Lois/Clark/Lana questions

[Havok83]

This is alot so bear with me. What brought Lois to Smallville and what is her purpose on this show?

Whats the deal with Lois and Clark? Have they ever been romantic? Do either have feelings for the other. Ive only seen the first 2 episodes of season 7, and not much chemistry there. Is there any signs that they are meant to be or is that reserved for Lana?

Whats the relationship between Lois and Lana like? Are tehy friends, rivals, etc? Has the show played up a triangle between them and Clark? Where do most fans seem to prefer as far as that goes?

 

[cheungcheung]

DC has restrictions on a clark/lois romance in this stage of his life (i.e., clark and lois will never happen on Smallville).

i agree w/ u that tom welling and erica durance do not have great chemistry between them.

for example, when lois and clark were under the effects of red-k lipstick in Crimson, it felt completely forced and awkward.

 

[triplet]

You don't buy Lois and Clark being together? I thought they were hot together in Crimson....

*shrug*

I beleive Lana was born in Smallville, she didn't "come to" Smallville. She was raised there next door to the Kent farm although she hasn't lived next door since the second season.

Havok, I think you need to get yourself the first season and watch the Pilot, it'll probably clear up a lot about Lana and Clark.

 

[Havok83]

You don't buy Lois and Clark being together? I thought they were hot together in Crimson....

*shrug*

I beleive Lana was born in Smallville, she didn't "come to" Smallville. She was raised there next door to the Kent farm although she hasn't lived next door since the second season.

Havok, I think you need to get yourself the first season and watch the Pilot, it'll probably clear up a lot about Lana and Clark.

I actually meant Lois (too many Ls). That was my mistake and I fixxed it. My questions are mainly about Lois as I dont know much about her character as it relates to Smallville

 

[Olea]

This is alot so bear with me. What brought Lana to Smallville and what is her purpose on this show?

Believe me when I say this is a question a lot of fans are asking lately. Lana's character was always secondary in the mythology and it worked really great in the show too up to the end of season 3. Then all of the sudden, Al/Miles developed a brain and thought that since we have an adorable actress in the form of KK, why not use that and who cares if we screw up the show a bit along the way. And they did. Season 4 came back with a Lana-turning-into-a-medieval-witch storyline that everyone hated. And to please the fans, since this is after all Clark Kent's story, they threw us a bone and got the Fortress of Solitude rising as the season finalle.

Since then the show has introduced storylines with the sole purpose of making Lana relevant. We saw new superheroes coming to town with a sense of purpose and aware of what they're destined to do. Clark Kent and HIS journey on the other hand has taken a back sit. His love for Lana has turned into obsession which led to his father's death in season 5 and to very questionable decisions, like begging her to leave her husband on her wedding day in season 6.

What started as a very sweet romance giving spice to the show, has turned into very heated arguements between Superman fans who do not understand why Lana has to be the alpha and the omega into every story and fans who would rather turn Smallville into an elseworld story with Clark never leaving and ending up with Lana. Unfortunately, since season 4 rating have also dropped. What used to be a 7-8million viewrship show in the first 3 seasons, barely managed to get 4.5millions average for season 6. Verdict is still out for season 7.....

Whats the deal with Lois and Clark? Have they ever been romantic? Do either have feelings for the other. Ive only seen the first 2 episodes of season 6, and not much chemistry there. Is there any signs that they are meant to be or is that reserved for Lana?

DC has registered a lot of restriction in order to allow Al/Miles to use Lois Lane in the show. Most notably that there should never be any romance while in Smallville.

When Lois first appeared in Smallville in season 4 to solve the mystery of her cousin's Chloe death, Pandora's box was opened. The writers and producers of the show made some tragic mistakes for which they, and in consequence we are now paying dearly.

The first mistake was having Lana as a main lead character instead of a supporting one like Chloe. I understand the need for a female character but I don't understand the drive to make her perfect in an imperfect world, and especially a character who has no real baring in the Superman mythology. Then the future Mrs Clark Kent came to Smallvile. ED was only scheduled for 4 episodes but the character was loved by the viewers and was eventually written for 13 and here lays the second mistake.

