Logical Timeline Between Origin To X1

[TheVelvetOnion]

I have a theory and a logical look at what possible happend to wolverine from point of origin to x1.

First off, what we know...
(There thinking about a sequel to the prequel, cyclops, storm, sabretooth, Styker and Stykers son are all characters in this first origin movie.)

Now i have been thinking about there casting of certain characters in X-Men Origins but then i thought its set 17 years before x-men 1 so Gambit is in his mid 20's not like his true age in the comic which would mimic that of what Cyclops would of been in x-men 1...anyway moving on.

here is what i think happend. and this is just an overview of Wolverine history in the comics as to what they possible would translate it into the movies to make it fit between Origin and x1...

Ok first of it looks like from the trailer we have wolverine as a kid his powers manifest, goes on the run, joins the army, fights in two world wars, is found by Styker undergoes the weapon x programe that laces his bones with adimantium. He goes bezzerk goes on the run and is then hunted down by the remaining Weapon X members. Wolverine survives as he always does and leads into the next movie...

Wolverine wants to control his animal rage and goes to Japan to train with a secluded monistary where he is trained by ninja's Wolverine encounters a young Yuiko Pre-Deathstrike. who he falls in love with, however Yuiko probably already with Silver Samuri a feared mutant samuri who is causing chaos in the local village... Think X-Men V Karate Kid 2... Possible cameos of Sunfire...Wolverine defeats silver samuri and all is well. Wolverine then leaves the peaceful secluded monistary where he decides to face his demonds.

Next Movie... Wolverine travels through russia where Hydra takes an interest in wolverine, they send Omega Red to capture him. Probably succeed however Wolverine escapes with the help of shield. Shield offer him a place with Avengers... bearing in mind this would be a cameo placed like the Hulk and Iron man nudge but By time this movie comes out Avengers probably would already be made and they would be thinking about Avengers 2 featuring Wolverine and Spiderman... we can all dream. Anyway from Shield wolverine is track hydra's movement in Canada. They are after Wendigo a beast like mutant they wish to obtain the genetic code too. Wolverine is sent to stop them possible X-23 appearance, wolverine saves the day with the help of Alpha flight, he does doesnt join, heads to alaska where he ends up in a bar fighting for change.

Then enter rogue.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Anyway thats how i would see the x-men origin wolverine history.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Ok here is my idea of the x-men related history... based on what we know from the x-men trilogy and what we know of x-men origin so far.

1880..ish - Logan is born

1930's...ish - Charles Xavier and Eric Lenshire is born.

1944 - Eric escapes the concentration camp. Logan, Sabretooth fights alongside Captain America... (Not actually mentioned but figure its something they might throw in avengers movie)

1960's - Charles Xavier and Eric Lenshire fight in Viatnam, they meet and find they both have powers. they form a friendship and decide they want to help others like them. Also during this period of time, Logan and Sabretooth fight in viatnam. Styker also a solider in viatnam. During this period of time Beast is born.

1970's - Styker is put in charge of the mutant problem, finds out his son is a mutant and his wife dies, he goes on a bid to rid the world of mutants. However his mentality is to keep is friends close and his enemies even closer. mutants are captured and collected for research... probably by a scienst working for him...Sinister LOL During this period of time Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Mystique and Toad where born. Xavier meets Beast for the first time pre-blue fur and is one of the first mutants to be helped. Possible Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are born.

1983 - Stryker captures Wolverine and the X-Men Origin Wolverine movie takes place. Cyclops and Storm are freed and rescue Jason who run into Charles Xavier. They are taken into the school to be trained to use there gifts, Magneto starts to have a difference of opinion after meeting Stryker. Infact he meets Mystique and Sabretooth for the first time and forms his own small brotherhood. Later they meet with Jean from X-Men Last Stand opening.

1988 - Stykers son goes bizarre after Magneto warps his mind, Xavier can not help him and instead the students stop him thus forming an early X-Men team. Magneto disagrees with Xaviers methods and they part ways. Wolverine makes his way to Japan to train his animalistic insticts.

1990's - Wolverine fights hydra, moves to canada ends up heading towards Alaska fighting for money. Magneto forms his brotherhood and plots his change everyone into mutant plans (x1) Mystique informs Magneto of someone who can obsorb his powers and power the machine. Rogue but she is not powerful enough to take the full power, magneto tells mystique to keep an eye over her.

2000 - Rogue meets wolverine (x1 starts)

Well thats how i feel the essence of the movie has been placed.

 

[Ziggyman]

Probably as close as possible to the real thing...

