Let's Prove to Marvel that Cyclops is COOL

[Vanguard07]

better than that. More like a highly trained soldier who is engages in combat training and combat every single day.
Think about it guys. He was the original X-man. He's been running danger room simulations and going on x-men missions his entire life. He may be slim but he still engages in constant and intense physical activity and he's far more skilled and experienced than ANY average cop or soldier with a moderate interest in hand to hand combat.

I do have to admit that his hand to hand fighting skills are somewhat inconsistant but in terms of character and not storyline specifics they should be considerable.
He's not on the level of batman or anything. I wouldnt put him anywhere near the top ten of the marvel skill fighters but he's deffinitely not hurting for improvement.
The facts of it are he's an absolutely brilliant strategist/tactician, he's got a superhuman spacial sense, he's highly trained in at least two martial arts and he's got unbelievable amounts of highly intense combat experience.
All of those ARE considerable deciding factors on his hand to hand proficiency.

I'd also like to add that Cyclops and Batman arent all that similar. Batman is far and away better than Cyke in single combat (without powers). Bats has focused himself his entire life on being the ultimate crime fighter. He's also brilliant.
In terms of tactical abilities they're probably roughly equal but Cyke is deffinitely better at coordinating a team. He's easilly one of the best leaders in the marvel U. (Probably the second best just under Cap).

So not only is he dangerous on his own, not only could the guy level a city by looking at it but he's also backed by a collection of the most powerful individuals on the planet who are entirely loyal to him.
People look at Cyke's power and think it's some simple cheap thing thats no big deal. Usually these people are more influenced by the cartoon than the comics. And these people are wrong. Cyclops is Illuminati material. His leadership and influence make him one of the most potentially dangerous men alive.

 

[Silicon Surfer]

The master edition of the Handbook lists Scott as 6'3" and 195 pounds. His strength category is athlete which means that he can military press his own weight up to twice his weight so he is fairly strong. Under fighting skill it says "intensively trained in hand to hand combat". As of the time this was published this was Marvels statement on the subject. Have they published anything newer?

 

[Cypocalypse]

I've been a power rating fanatic for 10 years. I've monitored Cyke's power stats all these years and I have to say that it's pretty consistent unlike some of the other X-men members' stats.

Cyke's fighting ability has been a consistent 4 out of 7. That falls under the category of intensive training or something similar.

Some characters though have shown a drop in their ratings Gambit is now 3/7 but his ratings before was a consistent 5/7. Other characters who are not known to have undergone an intensive training are now kept in a conservative 3/7 rating.

Well, these days, I really don't care about the stats that much and I really don't care who beats who because every comic book writer knows that the writer is the ultimate determinant of who beats who in the comic books and they don't really care that much about power ratings.

I'm more concerned on Scott's character/idelogical evolution more than anyalyzing the characters that he can actually beat.

He's already beat the entire X-Men once. Any mature Cyke fan who knows about this need not brag about it. To be honest, I really don't like arguing with anyone who thinks that Cyke s*cks but hardly knows the character in the first place.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Translation: When it comes to hand to hand combat per se Cyke basically beats all the other Marvel guys who hasn't been on the same level of traning as he got (or aren't as committed), but against the well experienced, well trained fighters, he doesn't have a chance.

I guess that sums it up.

Yeah I'd side with that.

 

[aidol]

i wouldn't go as far as saying that he is really committed to hand to hand combat, because he focuses mainly on his optic blasts. Death strike, even though she is probably one of the best combat fighters, took him out without much of a fight.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

i wouldn't go as far as saying that he is really committed to hand to hand combat, because he focuses mainly on his optic blasts. Death strike, even though she is probably one of the best combat fighters, took him out without much of a fight.

Thats the movie not the comic. However the observation that he focuses on his optic blasts is quiet true. Even in the comics, suggesting he at least feels like resorting to hand to hand is not his best option. I've seen him blast an unarmed guard before to knock him unconscious...so it doesn't seem to matter what opponent he is facing either.

 

[Vanguard07]

Well to be fair would you use hand to hand when you could end it quickly with minimal risk to yourself?
It's just poor tactics to use hand to hand when you've got a safer more efficient method on hand.

 

[aidol]

which then proves my point that unless you use it you won't be as good at it! In this case hand to hand with cyclops.