Those first episodes showed Lois closer to her comic/tv/movies image. She was mouthy, driven, knew what she wanted and how to get it AND she had an interest in exposing the truth. The means were provided by Chloe as the high school editor, yes, but it was all Lois there. And then suddenly nothing. They kept the character but stripped her of all those qualities that are so characteristic of her. Result? She just lingered in Smallville without any purpose and definitely without a storyline. Plus, continuing from mistake number one, now they have devided the fans who opt to switch off the TV rather than see an episode with the iconic character they know nothing about and understand even less. I have to admit that I am still undecided whether it was a good move to bring Lois in Smallville in the first place.

Coming to mistake number 3 : Chloe or any number of other guest characters saving Clark's butt week after week. Clark should be able to start thinking for himself and finally become a little more pro-active, instead of acting only when forced to do so. But the way the characters have been written so far has resulted for both Clark and Lois to look second rate and inadequate compared to others.


I know.... to much information for someone new to Smallville but hey as triplet said, it might be best if you started from the beginning. The Pilot is an amasing episode.....

 

[cheungcheung]

the pilot is my fave episode still.

smallville made lois lane into a 'muffin-peddling college dropout' who has no real reason to be hanging out in smallville....

and likes to wear really skimpy outfits often.

 

[AgentPat]

Hehehe... looks like everybody is answering this, but since I started a response too, I might as well post it. The answers to some of these questions are very spoilerish, especially if you've only seen two episodes of the entire series, but here goes...

What brought Lois to Smallville and what is her purpose on this show?

Lois Lane is Chloe Sullivan's cousin. At the end of the third season, Chloe went into witness protection for testifying against Lionel Luthor, Lex's father. (Long story there.) Lionel tried to kill her in her safe house by having it blown up, but Lex got Chloe and her dad out just in time. Lex kept Chloe's rescue a secret, but everybody else thought she died, including her cousin. Because Chloe feared for her life, she made a video tape to be sent to Lois in the event of her "death." Lois came to SV in the premiere of the fourth season looking for answers.

Whats the deal with Lois and Clark? Have they ever been romantic?

In their normal state of minds? No. They bust each other's chops constantly. Lois is one of the few female characters on the show who doesn't give Clark a "pass."

Do either have feelings for the other.

They care about each other, but there's no romance there yet. In two episodes from last year involving Clark having to conceal his identity, and another where the couple's personalities were altered, both discovered that kissing each other was something they very much enjoyed. Lois doesn't remember that it was Clark, but Clark remembers everything.

Ive only seen the first 2 episodes of season 6, and not much chemistry there. Is there any signs that they are meant to be

Constantly. Fans refer to the reminders as "anvils," because every time a reference is made, it's like an anvil dropping in the background. (They're pretty obvious.)

or is that reserved for Lana?

Anvils about Clark and Lana's future are kept vague, but Clark will always love her. How the two will eventually be separated remains to be seen.

Whats the relationship between Lois and Lana like? Are they friends, rivals, etc?

They're friends. There's no animosity between the two. In fact, Lois has been very supportive of Clark and Lana's relationship. Chloe, on the other hand.... LOL

Has the show played up a triangle between them and Clark?

Lana, Clark and Lois? No. But they've played just about every other triangle. LOL

Where do most fans seem to prefer as far as that goes?

Bahahaha! I'm not answering that one. It depends where you go, Havok. The 'ship business on SV (arguments over who should be who) can get quite heated.

On the topic of chemistry, Clark's interaction with Lana is on a different level than it is with Lois. Since Clark loves Lana, his drive to be with her is tempered by his desire to keep her safe. So they're constantly in flux doing the on-again off-again seesaw that drives viewers batty.

With Lois, the chemistry is more about one-upmanship. Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly wrote a column in the July 13, 2007 issue (#943) about chemistry and what it is. Here's what he had to say:

Question: We recognize "chemistry" between actors when we see it. But what actually is it? - Mike

Answer: If it were as easy as two pretty people showing up on set, getting along just swell, and enjoying a mutual attraction, then a lot more romantic movies would have a lot more chemistry than they do. The fact that many actors who have sparked each other didn't actually get along (famously, Richard Gere and Debra Winger in And Officer and a Gentleman) indicates that mere camaraderie may have little to do with it. And the fact that major Hollywood icons who were gay in private life have joined in vibrant onscreen hetero pairings suggests that literal attraction isn't necessarily the key.

