Sequels Lex Corp

The Overlord said:
In the pre crisis universe all Lex did when being a public villain is end up in jail. Now who seems more intelligent to you, the Lex who contolled a major corporate empire and had influence around the world or the Lex ended by sharing a cell with Bubbha the love sponge?
And herein lies the problem. You are wrongfully assuming that I prefer PreCrisis Lex to Post Crisis Lex when both of them in fact are hugely flawed but in different ways. I've listed both of them time and again. For a film something new needs to be done, but the basics of Lex's Character needs to stay the same.

As for PreCrisis Lex not being smart, I think once again that you are embellishing heavily. PreCrisis Lex was a Deus Ex Machina in many of those stories. Seeing as how he was able to sometimes incapacitate Superman (an overpowered one at that) is very telling. But very inconsistent writing and one of PreCrisis Lex's major flaws.
 
Kroc1138 said:
And herein lies the problem. You are wrongfully assuming that I prefer PreCrisis Lex to Post Crisis Lex when both of them in fact are hugely flawed but in different ways. I've listed both of them time and again. For a film something new needs to be done, but the basics of Lex's Character needs to stay the same.

As for PreCrisis Lex not being smart, I think once again that you are embellishing heavily. PreCrisis Lex was a Deus Ex Machina in many of those stories. Seeing as how he was able to sometimes incapacitate Superman (an overpowered one at that) is very telling. But very inconsistent writing and one of PreCrisis Lex's major flaws.

Well what do you want, you want a Lex that is willing to fight Superman in public, but not end up in jail after Superman defeats him? How would that be possible? What should he rip off Dr. Doom and get his own country?

Pre crisis Lex was inventive, he was able to make plot devices at the drop of a hat, but had no planning skills what so ever, he was just a plot device factory, he had no good motive and wasn't that interesting. He was as deep as Dick Distardly.
 
The Overlord said:
Well what do you want, you want a Lex that is willing to fight Superman in public, but not end up in jail after Superman defeats him? How would that be possible? What should he rip off Dr. Doom and get his own country?
I know that I don't want a rehashing of ideas. Putting in Post Crisis Lex into a movie would lead to rehashing as far as what many Post Crisis Fans are concerned. Everybody who wants him in a film want to tack on a Villain he can manipulate, especially dull one Dimensional Villains like Metallo. If that what The Superman Movies are reduced to then I'm not watching. I hate Rehashes. The fact is something new needs to be tried. I think Donner's Film when in the right Direction by keeping with Lex being a criminal who wishes to to Challenge a God-like being. It wasn't perfect, but we got a Proactive Lex. Unfortunately the sequels Screwed everything up. (Save Superman 2) He wasn't a mad scientist with contrived means of Fighting Superman. At the same time he wasn't broody secondary character who does little to deal with Superman.

Pre crisis Lex was inventive, he was able to make plot devices at the drop of a hat, but had no planning skills what so ever, he was just a plot device factory, he had no good motive and wasn't that interesting. He was as deep as Dick Distardly.
Who's debating PreCrisis Lex now. He was Flawed. So is Post Crisis Lex. Neither as they were would work well in a movie.
 
Kroc1138 said:
I know that I don't want a rehashing of ideas. Putting in Post Crisis Lex into a movie would lead to rehashing as far as what many Post Crisis Fans are concerned. Everybody who wants him in a film want to tack on a Villain he can manipulate, especially dull one Dimensional Villains like Metallo. If that what The Superman Movies are reduced to then I'm not watching. I hate Rehashes. The fact is something new needs to be tried. I think Donner's Film when in the right Direction by keeping with Lex being a criminal who wishes to to Challenge a God-like being. It wasn't perfect, but we got a Proactive Lex. Unfortunately the sequels Screwed everything up. (Save Superman 2) He wasn't a mad scientist with contrived means of Fighting Superman. At the same time he wasn't broody secondary character who does little to deal with Superman.

Who's debating PreCrisis Lex now. He was Flawed. So is Post Crisis Lex. Neither as they were would work well in a movie.

