I'm not a shipper of any coupling and I haven't watched season 6 closely enough it seems because I didn't get that sense of Clois in the first half of season 6. I watched as it aired and then have re-watched once since I recently bought the DVD but I will pay more attention next viewing. Although the hand touching in "Zod" was a nice moment, the bolded part (above quote) is what sticks out to me in the first part. Hydro I would concede was a turning point with Clark realizing he liked "the kiss"!
Aha!
That explains a great deal; no doubt the early season 6 Clois wasn't anything a neutral fan would have to get excited about. The Cloiser, on the other hand....
We were happy to see such a positive change from season 5's aimless Clois.
I actually loved Crimson. I thought Tom and Erica played off each other very well. (Did that sound right?) From their awkward setup in the first scene, to their lustful romp at the DP and Ollie's apartment, to the playful tension in the loft scene at the end, they sold it IMO. They both delivered the right amount of what each scene called for.
I loved Crimson too. It was a very well-placed, entertaining and dramatic episode. But I did not care for the heavy making out btwn drugged Clois; I
never like wild RedK scenes (not Clana's, not Chlarks', not Calicia's etc); I think I'm more of a romantic.
What made it still a great Clois episode for me were:
--Clark giggling and roadrunning when faced with a lovestricken Lois
--Clark terrified of manhunter Lois at the DP; showing Chloe the Whitesnake tape. (Chloe's reaction was priceless. "It's NOT FUNNY" "
Pretty funny")
--Lois finding out about GA. Trying to prove that she adores the whole farmboy thing.
Clark jealous and growing steadily offended by the minute.
--The "Flight"! That was a rare case of moonlight romance for Clois; yeah they're drugged up; yeah Lois won't remember any of it; but Clark pulling her up to the edge and then taking her soaring across the city with her staring 'round at him in pure Lois Lane-meet-Superman awe was sweepingly sentimental and....very short. Still, a lot of gorgeous banners have resulted from it.:heart:
--The morning after, barntalk. I've watched that scene a ridiculous amount of times and I crack up every time.
t: Erica is so comic; tight and uncomfortable, trying to be casual, but freezing up in horror at the very thought. Clark, agreeably surprised to have the upper hand, playing it for all it's worth. Some cute quotes "No, Lois. I think I'd remember." "'Course you would. It'd be the highlight of your life" and then THE moment when suddenly the laughter dies and they realize that dear God, what if there had been some truth in it all?? "I must've really liked you" cue sober stares and Supermanly music of destiny knocking at the door.
I think it is somewhat unfair to compare Kristom to Tomerica, partly because of what you are saying, but mostly because the two relationships are just different. They are like apples and oranges. Both fruits are good; some will just prefer one over the other. Just because I like oranges better doesn't mean I can't appreciate an apple.
ITA, TWistim. I just got the feeling that there was a consensus here that supposedly even "shipper bias aside" Kristom had enough chemistry to put Tomerica to shame. Which, frankly, I don't think can be stated so easily. The ships in SV are varied and passionate; there are no easy winners in the fanhood.
I rarely go militant Clanafan about things, but that Harley line totally pissed me off. And I like Lois, can you imagine the reception it got from people who don't like her? I still think it was a terrible line for the writers to have put in there. Not that Lois isn't Harley-like(?), but to call Lana a 'bike' to her Harley was an unnecessary insult to Lana, and it served to make Lois look *****y for saying it. I just don't buy that she would say such a thing about Lana when she's always liked her. No matter how people try and fanwank it, it was a total diss to Lana and I felt it was beneath Lois to say it.
That's too bad you feel that way, Serene. I cannot see that speech as an insult at all. While the fandom may have taken the bike vs. harley speech as Lana vs. Lois, I think that was clearly not Lois' intention. She is in no way saying that Clark will have
her one day in his life; she's supposed to be oblivious and resistent to such an idea. The fact that the audience knows
she will be his Harley allows us to read more into what she says than what she herself means.