 

[Damascus013]

And if you've read every comicbook cyke's in, there is only a 3% chance you would see him use his hand in combat. He is a fast thinker i give him that which makes him dangerous in every fight but as they said he tends to use his optic blast more often.
Writers often make him too stiff like a soldier rather than a man with a bunch of friends with him. (correct me if i'm wrong)

 

[MyPokerShirt]

which then proves my point that unless you use it you won't be as good at it! In this case hand to hand with cyclops.

if ur point is that cyclops isnt very good at hand to hand cos he doesnt use it then no, ur still wrong. heard of the Danger Room? or training. the far majority of encounters/ fights/ practise come through training, not field practise. its like saying a black belt in karate cudnt be that good at it if he decided to go round killing people with a gun.

 

[Varient]

they should merge these two,.. lots of good info.

 

[Vanguard07]

Personally I'd place Cyclops as pretty much equal with Frank Castle in terms of hand to hand.

Thoughts?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Personally I'd place Cyclops as pretty much equal with Frank Castle in terms of hand to hand.

Thoughts?

I sincerely doubt he is that good. He has mastered, to my knowledge, only two martial arts...only one according to official canonical reference books. He's good, but Frank has proven able to effectively go hand-to-hand with Spider-Man and DareDevil.

 

[Cypocalypse]

Someone has to read an issue of X-Men Unlimited, where Cyke beat 5 thugs, and he's blindfolded.

 

[fifthfiend]

I sincerely doubt he is that good. He has mastered, to my knowledge, only two martial arts...only one according to official canonical reference books. He's good, but Frank has proven able to effectively go hand-to-hand with Spider-Man and DareDevil.

Has that seriously happened?

And by 'seriously' I mean 'anywhere not written by Garth Ennis'.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Someone has to read an issue of X-Men Unlimited, where Cyke beat 5 thugs, and he's blindfolded.

It's posted in the Cyclops thread I created...so, yes, I've read the issue. In my opinion, it's out of continuity bullcrap considering the guy gets many things wrong, such as the fact that his hair isn't black and he most certainly never fakes being blind.

He's never been shown to be that accurate in hand to hand before, they pulled that entire issue out of their ass...and furthermore, I rarely see him avoid using his optic blasts entirely like that. He can control them well enough to cause minimal damage.

Making everyone super adept at fighting, to the point where they can blindly take on adversaries is a bit of cliche' comic ridiculousness. It's this chronic need to make everyone a ninja since Frank Miller revitalized Batman and DD back in the day. Cyclops doesn't need major hand to hand skills. He's been shown to be roughly good at akido/judo, but aside from that...nothing major at all.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Has that seriously happened?

And by 'seriously' I mean 'anywhere not written by Garth Ennis'.

His first appearances, for one, he outfought Spider-Man not once...but twice. One of his famous first panels shows him delivering a devestating kick to Spider-Man.

As for DareDevil...a couple of times. Once during Ann Nocenti's run they fought to a standstill. Once following. During Frank Miller's run Frank also proved very adept at fighting DareDevil.

He isn't as good as either, but he's good enough to go toe-to-toe and walk away...Cyclops isn't.

 

[Varient]

His first appearances, for one, he outfought Spider-Man not once...but twice. One of his famous first panels shows him delivering a devestating kick to Spider-Man.

As for DareDevil...a couple of times. Once during Ann Nocenti's run they fought to a standstill. Once following. During Frank Miller's run Frank also proved very adept at fighting DareDevil.

He isn't as good as either, but he's good enough to go toe-to-toe and walk away...Cyclops isn't.

(Raised Eyebrow)
Frank? "Out fought Spidey???"

I say the same thing I said about the Captain America / Spidey fight in Civil War,......

How can you outfight someone with Spidermans Powers???

 

[GL1]

Wow... this is an interesting thread...

The Comics over the years have, in several places, made it clear that Cyclops does not rely only on his optic blasts. Does he always hand to hand it? Even when it's an option? No... but it's pretty clear that he learned how to fight in the danger room and works as hard at that as he does at anything... which puts him UNDER Wolverine/Captain America/Daredevil/Iron Fist/Shang Chi in terms of fighting skill but equal or above just about everyone else.

What's so hard about that? Why do we have to say "He only knows two martial arts, he can't be that good..." Have you ever met someone who has mastered two martial arts? That's ownage, even in a comic book universe.