 

[danoyse]

I didn't think we needed 2 timeline threads, so they've been merged into one. Any theories about the timeline of the movies can be posted here!

 

[Spider-Vader]

Avengers 2 with Wolverine & Spidey inplace of Hulk (we all know Banner will quit at the end) would be awesome. If only Marvel could make some deal with Sony & Fox, like they did with Universal. Sony more likely since they're smaller than Universal.

 

[X-Maniac]

Ok here is my idea of the x-men related history... based on what we know from the x-men trilogy and what we know of x-men origin so far.

1880..ish - Logan is born

1930's...ish - Charles Xavier and Eric Lenshire is born.

1944 - Eric escapes the concentration camp. Logan, Sabretooth fights alongside Captain America... (Not actually mentioned but figure its something they might throw in avengers movie)

1960's - Charles Xavier and Eric Lenshire fight in Viatnam, they meet and find they both have powers. they form a friendship and decide they want to help others like them. Also during this period of time, Logan and Sabretooth fight in viatnam. Styker also a solider in viatnam. During this period of time Beast is born.

1970's - Styker is put in charge of the mutant problem, finds out his son is a mutant and his wife dies, he goes on a bid to rid the world of mutants. However his mentality is to keep is friends close and his enemies even closer. mutants are captured and collected for research... probably by a scienst working for him...Sinister LOL During this period of time Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Mystique and Toad where born. Xavier meets Beast for the first time pre-blue fur and is one of the first mutants to be helped. Possible Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are born.

1983 - Stryker captures Wolverine and the X-Men Origin Wolverine movie takes place. Cyclops and Storm are freed and rescue Jason who run into Charles Xavier. They are taken into the school to be trained to use there gifts, Magneto starts to have a difference of opinion after meeting Stryker. Infact he meets Mystique and Sabretooth for the first time and forms his own small brotherhood. Later they meet with Jean from X-Men Last Stand opening.

1988 - Stykers son goes bizarre after Magneto warps his mind, Xavier can not help him and instead the students stop him thus forming an early X-Men team. Magneto disagrees with Xaviers methods and they part ways. Wolverine makes his way to Japan to train his animalistic insticts.

1990's - Wolverine fights hydra, moves to canada ends up heading towards Alaska fighting for money. Magneto forms his brotherhood and plots his change everyone into mutant plans (x1) Mystique informs Magneto of someone who can obsorb his powers and power the machine. Rogue but she is not powerful enough to take the full power, magneto tells mystique to keep an eye over her.

2000 - Rogue meets wolverine (x1 starts)

Well thats how i feel the essence of the movie has been placed.

Nice work, well done.

(Except it's Erik Lehnsherr, not Eric Lenshire)

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I'm a little concerned. I am a huge Wolverine fan, and am seriously anticipating this movie. Now, something in regards to the continuity doesn't make sense to me.

We all now Logan lost his memory during the Weapon X program. He meets Sabretooth before this, so it's alright if he doesn't recognize him. Then we see them fight, with Logan using adamantium claws, which makes it obvious they're fighting after the Weapon X program. That also kinda makes sense. Now, in seeing that this movie takes place before X-1, and that Logan obviously fights Sabretooth here, how is it that Logan has no idea who Sabretooth is during X-1? I know Creed's appearance has changed since then, but wouldn't Logan know this was the guy he's clearly seen fighting years before? Odds are I'm missing something, and odds are someone knows this better than me, but I'm not sure how this makes sense. Help, please?

 

[Neto Magnus]

sounds pretty good. But Xavier and Eric should meet during the Korean War.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I'm a little concerned. I am a huge Wolverine fan, and am seriously anticipating this movie. Now, something in regards to the continuity doesn't make sense to me.

We all now Logan lost his memory during the Weapon X program. He meets Sabretooth before this, so it's alright if he doesn't recognize him. Then we see them fight, with Logan using adamantium claws, which makes it obvious they're fighting after the Weapon X program. That also kinda makes sense. Now, in seeing that this movie takes place before X-1, and that Logan obviously fights Sabretooth here, how is it that Logan has no idea who Sabretooth is during X-1? I know Creed's appearance has changed since then, but wouldn't Logan know this was the guy he's clearly seen fighting years before? Odds are I'm missing something, and odds are someone knows this better than me, but I'm not sure how this makes sense. Help, please?

A.) Logan gets another memory wipe or B.) Creed isn't called Sabretooth in this movie & well Creed basically changes into an animal by X1.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm a little concerned. I am a huge Wolverine fan, and am seriously anticipating this movie. Now, something in regards to the continuity doesn't make sense to me.

