Logan vs. The Dark Knight

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

This is a really, really tough decision for me, I absolutely loved Logan, it's the best CBM for some time for me. Probably since TDK. But TDK is still a masterpiece to this day, almost 10 years later it's still considered by many the best CBM ever. So part wants to wait and see how Oogab fairs in the years from now before voting.

At the moment it's probably TDK. Ledger is better than all of the villains put together in Logan. However, at the same time I thought Patrick and Dafne were better supporting characters than the ones in TDK. I felt TDK nailed its finale more overall though. As I said, really tough decision. But TDK would just shade it for now.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Which ones? Logan is in my top 4 with Scott Pilgrim, TDK, and Begins.

At this moment, at least Deadpool, Guardians, Winter Soldier, Begins, TWS... Even TDKR felt a lot more exciting and fulfilling.

But I want to give the film another chance on home media. I really wanted to love it, it was perhaps my number one most anticipated CBM this year. Feels bad when everyone's loving it and I'm sitting in frustration.

 

[Mjölnir]

I pick Logan, much because the protagonists are much more compelling for me compared to the ones in TDK. I think I enjoy all three of Logan, Charles and Laura more than the characters in TDK.

The Joker is of course a much better villain than anything in Logan, but these days I always get bothered by some issues with the writing of the Joker, so it's mainly the performance that really makes it top notch for me. That makes the villain situation a lesser factor than the protagonist issue above, plus that I've unfortunately always disliked Two-Face in this movie.

My opinion might of course change since Logan is new and TDK has not held up that well for me, so the same might of course happen with Logan. Right now Logan is the best "serious/gritty" superhero movie for me though. The things that beat it for me are the more upbeat, big action stuff because I think that is what the superhero genre does better than comparable movies. When it comes to gritty drama the genre doesn't hold up quite as well against other such movies, although it's still helped by that I'm a superhero fan of course.

 

[Ipodman]

Logan easily. TDK is boring at many parts.

 

[Zen Machine]

I appreciate Logan for what it tried to be...or not to be. It was a very personal and intimate movie that managed to feel different and a lot more mature than most CB movies, which is something i like. The characterizations and interactions were great, the action was cool too. Overall, a pretty solid movie. That being said, i didn't find it spectacular. The storyline, even though fresh to superhero movies, is something i've seen countless times in other genres. The movie was very predictable, lacked really epic and memorable elements and halfway through just loses a big chunk of its steam. The plot is paper thin and not that interesting when you find out pretty much everything that's going to happe, which doesn't take long. Still a very good movie, just not the masterpiece i was expecting. I actually think the critics have it right, with a 7.8/10 rating. The audiences exaggerate a little bit though. IMHO.

The Dark Knight is just superior on pretty much every level. Much more interesting plot, better villain, better performances, better cinematography, better soundtrack and just overall more memorable moments.

 

[Batmannerism]

This is a really, really tough decision for me, I absolutely loved Logan, it's the best CBM for some time for me. Probably since TDK. But TDK is still a masterpiece to this day, almost 10 years later it's still considered by many the best CBM ever. So part wants to wait and see how Oogab fairs in the years from now before voting.

At the moment it's probably TDK. Ledger is better than all of the villains put together in Logan. However, at the same time I thought Patrick and Dafne were better supporting characters than the ones in TDK. I felt TDK nailed its finale more overall though. As I said, really tough decision. But TDK would just shade it for now.

For me that's the clincher. The first two acts of Logan were pure gold, but the ending just falls a bit flat - as if Mangold really wanted to leave the audience deflated.

Movies where the hero dies at the end can end on an uplifting note e.g. Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, V for Vendetta, Thelma and Louise the list goes on.

I really feel that Mangold needed to let the audience get a little more emotional payoff out of Logan's demise, but in keeping with the minimalist and heart-wrenching tone of the film.....he doesn't.