"Oh, that X-Men Unlimited is complete crap, Cyclops is mischaracterized, so therefore, we're throwing out the whole issue!" sounds fine, but with no arguement why Cyclops could not fight blind, it's like... eh... so? I'm sure SB's a great guy, but to compare stats with a career superhero and say "If I can't do it, he can't" is also pretty silly.

We all agree that Cyclops is a tactician first. Tacticians shore up their weaknesses, that includes, for Cyclops, in close fighting and, if losing your glasses makes you blind, blind-fighting. It'd be different if someone who does have an easy way to get blinded learned blind fighting, but Cyclops has constant impetus to be able to work without being able to see. Constant.

He LIVES at Xavier's mansion and trains constantly... you can't seriously think he runs around the danger room all day just shooting-shooting-shooting. That's not a tactician: that's an idiot.

The idea that Cyclops is just a simple point and click shooter is so rediculous, especially after all the evidence in this thread, I feel pretty silly even arguing against it.

better than that. More like a highly trained soldier who is engages in combat training and combat every single day.
Think about it guys. He was the original X-man. He's been running danger room simulations and going on x-men missions his entire life. He may be slim but he still engages in constant and intense physical activity and he's far more skilled and experienced than ANY average cop or soldier with a moderate interest in hand to hand combat.

I do have to admit that his hand to hand fighting skills are somewhat inconsistant but in terms of character and not storyline specifics they should be considerable.
He's not on the level of batman or anything. I wouldnt put him anywhere near the top ten of the marvel skill fighters but he's deffinitely not hurting for improvement.
The facts of it are he's an absolutely brilliant strategist/tactician, he's got a superhuman spacial sense, he's highly trained in at least two martial arts and he's got unbelievable amounts of highly intense combat experience.
All of those ARE considerable deciding factors on his hand to hand proficiency.

I'd also like to add that Cyclops and Batman arent all that similar. Batman is far and away better than Cyke in single combat (without powers). Bats has focused himself his entire life on being the ultimate crime fighter. He's also brilliant.
In terms of tactical abilities they're probably roughly equal but Cyke is deffinitely better at coordinating a team. He's easilly one of the best leaders in the marvel U. (Probably the second best just under Cap).

So not only is he dangerous on his own, not only could the guy level a city by looking at it but he's also backed by a collection of the most powerful individuals on the planet who are entirely loyal to him.
People look at Cyke's power and think it's some simple cheap thing thats no big deal. Usually these people are more influenced by the cartoon than the comics. And these people are wrong. Cyclops is Illuminati material. His leadership and influence make him one of the most potentially dangerous men alive.

BOOYAH. Stop sleeping on the man.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Wow... this is an interesting thread...

The Comics over the years have, in several places, made it clear that Cyclops does not rely only on his optic blasts. Does he always hand to hand it? Even when it's an option? No... but it's pretty clear that he learned how to fight in the danger room and works as hard at that as he does at anything... which puts him UNDER Wolverine/Captain America/Daredevil/Iron Fist/Shang Chi in terms of fighting skill but equal or above just about everyone else.

No . 1) Those guys are hardly the best Marvel has to offer in hand-to-hand. 2) Cyclops has never been shown to be able to take down the likes of the Punisher or any street type vigilante's without resorting to optic blasts.

What's so hard about that? Why do we have to say "He only knows two martial arts, he can't be that good..." Have you ever met someone who has mastered two martial arts? That's ownage, even in a comic book universe.

Ummmmm...again...no. Kitty Pryde (supposedly she's the best one on the X-Men), Jubilee, Gambit, Mary Freaking Jane, Iceman (who fought and knocked out a ninja...oh yes), Hawkeye, Archangel, Mantis, Hulk, Storm, Banshee, Dr.Doom, Dr.Strange (mastered every last one apparently), Mandarin, Iron Man, Psylock, Revanche, Fancy Dan, Cable, Cannonball....and so many others it's foolish to write it out, are listed as martial artists in the Marvel Universe. In fact, nearly every character, back in the eighties was given some sort of secret ninja training and lo and behold everyone comes out a martial artist. It's not special to know martial arts in the MU, that, in large part is why this comic is so ridiculous. Really? What next? Iceman, powerless, taking on a ninja one on one....oh wait, they did that

Having two black belts in the Marvel Universe is like having two hands, it means nothing anymore. Punisher has way more hand-to-hand experience. I know of at least five martial arts he's said to have mastered in the past.