We all now Logan lost his memory during the Weapon X program. He meets Sabretooth before this, so it's alright if he doesn't recognize him. Then we see them fight, with Logan using adamantium claws, which makes it obvious they're fighting after the Weapon X program. That also kinda makes sense. Now, in seeing that this movie takes place before X-1, and that Logan obviously fights Sabretooth here, how is it that Logan has no idea who Sabretooth is during X-1? I know Creed's appearance has changed since then, but wouldn't Logan know this was the guy he's clearly seen fighting years before? Odds are I'm missing something, and odds are someone knows this better than me, but I'm not sure how this makes sense. Help, please?

Good point.

It depends when, and over what timeframe, the memory loss occurred. Does it occur directly during the Weapon X program or is it a delayed response that kicks in later to erase painful and nightmarish memories of the anguish of the procedure and Silver Fox's death, or is perhaps kickstarted later by a blow to the head during a subsequent skirmish, perhaps during cagefighting?

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Good point.

It depends when, and over what timeframe, the memory loss occurred. Does it occur directly during the Weapon X program or is it a delayed response that kicks in later to erase painful and nightmarish memories of the anguish of the procedure and Silver Fox's death, or is perhaps kickstarted later by a blow to the head during a subsequent skirmish, perhaps during cagefighting?

That sounds valid, but could a part of this movie take place after X-1 or maybe X-3? I mean we never know what Logan was up to during the events before X2, or maybe in seeing that the events of X3 sucked (for us, as well as the team members), he decided to go off, as he often does in the comics.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

A.) Logan gets another memory wipe or B.) Creed isn't called Sabretooth in this movie & well Creed basically changes into an animal by X1.

B. Sounds much more logical. Maybe he gets some work done by Stryker?

 

[Peter McCabe]

B. Sounds much more logical. Maybe he gets some work done by Stryker?

I'm pretty sure Liev's Creed is not Tyler Mane's Crappertooth.

Jackman and company would choose quality over logic, depth over continuity.

That's why Stryker is now a satanic deceiver and not a mad scientist with a southern accent.

That's why Sabretooth now has a brain.

That's why they didn't even bother to get the same dog tag from X1/X2.

Alotta things are being re-invented here, only the key elements from the old trilogy are being kept.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Hmmm lets have a little adjustment to the time line...

1880..ish - Logan is born

1930's...ish - Charles Xavier and Eric Lenshire is born.

1944 - Eric escapes the concentration camp. Logan, Sabretooth fights alongside Captain America... (Not actually mentioned but figure its something they might throw in avengers movie)

1960's - Charles Xavier and Eric Lenshire fight in Viatnam, they meet and find they both have powers. they form a friendship and decide they want to help others like them. Also during this period of time, Logan and Sabretooth fight in viatnam. Styker also a solider in viatnam. During this period of time Beast is born.

1970's - Styker is put in charge of the mutant problem, finds out his son is a mutant and his wife dies, he goes on a bid to rid the world of mutants. However his mentality is to keep is friends close and his enemies even closer. mutants are captured and collected for research... probably by a scienst working for him...Sinister LOL During this period of time Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Mystique and Toad where born. Xavier meets Beast for the first time pre-blue fur and is one of the first mutants to be helped. Possible Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch are born.

1973 - David Banner experiments on gamma radiation which General Ross doesnt like so kicks him out, he hids some of his testing in Bruce who is only 4 at the time.

1980's - Johnny Blaze makes a deal with Mephesto to save his father from cancer only for his father to die from a motocycle stunt.

1983 - Stryker captures Wolverine and the X-Men Origin Wolverine movie takes place. Cyclops and Storm are freed and rescue Jason who run into Charles Xavier. They are taken into the school to be trained to use there gifts, Magneto starts to have a difference of opinion after meeting Stryker. Infact he meets Mystique and Sabretooth for the first time and forms his own small brotherhood. Later they meet with Jean from X-Men Last Stand opening.

1988 - Stykers son goes bizarre after Magneto warps his mind, Xavier can not help him and instead the students stop him thus forming an early X-Men team. Magneto disagrees with Xaviers methods and they part ways. Wolverine makes his way to Japan to train his animalistic insticts.

1990's - Wolverine fights hydra, moves to canada ends up heading towards Alaska fighting for money. Magneto forms his brotherhood and plots his change everyone into mutant plans (x1) Mystique informs Magneto of someone who can obsorb his powers and power the machine. Rogue but she is not powerful enough to take the full power, magneto tells mystique to keep an eye over her.

1998 - Nick Fury returns to sheild after retirement - he fights Hydra and brings down Baron Von Strucker and Viper... Elsewhere Blade faces Deacon Frost and stops the blood god from returning.

