'm going to give you guys a real life lesson, if you don't think girls flirt with other guys while they are dating someone else you have your head up your ass.

Kissing other guys also does not make you a skank either.

I'm more "in my mind" than you apparently are. Read my post carefully and you'll notice that I say that the Wolverine/Jean thing was attraction, not love. There's a difference there and if you don't know that, then you're the one that needs real life lessons instead of the rest of us.

Flirting is one thing, I understand flirting and KNOW it's normal even within married couples (even though it can lead to hypocritical jealousy a lot of times, but that's another story). Kissing other people while in a commited realtionship doesn't make you a skank? In my book it does, real life and comic life. I wouldn't want my girlfriend/wife kissing another man in a "moment of weakness" or because it was a "mistake", those are just excuses. Apart from the whole Scott/Emma thing the only times Scott has been with another woman has been when Jean has been out of the picture. Jean has had loose lips while being with Scott. I love the Jean Grey character and I think she's a good woman, I just don't think she's superior to him in regards to faithfulness. To me the whole Emma/Scott thing came out of left field, I didn't like the development but there's nothing I can do about it.