"Oh, that X-Men Unlimited is complete crap, Cyclops is mischaracterized, so therefore, we're throwing out the whole issue!" sounds fine, but with no arguement why Cyclops could not fight blind, it's like... eh... so? I'm sure SB's a great guy, but to compare stats with a career superhero and say "If I can't do it, he can't" is also pretty silly.

Who said anything about me not be able to fight people . Fighting someone blind is incredibly hard, so much so, even DareDevil...who is legally blind...has been shown having trouble fighting without his super senses. In fact, most martial arts masters, ones with tenth degree black belts, couldn't fight someone blind. It's a ridiculous issue.

I liked what X2: X-Men United did...(except for writing him out for 2/3rds of the movie)...they had him be able to hand to hand fight and knock out a guard, but when faced with an actual martial artist who relied on theirs hands for combat...he fell quickly. That was a good portrayal of his abilities. He is like your average soldier. Knows enough to get out of a bar fight, not enough to get out of a fight against a skilled opponent (like the Punisher) and also doesn't know anything really major like fighting blind or one-touch punches and such.

We all agree that Cyclops is a tactician first. Tacticians shore up their weaknesses, that includes, for Cyclops, in close fighting and, if losing your glasses makes you blind, blind-fighting.

Losing his glasses doesn't make him blind . He's lost his visor before and never hesitated to use his powers. He has spacial awareness in regards to his powers, meaning one small shot and everyone of those punks would've been sleepy-bye on the ground.

It'd be different if someone who does have an easy way to get blinded learned blind fighting, but Cyclops has constant impetus to be able to work without being able to see. Constant.

No he doesn't. No really, he doesn't. That guy was WAAAY off on his character, Cyclops never fakes blind....never.

He LIVES at Xavier's mansion and trains constantly... you can't seriously think he runs around the danger room all day just shooting-shooting-shooting. That's not a tactician: that's an idiot.

Apparently he's so smart he gives himself a huge handicap fighting a group of easily dispatched thugs

The idea that Cyclops is just a simple point and click shooter is so rediculous,

Do you know why akido/judo was chosen as Cyclops martial art...because it keeps opponents at a distance...ya'know so he can shoot them with his optic blasts.

That whole issue comes from this line of logic
"You like Cyclops"
"Yeah, he's my favorite"
"You like ninja's"
"Yeah....uhhh...they are pretty cool"
"Well we're gonna make Cyclops a ninja...how cool is that".

Totally not cool. It's so stupid, in fact, it makes my brain hurt and my eyes roll.

especially after all the evidence

All the evidence . His biggest show of skill was in that ONE fight in X-Men Unlimited, which is dubious at best in terms of continuity. Otherwise, over the years Cyclops use of hand to hand has been very limited. He once fought a dazed Wolverine to the ground, but used his optic blasts on him twice in the fight. He once pinched a nerve of Kitty Pryde's neck to cause her to pass out. I don't think I've ever seen him strictly fight a group hand to hand aside from that fight...unless you count blind sword fighting that monster in his mini...but he ended up having to use his blasts in that fight too.

I feel pretty silly even arguing against it.

Go check MY thread, ya know the one with 200+ pages of Cyclops action and see how much hand-to-hand he engages in....I'll give you a hint, not much.

Cyclops is MY FAVORITE character, it is ******ED when they make him a ninja...Frankly, I'm glad Morrison and Whedon have both shown Cyclops resorting to guns and or getting beaten in hand to hand combat. It's good because it stops this whole obsession with making a character great at EVERYTHING. He doesn't need to be a great martial artist, and rarely, if ever is he portrayed that way...thankfully.

 

[Varient]

Meh.
Cyclops can fight.

I have yet to see him fight Frank Castle, Daredevil, Captain America, or anyone who's primary skill set is hand to hand.

But I wouldn't wimp him out like I'm reading here.

It is totally in the realm of believability that he could defend himself while blind,.. since most martial arts only require you to know what you are grabbing, punching or stomping on.


I once read him fight wolverine hand to hand w/o powers and do a better job than the first time Spideman fought Wolverine,... as in "he kept his opponent off balance"

 

[Jennifer Walters]

For some reason I can see a Cyclops solo series happening after Messiah Complex.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Meh.
Cyclops can fight.

I have yet to see him fight Frank Castle, Daredevil, Captain America, or anyone who's primary skill set is hand to hand.

But I wouldn't wimp him out like I'm reading here.