SR is just a rehash of Superman I and frankly I don't see how Lex's obession with real estate is that great a motive either. Movie Lex is as idiot, he always ends up in jail or on an island or somethings, he has never achieved any real victory, he never learns from his mistakes (assuming kryptonite will kill Superman and no will rescue him, despite the fact that happened in the first movie, he still hire idiot henchman, instead of professional mercs and still dates bimbos who have a change of heart and later turn on him). Movie Lex is one of the crappiest versions of Lex I have ever seen.
 
I think LexCorp is a possibility. Anyone going to comic-con and is able to ask Singer a question, please, please ask:

"What is Lex going to do with the Vanderworth fortune?"

Note of interest: Gertrude's husband was a widely known business man whose corporation was a high point of Metropolis and the Daily Planet!!!
 
i think the whole swindling angle takes so much away from lex. he's a super-genius, but this movie makes him an babbling psycho. i agree this film is requel(a remake/sequel) there really isn't anything original, but it is the best superman movie to date(which isn't saying much).
 
Do you people seriously want businessman Lex? The boring character who doesn't do anything but look mean while sitting behind a chair?

First of all, the whole "I am untouchable because I own the city" was overdone way back in the 80's, and it failed miserably in Fantastic Four. I'm sorry, but Superman isn't Robocop or Batman. He doesn't fight businessman with iffy morals.

I prefer a Lex that actually does things, a Lex that would stab Superman with a kryptonite knife himself. Not boring post-crisis Lex who would hire someone to do that for him.

I don't think you people deserve to watch movies, I swear. You obviously don't know what makes good characters, good characters.
 
Jakomus said:
Do you people seriously want businessman Lex? The boring character who doesn't do anything but look mean while sitting behind a chair?

First of all, the whole "I am untouchable because I own the city" was overdone way back in the 80's, and it failed miserably in Fantastic Four. I'm sorry, but Superman isn't Robocop or Batman. He doesn't fight businessman with iffy morals.

I prefer a Lex that actually does things, a Lex that would stab Superman with a kryptonite knife himself. Not boring post-crisis Lex who would hire someone to do that for him.

I don't think you people deserve to watch movies, I swear. You obviously don't know what makes good characters, good characters.
Way to be needlessly insulting to anyone whose opinion differs from yours. :rolleyes: :down
 
making lex untouchable would've added another dynamic to the story. i would've wanted him to be a presidential candidate. i've said this already though...
 
You say you dont want a rehash then you praise SR for being a rehash, do possibly suffer from scitzophreania?
 
Spike_x1 said:
Way to be needlessly insulting to anyone whose opinion differs from yours. :rolleyes: :down
I'm refering to the people who think a Superman origin story should have the plot from Robocop.
 
I can see Braniac come down from space and give Lex "powers". Lexiac anyone? Just like the Superman Flyby Script allowing Lex to use this intelligence to break into computers and stuff
 
Spike_x1 said:
It would depend entirely on how the role is written and played out.There's no way people would've paid money to live on that island after it (hypothetically) killed billions of people. Living on New Krypton would be like living on the graves of all the people who died. No one would be so indecent as to live on that rock, no matter what shine Lex puts on it to try and attract customers.

Wait... they would have a choice? Stay on their overstuffed landmasses? Die from diseases of overcrowding and poverty? No, I think there'd be a good billion people who bit the bullet and betrayed their morals so their families could survive.

And about the lack of defensive measures on NK, if Lex could create kryptonian weaponry, why wasn't that the first thing he did? One would think that defences would be a top priority and Lex would want to have them set up in advance. Thank God the military was mysteriously absent from the climax of SR. If Lex could defend himself, it's crazy that he decided not to.

He hadn't done anything yet, I thought that was clear. Lex was sitting there planning out exactly how to use his six crystals and then the ground started shaking. Lex was probably going to get some defenses up, but there was no rush, and then it was suddenly too late. Set them up in advance for what? The military who have NO idea what's going on? All the military could POSSIBLY know is that a big island just showed up out of nowhere. And Lex had the man and firepower to take out a small search/exploration team if they stumbled upon his helicopter.

Again, there was no reason for Lex to have defenses up at the time. There were no, ZERO immediate threats and no candidates to be threats. Except Superman, who should have been dead. The only dumb thing Lex did was NOT stab Superman into a wall with a kryptonite rod and WATCH him take his last breath, though to be honest, he shouldn't have known that Richard and Lois were alive.