1999 - Wolverine finds himself in a bar in Ancorage fighting for money.

2000 - Wolverine Meets Rogue, Magneto hatches his plans to turn all humans into mutants. He is stopped by Xavier's X-Men including Wolverine. Magneto is placed in a plastic prision. Wolverine Leaves the instatue to find himself.

2001 - Wolverine heads to Alkali Lake.

2002 - Blade finds himself in Russia saving the life of his friend who was presumed dead. He reluctantly joins the BloodPack and takes down mutant vampires. Back in New York near columbia universtiy, Peter Parker is bitten by a mutated spider that gives him the abilities of a spider. He fights the green goblin and wins the heart of mary jane. But doesnt reveal to her who he is instead becomes a vigilanti. On the other side of New York somewhere in Hell's Kitchen. Matt Murdock dresses up as Daredevil fulls in love with Elektra and takes down the Kingpin and Bullseye. Wolverine finally reaches Alkali lake...because he walked all the way took him two years, he may stopped in a few bars along the way but he finds nothing then starts walking back to the x-mansion. Magneto takes up chess in his prision cell whilst giving away details of Xaviers Mansion.

2003 - Wolverine returns to mansion, Meets Nightcrawler, Styker attacks, brainwashes Xavier, tries to kill all mutants, stopped by the x-men, Dam burst, Jean turns into phoenix and saves them but she dies. They go home and cry. Bruce Banner picking off where his father left off about Gamma Radiation accidently turns himself into the Hulk. He meets his father who wants to research him but instead David Banner turns himself into The Absorbing Man. Bruce fights his father as General Ross tries to capture him. He doesnt succeed Bruce heads to Brazil. Anyway back to America, Tampa Bay, Frank Castle is involved in a sting operation that ends badly, his family are killed and he is left for dead, he takes revenge under the guise of PUNISHER, and takes down one by one the Saint family.

2004 - Doc Ock is born, goes on the rampage, is stopped by Spiderman, Harry learns that Peter Parker is Spiderman and plots his revenge... Elsewhere Blade finds himself being hunted he is saved by the nightstawkers who want his help to stop Draco - the first vampire from causing chaos. He does so at the risk of his own life. All Vampires are killed except blade who disappears into the night. and somewhere in a wooded area Elektra who didnt die is hired to take down The Chosen One but instead ends up saving her.

2005 - COSMIC AWARENESS... Reed Richards formulates a plan to research Cosmic rays onboard VonDoom's space station. They do so but become powered by Cosmic Rays turning them into superhero's where as VonDoom becomes bitter and powerhungry, the four stop him by turning him into a human statue. During this time Wolverine was praticing in the danger room.

2006 - Pheonix returns from the dead, Xavier and Magneto try to reason with her however with the mutant unrest that Magneto has generated and the possibility of a Cure he manages to warp Pheonix's mind and she kills Xavier. Wolverine comes along and saves the day, Magneto is turns into a human. However elsewhere on the road Johnny Cage is called upon by Mephesto to dawn the Ghost Rider. He does so, over comes it and defeats Mephesto's son Blackheart in the process.

2007 - Harry Osborne takes revenge for his father and becomes the new Green Goblin, Sandman is created which spiderman is unable to stop, he finds out that he is his uncles killer and goes after him, he becomes infected with the Venom alien and wears a black symbiant suit. It changes him and at first he likes it but realises what he has done and gets rid of it, Brock becomes the new Vemon and teams up with Sandman to defeat Spiderman. New Goblin helps him and dies in the process. Not only was Venom one of the alien species that arrived on earth but Silver Surfer disrupts the planet. Galaktus is coming, Fantastic Four team up with Doom who stabs them in the back and steals the surfers board, The Surfer manages to stop Galactus from destroying the earth.

2008 - Tony Stark is kidnapped and makes himself a nice shiney suit Iron Man. He escapes builds a new suit goes after the people that held him prisioner, he wins, finds out his business partner is responsible for his kidnap and has built a better Iron Man suit...Iron Monger. Iron wins in a fight, reveals to the public that he is Iron Man...Nick Fury Invites Startk to join Avengers, Elsewhere several years in hiding Banner is found by General Ross and sends a team to get him, He heads back to america where he finds Betty has hooked up with Doc Samson. Ross's best soldier manages to track him down, they fight he becomes Abonimation to match Hulks power. Is stopped Ross who feels sorry for himself drinks in a bar, Stark offers a possibiltiy to for Avengers. Meanwhile The Punisher comes out of hiding and takes down a mobster known as Jigsaw. He wins.