If you look at chemically dynamic two-somes (Hepburn and Tracy, Bogart and Bacall, Powell and Loy, Streisand and Redford), I'd say that what drives most of them is an honest affection coupled with - the magic ingredient - a competitive edge, a theatrical drive to one-up each other that translates on camera as spicy, teasing attraction.

These are the kind of qualities I think the SV writers are showing in development between Lois and Clark, which makes sense given what we know about the couple's respective futures.

 

[Havok83]

thanks so much everyone for answering these questions! Im was a bit confused until now

 

[Serene]

thanks so much everyone for answering these questions! Im was a bit confused until now

Welcome, Havok.
I'm glad you're interested in the show. Even though it's in its 7th season, I still think it's a great time to jump in. You might consider watching the previous seasons on DVD if you ever get the chance though.

I'll add my 2 bits to the Lois/Clark/Lana question. Keep in mind, the SV fans are about the MOST polarized fandom I've ever seen, and I've been around quite a few of them, for many years. So, most opinions you read will be colored by personal bias. I'm not saying anyone's absolutely right or wrong, but don't be fooled by anyone telling you that they know exactly how ALL the fans feel about anything on this show. They don't. Not even me..

Personally, I'm more of a Clark and Lana fan, because that relationship, along with the Clark and Lex one is what sold me on the show. But never forget, despite all the complicate relationships in this show, it's still ultimately about Clark Kent and the events of his life that lead him to becoming Superman.

The relationship of Clark and Lana has always been filled with frustration, primarily because of one of the basic tenets this show set up: Clark's need to hide his alien origins from her. This storyline did go on far too long, but fortunately, it's finally been resolved as of last season. Now we go to the next phase for them - trying to make it work as a real couple. I suspect, it's going to be a bumpy ride as usual for them, and as we all know, it's not going to end up with them happily ever after as he has other plans for his future *coughSupermanLoisLane*. But through all of this, there's no denying the amazing chemistry of Tom and Kristin playing these two ill-fated lovers. So I do :heart: them madly, even though they won't last.

Regarding Lois, who I also love, as Pat explained, she was introduced on the show with certain stipulations about not having her be romantically involved with Clark.. yet. I've come to actually LOVE the way SV is handling Lois. She's still developing her iconic persona, just as Clark is. There are so many anvils and nods to their future together that I find very entertaining. But despite the obvious anvils, there is a palpable bond developing between Clark and Lois that is very real and honest feeling, and this is the kind of chemistry that makes you believe that they will be able to one day fall in love in the future. Without the burden of having to create a dramatic romance between them yet, Clark and Lois have fun and exciting scenes together almost all the time. It's a wonderful balance to have along with his love scenes with Lana.

Lana and Lois have always been supportive of each other. Even when Lana was with Lex - she confided in Lois after Lois made the offer to listen. I love SV writers so much for not making them competitors on this show. The way I see it, Lois and Lana are the two great loves of Clark Kent's life, and Clark Kent isn't an idiot. He sees something in both of these women - neither would betray him, and both love him in different ways. I hold to the thinking that Lana will always love the human side of Clark Kent -the boy she grew up with; and Lois will be able to love the Superman side of him. Since his adult role will be dominated by his Supermanly duties, Lois is the woman that fits into his life for the long run, and not Lana. (okay, I got a chest pang when I wrote that. ). But I do believe it.


Wow! Holy morning coffee rant! Sorry guys, caffeine buzz strikes again.

 

[Cmill216]

http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/10...field-keywords=Smallville&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

 

[Serene]

http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/10...field-keywords=Smallville&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

LOL!

Have some coffee, cmill.

 

[Cmill216]

Oh, it's nearly 3PM on the east coast. I'm wired up, already.

 

[Captivated]

Welcome, Havok.
I'm glad you're interested in the show. Even though it's in its 7th season, I still think it's a great time to jump in. You might consider watching the previous seasons on DVD if you ever get the chance though.

I'll add my 2 bits to the Lois/Clark/Lana question. Keep in mind, the SV fans are about the MOST polarized fandom I've ever seen, and I've been around quite a few of them, for many years. So, most opinions you read will be colored by personal bias. I'm not saying anyone's absolutely right or wrong, but don't be fooled by anyone telling you that they know exactly how ALL the fans feel about anything on this show. They don't. Not even me..