It is totally in the realm of believability that he could defend himself while blind,.. since most martial arts only require you to know what you are grabbing, punching or stomping on.

You're oversimplifying things. Fighting someone blind is no small feat. 'Blind masters' who show the skill shown in that issue are stuff of legends. I've fought guys with sand in my eyes, and it's a decidedly different style of fighting. You grab them and hit them repeatedly until they stop moving. You don't kick, stand and fight while telegraphing your steps to the right and left.

That comic was ******ed, it was poorly written and reflects a cliche' in comics: when you can't write anything interesting show a character doing some amazing ninja skillz. There is nothing in the entirity of Cyclops character history to say he could fight anywhere close to that level. His fights always included some sort of use of his powers, even against unarmed guards and street level gang members.

I once read him fight wolverine hand to hand w/o powers and do a better job than the first time Spideman fought Wolverine,... as in "he kept his opponent off balance"

It was during the Proteus Saga, back during the Claremont/Bryne run. Wolverine was noteably less skilled back then, however, Cyclops again USED his powers as his primary offensive weapon in that fight. His hand to hand moves simply kept Wolverine at arms length long enough to peg him, Nightcrawler and Storm with some well placed blasts.

No doubt, Cyclops CAN fight, but he fights using his powers primarily, not his fists. He is not a Ninja, he is not a guy who is shown training endlessly in martial arts like Batman or Punisher, he is not a guy who references at all any particular affinity or dedication to martial arts, he hardly ever uses martial arts in combat. The notion that he, or any of these non street heroes, can pull martial arts out of their ass is pretty much the height of ridiculousness in comics.

 

[GL1]

No . 1) Those guys are hardly the best Marvel has to offer in hand-to-hand. 2) Cyclops has never been shown to be able to take down the likes of the Punisher or any street type vigilante's without resorting to optic blasts.

Hmmm... so the question is not that he's not a capable fighter, but rather exactly where he falls? Well yeah, Cyclops doesn't fight, so it's pretty hard to say exactly where he does fall since he doesn't rely on his documented fighting skill, as paltry as they may be in comparison to... whoever is the best in the MU.

Ummmmm...again...no. Kitty Pryde (supposedly she's the best one on the X-Men), Jubilee, Gambit, Mary Freaking Jane, Iceman (who fought and knocked out a ninja...oh yes), Hawkeye, Archangel, Mantis, Hulk, Storm, Banshee, Dr.Doom, Dr.Strange (mastered every last one apparently), Mandarin, Iron Man, Psylock, Revanche, Fancy Dan, Cable, Cannonball....and so many others it's foolish to write it out, are listed as martial artists in the Marvel Universe. In fact, nearly every character, back in the eighties was given some sort of secret ninja training and lo and behold everyone comes out a martial artist. It's not special to know martial arts in the MU, that, in large part is why this comic is so ridiculous. Really? What next? Iceman, powerless, taking on a ninja one on one....oh wait, they did that

Having two black belts in the Marvel Universe is like having two hands, it means nothing anymore. Punisher has way more hand-to-hand experience. I know of at least five martial arts he's said to have mastered in the past.

Fair enough, but certain characters in that list, specifically Hawkeye, Psylocke, Gambit and Cyclops, I would find it rediculous if they DIDN'T have some sort of martial arts skills, just based on their character and situation. Just because it's been overdone doesn't mean it shouldn't be done in certain cases.

Who said anything about me not be able to fight people . Fighting someone blind is incredibly hard, so much so, even DareDevil...who is legally blind...has been shown having trouble fighting without his super senses. In fact, most martial arts masters, ones with tenth degree black belts, couldn't fight someone blind. It's a ridiculous issue.

I understand that, but to me, it seems within Cyclops' character to practice blind fighting... enough to take on some street toughs. I don't know why Daredevil would practice blind fighting, he has no reason to anticipate losing his powers, nor is an OCD tactician.

I liked what X2: X-Men United did...(except for writing him out for 2/3rds of the movie)...they had him be able to hand to hand fight and knock out a guard, but when faced with an actual martial artist who relied on theirs hands for combat...he fell quickly. That was a good portrayal of his abilities. He is like your average soldier. Knows enough to get out of a bar fight, not enough to get out of a fight against a skilled opponent (like the Punisher) and also doesn't know anything really major like fighting blind or one-touch punches and such.