Post-Crisis Lex doesn't kill on the scale that SR Lex was planning to do, and he doesn't make it public like SR's Lex was going to do, either.Lex was going to open New Krypton for business, making it obvious that he was responsible for the sinking of the East Coast. If someone then decided to walk up to him with a hand gun and shoot him to avenge all of those lost, shutting off electronics wouldn't save Lex at all.

It's still business, no matter how many people die. (See any Tobacco Company). You assume because he did not have Kryptonian weaponry built the day that he grew NK, that he would not have any when he opened up for business. There's no reason to say that Lex would not have Kryptonian tech before he opened up for business. I don't know why you think he's that stupid. You're not that stupid, I'm not that stupid, why should Lex be?

In the FOS, when he said "tell me everything" and Kitty later said that they spent weeks (I think it was weeks) at the Fortress while Lex studied, he had to have been learning something other than the fact that the tech grows in water and incorporates minerals into it. By asking Jor-el to tell him everything, it's implied that Lex learned everything.

Regardless of what he learned/knows, he didn't really do much that was actually scientific. He wasn't much of a scientist, regardless of how much he knew.

This is your opinion and you're entitled to it. Personally, it's my opinion that DC Comics already has their fair share of evil scientists and they don't need another. Businessman Lex was something more. He was the guy who manipulated the mad scientists and turned their creations against them while using them to battle Superman, and then came out smelling like a rose in the public's eye. And Superman was helpless to stop him. With Pre-Crisis Lex, Superman could just punch him out and throw him in jail.

Hmm... businessman Lex is passive, he doesn't get his hands dirty. That means he can't be the main one in a conflict with Superman. Post-Crisis Lex can't get in Supe's face and stab him with Kryptonite and tell him to fly, because Post-C lex has to stay clean. He can't be as intimately intertwined with the story and he must fight Superman by proxy, leaving the story with less weight.

A more aggressive Lex, such as the one in SR (who I beleive was as much post as pre crisis), can get dirty, and thus have direct confrontation with Supe outside of terse statements in his office.

FURTHERmore, the SR concluded, Lex has no options but to become businessman Lex. He has no kryptonian tech, probably only a small bit of kryptonite if any. He has money and he's FORCED to act based on those tools. Businessman Lex, like True Dr. Doom, is born at the end of the movie. So not only do fans get to see Lex Luthor go head to head with Superman one last time, but those who beleive Lex should be a background character will get just that in all subsequent sequels.

I'm happy... why aren't you? :)
 
The Overlord said:
SR is just a rehash of Superman I and frankly I don't see how Lex's obession with real estate is that great a motive either. Movie Lex is as idiot, he always ends up in jail or on an island or somethings, he has never achieved any real victory, he never learns from his mistakes (assuming kryptonite will kill Superman and no will rescue him, despite the fact that happened in the first movie, he still hire idiot henchman, instead of professional mercs and still dates bimbos who have a change of heart and later turn on him). Movie Lex is one of the crappiest versions of Lex I have ever seen.
Well it isn't perfect. However in Superman the Movie I thought it was better handled than Returns. Lex was alread putting his scheme into motion and then Superman came along. He just went ahead with it and at the same time tried to guage his soon to be archnemesis abilities.
What should have happened in a sequel is that Lex should have tried to learn more about Superman (his secret identity) and figure other ways to exploit his weaknesses.Second he should lay Low.

The Truth about Corporate Lex is that he never remains Corporate for any long period of time because he gets left in the sidelines as a Villain. (and is Ultimately redered irrelavent) To me that wouldn't work in a movie. Lex no matter what era, needs to be a Villain with a presence as a Villain. If not then he's a broody supporting character.
 
Kroc1138 said:
Well it isn't perfect. However in Superman the Movie I thought it was better handled than Returns. Lex was alread putting his scheme into motion and then Superman came along. He just went ahead with it and at the same time tried to guage his soon to be archnemesis abilities.
What should have happened in a sequel is that Lex should have tried to learn more about Superman (his secret identity) and figure other ways to exploit his weaknesses.Second he should lay Low.