Personally, I'm more of a Clark and Lana fan, because that relationship, along with the Clark and Lex one is what sold me on the show. But never forget, despite all the complicate relationships in this show, it's still ultimately about Clark Kent and the events of his life that lead him to becoming Superman.

The relationship of Clark and Lana has always been filled with frustration, primarily because of one of the basic tenets this show set up: Clark's need to hide his alien origins from her. This storyline did go on far too long, but fortunately, it's finally been resolved as of last season. Now we go to the next phase for them - trying to make it work as a real couple. I suspect, it's going to be a bumpy ride as usual for them, and as we all know, it's not going to end up with them happily ever after as he has other plans for his future *coughSupermanLoisLane*. But through all of this, there's no denying the amazing chemistry of Tom and Kristin playing these two ill-fated lovers. So I do :heart: them madly, even though they won't last.

Regarding Lois, who I also love, as Pat explained, she was introduced on the show with certain stipulations about not having her be romantically involved with Clark.. yet. I've come to actually LOVE the way SV is handling Lois. She's still developing her iconic persona, just as Clark is. There are so many anvils and nods to their future together that I find very entertaining. But despite the obvious anvils, there is a palpable bond developing between Clark and Lois that is very real and honest feeling, and this is the kind of chemistry that makes you believe that they will be able to one day fall in love in the future. Without the burden of having to create a dramatic romance between them yet, Clark and Lois have fun and exciting scenes together almost all the time. It's a wonderful balance to have along with his love scenes with Lana.

Lana and Lois have always been supportive of each other. Even when Lana was with Lex - she confided in Lois after Lois made the offer to listen. I love SV writers so much for not making them competitors on this show. The way I see it, Lois and Lana are the two great loves of Clark Kent's life, and Clark Kent isn't an idiot. He sees something in both of these women - neither would betray him, and both love him in different ways. I hold to the thinking that Lana will always love the human side of Clark Kent -the boy she grew up with; and Lois will be able to love the Superman side of him. Since his adult role will be dominated by his Supermanly duties, Lois is the woman that fits into his life for the long run, and not Lana. (okay, I got a chest pang when I wrote that. ). But I do believe it.


Wow! Holy morning coffee rant! Sorry guys, caffeine buzz strikes again.

Great rant.

I agree... only I've been frustrated knowing that Lois is "supposed" to be Clark's "great love" because I just don't feel it.

I really WISH I could feel it and see it... I do... because I know that's where they are going to force this story to go, and I'd like to enjoy it.

I just don't feel any chemistry between ED and TW. None. I like her character... as comic relief... but I don't see her as being nearly good enough for Clark. ED is a pretty girl, but often she seems weathered and "old" next to TW... in-spite of the ponytail.

I would also have preferred to think that Clark falls for Lois from day one when he meets her. Here I feel that his irritation with her was real... NOT covering attraction. Even when they kissed in Hydro and Crimson it did NOT sizzle like TW and KK's kissing scenes. And Clark seemed in no real way distracted from Lana by it. So for me, trying to picture him, or want him to get together with THIS Lois... in THIS story... it just feels awkward.

 

[Serene]

Great rant.

Thanks.

I agree... only I've been frustrated knowing that Lois is "supposed" to be Clark's "great love" because I just don't feel it.

I really WISH I could feel it and see it... I do... because I know that's where they are going to force this story to go, and I'd like to enjoy it.

I just don't feel any chemistry between ED and TW. None. I like her character... as comic relief... but I don't see her as being nearly good enough for Clark. ED is a pretty girl, but often she seems weathered and "old" next to TW... in-spite of the ponytail.

I would also have preferred to think that Clark falls for Lois from day one when he meets her. Here I feel that his irritation with her was real... NOT covering attraction. Even when they kissed in Hydro and Crimson it did NOT sizzle like TW and KK's kissing scenes. And Clark seemed in no real way distracted from Lana by it. So for me, trying to picture him, or want him to get together with THIS Lois... in THIS story... it just feels awkward.

I totally understand where you are coming from. I had a hard time myself getting to the point of liking Erica and her Lois in this show. But at this point, she's won me over in the context that I described above. The way she always busted Clark's balls used to irritate the heck out of me, but since they've actually explored her character more, I think they've successfully shown that she does truly care for him. I want to see this young version of Lois be relentless and self-assured, even though she's still in her training years of being a world renowned journalist. Also, I love the common ground that she has with Lana, despite how different the two characters are. I can see the potential of Clark loving this Lois in the future now, so I'm much happier with her than I used to be.