Everything else beyond this point is speculation...

2009 - X-Factor Investigations are formed

2010 - Iron Man is taken captive by A.I.M who want to use his technology for there own means, Rhodes wears a secondary Iron Man Suit made for combat called Mk 4 - War Machine. He succeeds in rescuing Stark and both Iron Man and War Machine take on A.I.M's supercomputer humanoid M.O.D.O.K Who was made using Starks own technology. Elsewhere somewhere nordic and cold, a eco warrior and powerful mutant THOR tries to help stop an evil organisation from poluting the world, However the evil organisation is owned by Thor's half brother known as Loki... a war happens which Thor wins, Nick Fury offers Thor a place in the Avengers.

2011 - Henry Pym tries a new formula which makes him able to grow or shrink to any size, he becomes Ant-Man with his wife who becomes The Wasp. They are captured by Shield for abusing there powers and forced to join avengers. Captain America is found in the artic and is resurrected by Nick Fury. He is made team leader of a new Avenger team which are responsible for bringing in The Hulk for his crimes. Elsewhere Doctor Conners accidently turns himself into The Lizard, Jamerson puts a reward out to capture the Lizard, Kraven turns up, Spiderman knows that the lizard is conners so tries to save him, Jamerson thinks Spiderman is helping the Lizard and so puts out a bigger reward, Kraven hunts both Spiderman and Lizard, another villian turns up Scorpian who is paid to take them both down.

2012 - Nick Fury offers Wolverine and Spiderman to join the new avenger team...

2013 - Iron man faces Mandarin and Fing Fan Foom.

2014 - Spiderman faces Chamelon and Electro who want to de-mask Spiderman.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I'm pretty sure Liev's Creed is not Tyler Mane's Crappertooth.

Jackman and company would choose quality over logic, depth over continuity.

That's why Stryker is now a satanic deceiver and not a mad scientist with a southern accent.

That's why Sabretooth now has a brain.

That's why they didn't even bother to get the same dog tag from X1/X2.

Alotta things are being re-invented here, only the key elements from the old trilogy are being kept.

Yes, but you also need to remember this movie is still a prequel. Mostly everything needs to fit. A dog tag is understandable, but not Sabretooth's look.

 

[Peter McCabe]

Yes, but you also need to remember this movie is still a prequel. Mostly everything needs to fit. A dog tag is understandable, but not Sabretooth's look.

Once again, quality over logic.

I doubt you would prefer Tyler Mane back as Sabretooth or a plot line that turns Liev Schreiber into a brain-dead oger.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Creed's change into Sabretooth could be something that happend to him during his time with Magneto?

Think about it... Creed says to logan they cant fight what they are. Magneto believes mutants should be proud of there gift whatever it is. I'm thinking that Creed is brainwashed by Weapon X. Turns against stryker and finds Magneto, Magneto enhances his powers making him more feral. He loses his normal look and becomes more beastial like as a result his mind becomes more simple and controllerable.

 

[Peter McCabe]

I think Logan will kill Victor Creed either in this film or the next, and the oger from X1 is just one of the clones Stryker created that escaped.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

It still has to be a Prequel... even if they want to bend the rules, they cant keep bending them otherwise the franchise wouldnt make sense and each story would just be a retalling... So there must be some logic to creeds transformation

 

[Peter McCabe]

It still has to be a Prequel... even if they want to bend the rules, they cant keep bending them otherwise the franchise wouldnt make sense and each story would just be a retalling... So there must be some logic to creeds transformation

They are improving the rules.

I realized that the moment they cast Schreiber as Creed and Hood as director.

This is a completely different monster in comparison to the old trilogy.

Wolverine/Jackman is really the only constant.

 

[Neto Magnus]

you're kinda ruining it with the other Marvel timelines. Stick with X-Men movieverse.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

Not the only constant...

Xavier was in flashback scenes... deleted scenes now but it shows that they wanted to keep within the old trilogy guidelines...

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Creed's change into Sabretooth could be something that happend to him during his time with Magneto?

Think about it... Creed says to logan they cant fight what they are. Magneto believes mutants should be proud of there gift whatever it is. I'm thinking that Creed is brainwashed by Weapon X. Turns against stryker and finds Magneto, Magneto enhances his powers making him more feral. He loses his normal look and becomes more beastial like as a result his mind becomes more simple and controllerable.

This also kind of makes sense. I can see Magneto manipulating Creed to that extend.

 

[TheVelvetOnion]

This also kind of makes sense. I can see Magneto manipulating Creed to that extend.

This leads me to the theory of Quicksilver and Scarelet Witch being in this movie