Otherwise, the films are very closely matched - I'm genuinely surprised at folks who think Logan is overrated, sure I respect your opinion, but wow, that's a pretty tough standard for cbms, you must be disappointed a lot.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

For me that's the clincher. The first two acts of Logan were pure gold, but the ending just falls a bit flat - as if Mangold really wanted to leave the audience deflated.

Movies where the hero dies at the end can end on an uplifting note e.g. Gladiator, Saving Private Ryan, Braveheart, V for Vendetta, Thelma and Louise the list goes on.

I really feel that Mangold needed to let the audience get a little more emotional payoff out of Logan's demise, but in keeping with the minimalist and heart-wrenching tone of the film.....he doesn't.

Otherwise, the films are very closely matched - I'm genuinely surprised at folks who think Logan is overrated, sure I respect your opinion, but wow, that's a pretty tough standard for cbms, you must be disappointed a lot.

See, i actually don't include Logan's death in that sentence, as I felt that part was done really well. He was dying anyway, and at the start of the movie his plan was to blow his own brains out once Charles died. But instead by the end, he found something actually worth dying for rather than killing himself for no reason at all. So while the ending was sad, i do find it uplifting as rather than dying in some nonsensical way, the kids, and especially Laura escaping over the broader means Logan left a legacy and died for a greater good. It was the build up to that death though that i thought was a little bit of a let down.

TDK though just got all of its finale spot on, which puts it just ahead for me at the moment.

 

[Tony Stark]

Really tired of these polls, but I'd say TDK for the mere fact that it was a cultural even rather than just a very good movie that came out. Logan is more similar in tone to TDK, but as far as being an event film only Avengers compares on that level. Still Logan is an excellent excellent film.

 

[Boom]

The Dark Knight.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

This decision isn't hard for me

The Dark Knight > Logan > The Dark Knight Rises

Logan vs Batman Begins is the tough one.

 

[JackWhite]

TDK, but I love me some Logan.

This.

I really wish Logan had a stronger villain.

 

[Batmannerism]

See, i actually don't include Logan's death in that sentence, as I felt that part was done really well. He was dying anyway, and at the start of the movie his plan was to blow his own brains out once Charles died. But instead by the end, he found something actually worth dying for rather than killing himself for no reason at all. So while the ending was sad, i do find it uplifting as rather than dying in some nonsensical way, the kids, and especially Laura escaping over the broader means Logan left a legacy and died for a greater good. It was the build up to that death though that i thought was a little bit of a let down.

TDK though just got all of its finale spot on, which puts it just ahead for me at the moment.

Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Logan dying, you're right that he was dying from the start of the film - and yeah, he did die in a noble cause, but he has to literally wait until he's seconds from death to drop the wall of crap that he keeps up to keep other people at a distance - one of the things
I've never liked about Logan is that he almost seems to wallow in self-pity
about all the stuff that's wrong with his life. But in this film there's more to him, his pain is real and believable, which is why I believe it's the best portrayal of Wolverine.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Logan dying, you're right that he was dying from the start of the film - and yeah, he did die in a noble cause, but he has to literally wait until he's seconds from death to drop the wall of crap that he keeps up to keep other people at a distance - one of the things
I've never liked about Logan is that he almost seems to wallow in self-pity
about all the stuff that's wrong with his life. But in this film there's more to him, his pain is real and believable, which is why I believe it's the best portrayal of Wolverine.

Wallowing in self-pity with a tough exterior is pretty much Batman's thing as well. He's always about being so tormented, yet he's had a great life compared to a ton of other superheroes. Of course it's tough seeing his parents killed, but then he still lived with a loving father figure in extreme wealth and opportunities to do whatever he wanted in life. I'd say Logan is more believably messed up mentally.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Wallowing in self-pity with a tough exterior is pretty much Batman's thing as well. He's always about being so tormented, yet he's had a great life compared to a ton of other superheroes. Of course it's tough seeing his parents killed, but then he still lived with a loving father figure in extreme wealth and opportunities to do whatever he wanted in life. I'd say Logan is more believably messed up mentally.