I don't feel the chemistry between Tom and Erica is even in the ballpark of what he and Kristin have, but that's okay... I don't really need to see that in order to really like this early version of Lois Lane. Who knows, maybe as the show progresses and we get to know her even more, and he's changing as well remember, perhaps I will feel that one day. Either way, I still love her on the show now.

 

[Havok83]

Great rant.

I agree... only I've been frustrated knowing that Lois is "supposed" to be Clark's "great love" because I just don't feel it.

I really WISH I could feel it and see it... I do... because I know that's where they are going to force this story to go, and I'd like to enjoy it.

I just don't feel any chemistry between ED and TW. None. I like her character... as comic relief... but I don't see her as being nearly good enough for Clark. ED is a pretty girl, but often she seems weathered and "old" next to TW... in-spite of the ponytail.

I would also have preferred to think that Clark falls for Lois from day one when he meets her. Here I feel that his irritation with her was real... NOT covering attraction. Even when they kissed in Hydro and Crimson it did NOT sizzle like TW and KK's kissing scenes. And Clark seemed in no real way distracted from Lana by it. So for me, trying to picture him, or want him to get together with THIS Lois... in THIS story... it just feels awkward.

I feel the same way about Lois from what little I see. They dont have any chemistry. I see it with Lana, but none with Lois. She comes across so much more mature than him and not on the same level.

 

[LoisL]

I feel the same way about Lois from what little I see. They dont have any chemistry. I see it with Lana, but none with Lois. She comes across so much more mature than him and not on the same level.

Aw, that's too bad. Chemistry is so hard to agree upon, yet something we all feel so instinctively and passionately. I suggest that you watch Season 4, however. It won't turn you into a fan of the couple against your will but you will get a chance to see the two meet and create fireworks of thier own.

Let me add a few Cloiser words here. The chemistry of Lois and Clark is very very different in nature from his chemistry with Lana. Lois and Clark scenes are characterized by banter, irrelevance, and humor. Whereas Lana and Clark scenes are typically sober, yearning and dramatic.

Lois and Clark are crazy. They hit each other (ok, Lois does the hitting -ah, how I miss those beautiful shoulder punches!) and they snicker and they sneak sideways glances at each other and try to keep a straight face. In season 4 especially (which is a goldmine of Clois for the ship's fans) they were like two kids in the playground who had an attraction to each other which inspired bluffing and showing off and bickering and being silly.

Their characters are opposites! As in the comics, Lois is tough and witty and irreverant. As in the comics, Clark is gentle and mild-mannered and law-abiding. What's particularly interesting to the Cloiser is how being around Lois has an effect on Clark: he stands up straighter, suddenly becomes witty, and a man of steel to her punches and provocation. Meanwhile, there's that heart of gold under Lois' bluff; they have a common ground of deep loyalty to family and brave fight against injustice. They have moments of (gasp!) open affection for each other; confiding in each other and offering comfort. But in general there is just something lighthearted yet secret between the two. Comfort and irritation combined. (I say comfort because Clark doesn't have to worry about hiding his secrets from Lois etc. She doesn't care about drama.)

In closing, I just want to add a "Great post, Serene!" because that was an awesome discussion. Clana and Clois are as different as night and day; but I personally like them both (though you can guess my preference) and honor them for winning the love of Superman. In that sense Smallville is very much going by the Silver Age of the comics. In those days fans used to debate Lois vs. Lana because they were the two women in his life. Lois had the edge and the future; but Lana owned the past and a special loyalty in Superman's heart. Happily, Smallville has NOT followed the Silver Age's tactic of making them rivals. I'm very happy with the pleasant neutral friendship between the two at present. Lois doesn't want Clark (yet) and she supports Clark & Lana's love for each other. I think Clark's grateful for that. He's experienced enough shipper drama from girls chasing him; Lois is more like "one of the boys", which is probably where the occasional skimpy clothes comes in as an eye-opener.

 

[Olea]

I feel the same way about Lois from what little I see. They dont have any chemistry. I see it with Lana, but none with Lois. She comes across so much more mature than him and not on the same level.