The Truth about Corporate Lex is that he never remains Corporate for any long period of time because he gets left in the sidelines as a Villain. (and is Ultimately redered irrelavent) To me that wouldn't work in a movie. Lex no matter what era, needs to be a Villain with a presence as a Villain. If not then he's a broody supporting character.

i'm sorry but Lex's plan in the 1978 movie was stupid (I'm willing to forgive that because the movie was made in 1978). Didn't Lex realize that the police would investigate who had the most to gain from the destruction of California and shut down his stupid real estate scam before he could make any money on it. I mean he clearly didn't do any research on his employees, something a Wal-Mart manager would do Why did Lex fire the distraction nuke at new Jersey if he knew Ms. Teschmacher mother lived there, he could have fired it somewhere else and then perhaps Ms. Teschmacher wouldn't have saved Superman. Also why lex just leave Superman in that pool to die, didn't have him killed before his eyes. I'm sorry but movie Lex is an idiot, at least Post crisis Lex can develope a scheme that isn't totally ******ed.

Besides I see post crisis Lex as a general, instead of a brooding man. He creates various enemies for Superman to fight, secretly directing them into battle, creating schemes that can't foiled with mere brute force, superman has to use his brain to fight Lex, that's far more interesting than a bad real estate scam.
 
I think Lex may well be in the background in the sequel now what he could be doing in the background is building Lexcorp but given that he has been in jail due to using the Donner continuity i doubt we'll see it
 
The Overlord said:
i'm sorry but Lex's plan in the 1978 movie was stupid (I'm willing to forgive that because the movie was made in 1978). Didn't Lex realize that the police would investigate who had the most to gain from the destruction of California and shut down his stupid real estate scam before he could make any money on it.
Problem 1: Where are they going to start looking?? For starters all they know is that a wayward Nuke accidently hit the San Andreas and caused a major Earthquake. Explain how that leads directly to Lex? (esp: since the military would want to keep their missile fiasco a secret)
Problem 2: The person who was buying up all the "useless" land was some "faceless, nameless guy". How would that lead to Lex if they don't even know who is buying the land.

I mean he clearly didn't do any research on his employees, something a Wal-Mart manager would do
You'd be suprised how much employers don't know about their prospects
Why did Lex fire the distraction nuke at new Jersey if he knew Ms. Teschmacher mother lived there,
Problem 3: He didn't know until she told him and from that point he didn't really give a damn. Part of Luthor's flaw is that he relied on Loyalty. Second you are looking at from hindsight. Luthor inspite of his intelligence didn't have that working for him.

he could have fired it somewhere else and then perhaps Ms. Teschmacher wouldn't have saved Superman.
You do know that the objective of writing a Superhero movie is to have the bad-guys lose in the end. With all of the hindsight that we the audience has, we can pick apart every single villain's plans for eternity and nitpick every screw up. That goes for every movie/comic/novel/etc. that just the way it is.

Also why lex just leave Superman in that pool to die, didn't have him killed before his eyes.
Why would he need to? He had Kryptonite. Plus, he had Superman in a pool, drowning. You are still looking at it with Hindsight!! Plus the reason Superman won in the end was b/c he turned back time. Something Lex couldn't possibly anticipate. For the most part Lex's plan could have worked if he didn't challenge Superman at all. (his overconfidence was his flaw)

I'm sorry but movie Lex is an idiot, at least Post crisis Lex can develope a scheme that isn't totally ******ed.
I'd beg to differ. I'm sorry but a tycoon who for some reason uses his companies recources to go after Superman is far from intelligent, any competent criminal investigator (Private or otherwise) could see that Luthor is up to something. Tycoon Lex is as full of holes as any Villain. The only scheme that I can say was truly efficient was faking his death.

Besides I see post crisis Lex as a general, instead of a brooding man. He creates various enemies for Superman to fight, secretly directing them into battle, creating schemes that can't foiled with mere brute force, superman has to use his brain to fight Lex, that's far more interesting than a bad real estate scam.
Ok how the Hell is that so cerebral? There are soo many problems with that scenario, but I'll ask you how specifically: How is it going to work on the Big screen.
 

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