Yeah i would agree with this. Logan is what, 300 years old by the time he dies? He has lost a lot of people and seen some bad things during his long life. Not to mention some bad things happening to him and him losing his memories. So for me it's justifiable that Logan wallows in self pity.

Remember Xavier's reaction when he read Logan's mind in DOFP? That sums it up

 

[Mjölnir]

I agree that Logan fits very well as a sad character. He's endured tons of bad things in his life, all from just seeing people around him grow old and die to being subjected to torturous experiments. Even with lost memories they can still mess him up subconsciously.

Sure, he's had good times in his life. Not least with the X-men, but he's still always been broken inside to some extent and his final movie was a great rounding off for all of that. Even though I might have liked even more to see some closure with Sabertooth and so on it delivered on his own character.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I agree that Logan fits very well as a sad character. He's endured tons of bad things in his life, all from just seeing people around him grow old and die to being subjected to torturous experiments. Even with lost memories they can still mess him up subconsciously.

Sure, he's had good times in his life. Not least with the X-men, but he's still always been broken inside to some extent and his final movie was a great rounding off for all of that. Even though I might have liked even more to see some closure with Sabertooth and so on it delivered on his own character.

We agree once again, this...........feels wrong .

 

[Mjölnir]

We agree once again, this...........feels wrong .

t:

I'm sure one of us will Loki the other soon enough.

 

[Tony Stark]

Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with Logan dying, you're right that he was dying from the start of the film - and yeah, he did die in a noble cause, but he has to literally wait until he's seconds from death to drop the wall of crap that he keeps up to keep other people at a distance - one of the things
I've never liked about Logan is that he almost seems to wallow in self-pity
about all the stuff that's wrong with his life. But in this film there's more to him, his pain is real and believable, which is why I believe it's the best portrayal of Wolverine.

I was honestly hoping with all the Shane references in the film, it would end with Logan telling Lora to go on with her friends without him and the film ends with Logan walking away or riding off into the sunset, and people will argue for years on whether he's dead or not.

 

[DACrowe]

TDKR

 

[Katemart589]

Both are good. But TDK will be the best for me.

 

[Ivan Drago]

God I hate that Joker so much.

 

[Batmannerism]

I was honestly hoping with all the Shane references in the film, it would end with Logan telling Lora to go on with her friends without him and the film ends with Logan walking away or riding off into the sunset, and people will argue for years on whether he's dead or not.

Oh man, that would have been a way better ending IMO - almost an Inception ending. Dude, quick, invent a time machine and travel back to 2015 and find James Mangold before he films the ending !

 

[Batmannerism]

Yeah i would agree with this. Logan is what, 300 years old by the time he dies? He has lost a lot of people and seen some bad things during his long life. Not to mention some bad things happening to him and him losing his memories. So for me it's justifiable that Logan wallows in self pity.

Remember Xavier's reaction when he read Logan's mind in DOFP? That sums it up

Is it ? For most of his life he's immune to the things that plague ordinary humans like injury, illness and aging.

Everybody loses people, it's part of life, most folks just pick up and move on, and even those who don't don't act as grumpy as Logan does in most of his films - especially the solo films. Logan is far from the most hard-luck superhero out there.

Also by that logic every virtually immortal character should be given a pass for similar wallowing - which isn't the case in many stories.

Why I think Logan is such a great film is that for the first time Logan's pain, both emotional and physical, feels relatable - that he's finally faced with his mortality.

For me, Logan was the first time I actually felt some sympathy for him.

As for Batman, well it's not really about self-pity but about rage and pain. Batman never gets over the trauma of his parents' murder, he just takes the pain and fury and channels it into his one-man war on crime. Of course I'll concede that it does depend on the writer, Frank Miller's all-star Batman is a much bigger A-hole than any version of Wolverine.

 

[Superhero 101]

I loved Logan but the dark knight is a clear winner. Tdk built on batman begins and transcended the superhero genre.

 

[King23DC]

I really liked Logan ... but are you serious?

Nothing before or since has sniffed 2008's TDK