I don't think you should be trying to find any chemistry between Lois and Clark because there is nothing more than friendship. They do not share love scenes or even dramatic scenes. Lois is a tough cookie, she is not a dumsel in distress. And the few scenes they had were drug induced so to me they don't count.

I would also have preferred to think that Clark falls for Lois from day one when he meets her. Here I feel that his irritation with her was real... NOT covering attraction. Even when they kissed in Hydro and Crimson it did NOT sizzle like TW and KK's kissing scenes. And Clark seemed in no real way distracted from Lana by it. So for me, trying to picture him, or want him to get together with THIS Lois... in THIS story... it just feels awkward.

I agree that up to season 5 there was a great chemistry between TW and KK. But honestly season 6 has changed that. I saw the Director's Cut for Fierce and they both seemed bored to be doing the same dance for the zillionth time again and again. KK is forcing it and only seems to lower her voice and TW looks plain bored. I feel that both actors have had enough of this merry go-round and it now shows when they have to perform such scenes.

And let's not forget how happy was KK to be finally doing something different last year with MR even if the fans hated their union. And I don't blame her. She wants some variety which the writers haven't provided yet. Their love scene are all exactly the same. Lana: "I love you", Clark "You mean the world to me".



I agree, though, that Serene, has put it very nicely. This Lois is not the star reporter with all her traits. She is the kid who is trying to find her way and is surprised when journalism might actually be that. She has no interest in Clark other than to tease him - which is not unlike all other incarnation of Superman - and he seems to be growing fonder of her by the day....

 

[avidreader]

I agree that up to season 5 there was a great chemistry between TW and KK. But honestly season 6 has changed that. I saw the Director's Cut for Fierce and they both seemed bored to be doing the same dance for the zillionth time again and again. KK is forcing it and only seems to lower her voice and TW looks plain bored. I feel that both actors have had enough of this merry go-round and it now shows when they have to perform such scenes.

Wow!! That's definitely not what I saw. I watched that scene over and over again, because I couldnt get over the fact that still, after six seasons, these two actors can show me how much chemistry they have going on between each other. That scene, in my opinion, was sizzling and it looked like they couldnt wait to jump on top of each other. t:

I would think that TW and KK will also be looking forward to exploring their new dynamic this year, with Clark's secret out in the open, and apparently whatever secret Lana is keeping

Spoiler

will be revealed in the episode Wrath. So its not going to be an ongoing theme between them.

 

[jr24tw]

Wow!! That's definitely not what I saw. I watched that scene over and over again, because I couldnt get over the fact that still, after six seasons, these two actors can show me how much chemistry they have going on between each other. That scene, in my opinion, was sizzling and it looked like they couldnt wait to jump on top of each other. t:

Remember those people who have ship preferences are usually very devided in their opinions. Like I think as a Clana shipper the Kristom chemistry is still there full force. Olea as a Clois shipper thinks there is nothing there. It's a question of preference.

IMO Erica and Justin for example had great chemistry together. When I compare that to any 'romantic' Clois moment so far...Erica and Tom don't even come close to ED and JH. Their scenes looked forced. If you have chemistry nothing looks forced. But that's just how I feel. And everyone sees things differently.

 

[Serene]

Their characters are opposites! As in the comics, Lois is tough and witty and irreverant. As in the comics, Clark is gentle and mild-mannered and law-abiding. What's particularly interesting to the Cloiser is how being around Lois has an effect on Clark: he stands up straighter, suddenly becomes witty, and a man of steel to her punches and provocation. Meanwhile, there's that heart of gold under Lois' bluff; they have a common ground of deep loyalty to family and brave fight against injustice.

I don't think there are any Clark fans that don't love seeing Clark finally being witty. Tom has GREAT comedic timing and faces! After all these seasons, that was the key positive reason for Lois coming to SV -she shook things up for Clark. And with a long-running show like this, you have to shake things up now and then. It was good for *Clark* to have a different female in his life to react to. The Chloe thing was getting routine, and they simply wouldn't let the Lana relationship be anything but frustrating for any length of time. It's no secret that I prefer the Clois dynamic over the CHlark one, because there is that *future* factor built in, and I simply prefer the character of Lois over Chloe. Not that Chloe isn't Clark's loyal and true friend, because she surely is. That's a whole 'nuther conversation though.