I know you are not interested in "fanwank" but as this topic is very pertinent to the thread I just thought I'd add my two cents to the piggybank. If you look at Lois' motive: she's just trying to cheer up a glum friend whose devotion to his ex is making her other friend the ex feel harassed; remember, Lois spent the majority of that scene indignant on Lana's behalf since Lana told her that she's moved on etc. but Clark was found snooping in her room etc. As far as Lois is concerned, there was no reason imaginable for Clark to dump Lana. But she's the kind of friend that doesn't try to backtrack and make you undo what you've done. And then Lois Lane has always advised Clark Kent to "go with your gut!" and gain confidence through trusting his instincts. (Supman IV, comics, Season 4 "Blank")
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XdtYlBusv1s
Transcripted from youtube, this is the Oracle convo:
Lois (weary sarcastic): I thought you'd be outside Lana's dorm with your binoculars by now.
Clark (aloof): Well, I appreciate the concern, but Lana and I are none of your business.
Lois (awkward frank): Please, Smallville. I've had 3 exes put under a military surveillance. I'm hardly qualified to dish out postrelationship tact. (determined) But it's time for some tough love. Lana's going to move on.
Clark (defeated): She already has. With Lex.
(moment of silence)
Lois (regrouping): And it sucks. But you have to trust your gut that you did this for a reason.
Whatever reason guys have for dumping hot, smart, fun girls these days. Look, give her some space, Clark! Your whole nightstalker routine? That is going to ruin
any of the good feelings Lana has left for you.
Clark (heavy depression): If there are any.
Lois (awkward): Look, sometimes you have to tuck your feelings away until it's the right time. Like...stuffing dollars in a piggybank for a bike you can't quite afford?
Clark (despondant): Except I can't quite imagine there is anyone else out there.
Lois (mildly annoyed): Well, you never know, Clark. Maybe when you finally crack open that piggybank you'll find that all this time you haven't been saving for a bike... you've really been saving for a Harley. (challenging smile)
(moment of silence)
Clark (smiling): There are times when I think you don't know me at all. Then others when I think you know me better than anyone.
Lois (smiling wider): Well, that's what I'm here for, Smallville. One save at a time.
The fact that Lois managed to get him to smile and relax for a moment -succeeding in her goal to cheer him with some optimism- tells it all for me. Clark would have taken offense if she was belittling Lana or his feelings for her; I think the opposite was intended. Clark is often so pessimistic; gloomily unsure of what his future can hold. Lois, anathema to that attitude, is simply encouraging him to think that the future
could be bright; he has no idea what the future holds; why not happiness? why not something beyond his wildest dreams? a payoff worth the wait?
I think her advice was extremely sensible and good-natured. And the allegory of the bike worked for me because a bike is something a child grows up with and wants. It's a first love of sorts. Clark "fell in love" with Lana when he was 7. Their love, despite the ordeals and trials, still retains something of that childlike innocence: a fairytale that they hope for. The harley, while suiting to Lois, can be read simply as an upgraded bike; more mature, more exciting, and more worth the money investment. I read that speech as suggesting two layers of optimism:
1) If you wait and are patient with your feelings, your love will be better than it was before. [ClanaWithoutSecrets: well worth the wait]
2) If you resign yourself to patient hoping, you may be surprised by a greater happiness future promises you. [Which is true, so why offensive? Lana had moved on to Lexana; Lois is telling him that someday he may be able to move on to something he thinks is better too]
Oh, I SO agree that SV took a long time to figure out how to shoot Erica. I saw Erica close-up at a con, and she was FAR more beautiful than she appeared on the show. But I gotta say, I do think they've (or she's) finally got it together with her make-up and hair.
WOW!! That is SO neat that you've seen Erica. I would love to meet her, Margot Kidder, and Dana Delaney. My favorite three live-action Lois Lanes!:heart: As wrt the show's handling of Erica's look, for me it is still hit and miss.