I liked that scene as well, but I interpreted it as Cyclops being a practiced fighter, simply not a professional, which is why Ninjas can take him out and security guards can't touch him.

Losing his glasses doesn't make him blind . He's lost his visor before and never hesitated to use his powers. He has spacial awareness in regards to his powers, meaning one small shot and everyone of those punks would've been sleepy-bye on the ground.

It doesn't make him blind, but usually when Cyclops loses his goggles, unless he's in an open rural area, he keeps his eyes closed. He hesitates to use his powers all the time, otherwise, there would be no X-Men fights, just big red panels on page three followed by fifteen pages of ads. Maybe I've seen too many episodes of the cartoons and movies, but where I live, Cyclops keeps his eyes closed when he loses his visor.

No he doesn't. No really, he doesn't. That guy was WAAAY off on his character, Cyclops never fakes blind....never.

True. But, he does force himself to be blind rather than obliterate innocent bystanders.

Apparently he's so smart he gives himself a huge handicap fighting a group of easily dispatched thugs

Well, it was my understanding that Cyclops cannot control the intensity of his blasts without his visor, meaning, he can either fight them blind or open his eyes and wipe them mercilessly out of existance... no 'gentle K-O' either kill them outright or stay blinded, those were, as far as I can manage his only two choices....

No that's not true... he could have let a blast out into the air to let them know who they were messing with, but... I guess that would have been too easy.

Do you know why akido/judo was chosen as Cyclops martial art...because it keeps opponents at a distance...ya'know so he can shoot them with his optic blasts.

I'm not saying that shooting isn't his priority and strength, I agree that his whole combat angle revolves around his ability... I'm simply saying that he has other exceptional skills as well.

It just struck me... would spatial awareness help a blind fighter? That would lend a great deal of credibility to the fight in question.

That whole issue comes from this line of logic
"You like Cyclops"
"Yeah, he's my favorite"
"You like ninja's"
"Yeah....uhhh...they are pretty cool"
"Well we're gonna make Cyclops a ninja...how cool is that".

Totally not cool. It's so stupid, in fact, it makes my brain hurt and my eyes roll.

As it should. But barring that line of logic... what else does Cyclops do all day... how does he round out the weaknesses without resorting to getting some hand to hand fighting skill... and IF he does get some, wouldn't he attack it with the same perfectionist vigor he does everything else? Or is Cyclops simply too busy/distracted/disinterested to bother shoring up his weaknesses as a combatant?

All the evidence . His biggest show of skill was in that ONE fight in X-Men Unlimited, which is dubious at best in terms of continuity. Otherwise, over the years Cyclops use of hand to hand has been very limited. He once fought a dazed Wolverine to the ground, but used his optic blasts on him twice in the fight. He once pinched a nerve of Kitty Pryde's neck to cause her to pass out. I don't think I've ever seen him strictly fight a group hand to hand aside from that fight...unless you count blind sword fighting that monster in his mini...but he ended up having to use his blasts in that fight too.

Go check MY thread, ya know the one with 200+ pages of Cyclops action and see how much hand-to-hand he engages in....I'll give you a hint, not much.

No one's arguing that he doesn't rely on his optic blasts. I'm simply saying that he uses a impressive measure of martial arts skills to round things out, as demonstrated in all those panels where he's not shooting an optic blast as he takes on his teammates.

Cyclops is MY FAVORITE character, it is ******ED when they make him a ninja...Frankly, I'm glad Morrison and Whedon have both shown Cyclops resorting to guns and or getting beaten in hand to hand combat. It's good because it stops this whole obsession with making a character great at EVERYTHING. He doesn't need to be a great martial artist, and rarely, if ever is he portrayed that way...thankfully.

Hmmm... interesting. I see Cyclops as being primarily good at two things: Optic Blasting and Tactics. That's it. Adding a moderate level of Martial arts doesn't strike me as overpowering in any way whatsoever, and I see a great deal of things which he's not good at, in addition to how limited his power is.

I suppose if the Marvel Universe wasn't filled with so much raw power everywhere you turn I would be a bit more resistant to making Cyclops a more-than-an-average-soldier level fighter... but knowing where we are... it just doesn't bother me at all... in fact, knowing the character, it makes a whole lot of sense...

Cyclops is my favorite character too... well... at least Marvel-wise.

 

[Steve Rogers]

I didn't realize that Marvel thought Cyclops was uncool. He wouldn't have been around for 40 years if they didn't think so. I'm confused.