The situation with Lana is actually a really scary one for Clana fans this season, as much as I see most being thrilled about the potential now that the Secret that defined their relationship is gone, it seems to me that this is their launch sequence being initiated. How they proceed with ending their relationship is something that has me very concerned (and sad).

In closing, I just want to add a "Great post, Serene!" because that was an awesome discussion. Clana and Clois are as different as night and day; but I personally like them both (though you can guess my preference) and honor them for winning the love of Superman.

Ditto! On all counts.

Wow!! That's definitely not what I saw. I watched that scene over and over again, because I couldnt get over the fact that still, after six seasons, these two actors can show me how much chemistry they have going on between each other. That scene, in my opinion, was sizzling and it looked like they couldnt wait to jump on top of each other. t:

I think smoke actually comes out of the back of my TV when those two are on. Srsly.

I would think that TW and KK will also be looking forward to exploring their new dynamic this year,

I agree. Again, it's a change of pace for both of them. And as actors, that's got to be more appealing than rehashing the same angry looks and sad faces. I can't wait to see some of these scenes with them both actually being HAPPY and SMILING. Even if it's short-lived (this is SV big!drama land after all ), I will :heart: every single one of those scenes.

Remember those people who have ship preferences are usually very devided in their opinions. Like I think as a Clana shipper the Kristom chemistry is still there full force. Olea as a Clois shipper thinks there is nothing there. It's a question of preference.

Exactly. Although, I *do* think it's possible to have a 'ship preference and still see things as they are actually happening on the screen. There are different levels of 'biased viewing' IMO. Too often people just don't 'see' things because they don't like it. I may not like certain things, but to deny it's happening is ridiculous. My favorite reviews/meta come from people who talk about what's actually happened on the show, and not people who gripe about what they think *should* have happened. But I'm am an admitted big-time cheerleader for the show - warts and all.

IMO Erica and Justin for example had great chemistry together. When I compare that to any 'romantic' Clois moment so far...Erica and Tom don't even come close to ED and JH. Their scenes looked forced. If you have chemistry nothing looks forced. But that's just how I feel. And everyone sees things differently.

I really liked having Justin around. I hope we see more of him this season. Not as a regular, but a few guest shots would be great. I loved the chemistry that he and Tom had. They seemed very comfortable together.

And you know... Hot x 2. That was good too.

 

[Olea]

Remember those people who have ship preferences are usually very devided in their opinions. Like I think as a Clana shipper the Kristom chemistry is still there full force. Olea as a Clois shipper thinks there is nothing there. It's a question of preference.

It is true that as a Superman fan, I prefer Clark & Lois over Lana and I agree that at the end of the day everything is relative. What I like, you don't and vice versa.

Still, this is a scene that has been played again and again and again through six season of Smallville and IMO it has started to fade. The same scene from season 3 felt like wanting to scream "Kiss her already" but now it's more like "Not again". I know, I am not a Clana fan and that might be clouding my judgement but you have to at least agree that it's getting tiresome.

IMO Erica and Justin for example had great chemistry together. When I compare that to any 'romantic' Clois moment so far...Erica and Tom don't even come close to ED and JH. Their scenes looked forced. If you have chemistry nothing looks forced. But that's just how I feel. And everyone sees things differently.

I think it's unfair to say that there were any true romantic Clark/Lois scenes. The only scene that could even come close is from "Combat" which I personally hate because it was drug induced forced lust. Nothing romantic about it. Their scenes are mostly friendly banter and teasing. Not declaring their undying love for one another.

 

[Syncos]

Constantly. Fans refer to the reminders as "anvils," because every time a reference is made, it's like an anvil dropping in the background. (They're pretty obvious.)

This is something that's noticeably bothered me the last couple years. The show is getting to a stage where instead of clever nods and subliminal references to Clark's future, He's pretty much living it. So in an attempt to fill that void, they try to allude to something without any tact, and it's overtly obvious, even to a painful degree.

Sometimes I wish they'd just shut up and let Tom get his Superman on. Or try and be clever in their rhetoric at least.

 

[jr24tw]

I think it's unfair to say that there were any true romantic Clark/Lois scenes. The only scene that could even come close is from "Combat" which I personally hate because it was drug induced forced lust. Nothing romantic about it. Their scenes are mostly friendly banter and teasing. Not declaring their undying love for one another.

Why is that unfair? That is exactly how any 'romantic' scene between Clark and Lana happened back in the very first seasons. They were both under the influence (Lana with the Nicodemus flower, Clark on red K) and not a couple at all. Still those scenes looked natural and dare I say hot. That's chemistry. They don't have to be themselves. The actors playing the scene are still the same. And those actors either have chemistry or they don't. The kind of chemistry where you say...wow those two have it.

And I just don't see that between Erica and Tom. Not when I compare it to Kristin's and Tom's chemistry on screen. Shipper blinders aside.

 

[Olea]

Why is that unfair? That is exactly how any 'romantic' scene between Clark and Lana happened back in the very first seasons. They were both under the influence (Lana with the Nicodemus flower, Clark on red K) and not a couple at all. Still those scenes looked natural and dare I say hot. That's chemistry. They don't have to be themselves. The actors playing the scene are still the same. And those actors either have chemistry or they don't. The kind of chemistry where you say...wow those two have it.

Again I have to disagree because in those scenes both Clark and Lana wanted to be with each other. The drug just released them from their inhibitions and broke down all walls built to keep them apart.

On the other hand neither Clark nor Lois wants to be with the other. The drug released them from inhibitions too but the only thing that was evident between them was pure LUST for one another. Lust has nothing to do with chemistry, it's raw animal magnitism. You might lust for someone and not even like him. And that is was came out onscreen played very well by both TW and ED.

Shipper blinders aside.

I guess then we'll have to agree that we disagree t:

 

[TWistim]

Really great discussion going on here. Thanks Havok83 for introducing this thread. So much I agree with and some things I still ponder but here's how I weigh in.

The character of a young Lois Lane was introduced in season 4 to help lighten things up after a dark introspective story arc in season 3. She came to Smallville to investigate what happened to her cousin Chloe who it seemed at the end of season 3 had died in a safe house explosion. She “first encounters” (pun intended) Clark in a cornfield in the middle of a lightning extravaganza in which Clark, who is naked and in a trance-like state, has been returned to earth after having been abducted by his birth father, Jor-El. She thinks Clark has amnesia from being struck by lightning and takes him to the emergency room. Her first impression of Clark is tainted by his weird behavior (he’s not himself) and her preoccupation with investigating the mystery of Chloe’s death, a foreshadowing of their iconic relationship in the future. (How she didn’t just faint after seeing all that “Tommy glory” I don’t know, but I digress). She perceives Clark as a dorky farmboy, whom she dismisses as not her type and he describes her to Lana as “rude, bossy and I can’t stand her.” A rather vehement rant to which Lana replies, “The best ones always start out that way.” And the SV version of their relationship is thus set up and on its way.

Throughout season 4, there was, IMO, a hint of sexual tension played back and forth between Clark and Lois which was fun and teased the Clois fans. Then, in season 5 and most of season 6, Lois’s character and the development of the relationship between Clark and Lois was stalled and left many fans disappointed. It seems they didn’t count on the series lasting another 2/3 seasons and being restricted by the Superman movie franchise really didn’t have anyplace to take it.

In the latter part of the latter half of season 6 we are finally seeing some new development in Lois’s character toward the Lois we all know and love from the comics. We also see a more “friendly” relationship between Lois and Clark beginning to develop. I am excited about this new potential.

I think Tom and Kristin definitely have an amazing chemistry together and even though I personally have not liked the direction they have taken Lana’s character since season 4 and would like to see Clark and Lana resolve their relationship and move on from it, I still can’t deny that when they are on screen together there is something intangible between them. I think they are comfortable with one another and feel safe to play it for all its worth. I also think they each possess a certain inner security and natural sexiness in their own right. It also helps that they are both supernaturally attractive.

Erica is attractive but I sense in her a lack of confidence in herself and an attempt to oversell her sexuality. She therefore, at times, comes across to me as unnatural. Plus, on the show, she does not look her best. I am always amazed at how much prettier and younger she looks when her hair and make-up are done differently. I like Erica and I love the iconic character Lois Lane so I want her to be given more opportunity to stretch and develop her character, craft and confidence. I think that would greatly affect the chemistry between her and Tom. I am hopeful for where the writers might take SV's Lois and Clark in season 7.