The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker's role in "The Last Jedi": Did you like it?

[ludovica]

It's the set-up the movie tells us. "Are you doing this? No, no. The strain would kill you". I don't see how much interpretation you can do with that.



Eh, I don't know. Rey has the Jedi Texts hidden on the Falcon, so she'll get a lot from them (If she can be bothered to, y'know, read them). That means she already has more to go on than Luke did at the end of RotJ, and his Order seems to have ended up pretty similar to a small scale version of the previous one, minus the government relationship.

If Rey starts a new Order, I hope it's completely different. As Luke's should have been. If we wanted to get really crazy, I even have an idea for a new name to replace Jedi...



"Don't destroy what you hate, save what you love". That's Luke's whole thing in RotJ. Which is a big reason we assumed he wouldn't fall into the same traps as the old Order did.

I concede exhaustion undeniably played a part in the timing, but is it the only or principal reason?
Just saying I read more in it already on first viewing, in the end everyone brings their own spiritual worldview into SW somehow.

The founding texts of the Jedi religion will be free of all the dogma and the traditions of the millennial Jedi Order.
That's huge. Luke was heavily exposed to two old Jedi, not Rey.
If nothing, Kylo has more old ways baggage weighting him down.

I wouldn't say Luke fell in any old traps, just made his own ones.
I like that they are stressing that ideal though, let's hope the Resistance really takes heed.

What's the name you have in mind?
Skywalkers?

 

[titansupes]

I concede exhaustion undeniably played a part in the timing, but is it the only or principal reason?
Just saying I read more in it already on first viewing, in the end everyone brings their own spiritual worldview into SW somehow.

I'm an atheist.

The founding texts of the Jedi religion will be free of all the dogma and the traditions of the millennial Jedi Order.
That's huge. Luke was heavily exposed to two old Jedi, not Rey.
If nothing, Kylo has more old ways baggage weighting him down.

Maybe so. I hope so. It seems strange that they said "get past the pile of old books" but then let Rey keep them. I sincerely hope this ends up differently.

What's the name you have in mind?
Skywalkers?

That's the goshdarn one. Would be an interesting way to honour him and keep the name alive in the saga keep things evolving. Especially given that his already big legend has only grown now, as illustrated by...*sigh* Broomboy.

I thought about Luke bestowing Rey with the name in IX (since she doesn't know her own), but this feels big.

 

[ludovica]

I'm an atheist.



Maybe so. I hope so. It seems strange that they said "get past the pile of old books" but then let Rey keep them. I sincerely hope this ends up differently.



That's the goshdarn one. Would be an interesting way to honour him and keep the name alive in the saga keep things evolving. Especially given that his already big legend has only grown now, as illustrated by...*sigh* Broomboy.

I thought about Luke bestowing Rey with the name in IX (since she doesn't know her own), but this feels big.

Fellow atheist here, but when it comes to SW I "apply" a more spiritual prism.

The books theft bugs me indeed.

Happy we agree on something: the Skywalkers Order.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Fellow atheist but with a deep interest in the philosophical POV of the East.

One could look at the books like this, and this applies to a lot of things in life.

You take a boat to get across the water. Once there you don't strap the boat on your back and carry it with you on land. It has served its purpose. That doesn't mean boats are bad, or outdated or not useful.

Any knowledge passed down in philosophical or religious schools of thought can have use but they become stifling if one is bound to them unequivocally. In founding a new way for the Jedi Rey will need the knowledge of the past but Luke showed her she must be aware enough not to be bound only by hierarchy and dogma, which contributed to the failures of the Jedi in his father's time.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Mark gives some good perspective to chew on here.

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[TheVileOne]

He tends to say the same things in all these interviews.

If I ever met Mark Hamill, I'd ask him about Big Red One and Lee Marvin instead of Star Wars

 

[ludovica]

Fellow atheist but with a deep interest in the philosophical POV of the East.

One could look at the books like this, and this applies to a lot of things in life.

You take a boat to get across the water. Once there you don't strap the boat on your back and carry it with you on land. It has served its purpose. That doesn't mean boats are bad, or outdated or not useful.

Any knowledge passed down in philosophical or religious schools of thought can have use but they become stifling if one is bound to them unequivocally. In founding a new way for the Jedi Rey will need the knowledge of the past but Luke showed her she must be aware enough not to be bound only by hierarchy and dogma, which contributed to the failures of the Jedi in his father's time.

Right on.

Mark gives some good perspective to chew on here.

"A wizard in a children film."
"That's what it is."

I agree, that's what's great about SW.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It's a lot of the same thing over and over again in all these interviews.

Other than Mark on Colbert this was the only other TLJ interview I had seen. I just liked his perspective here even if it's a canned response, especially as his statement about initially disagreeing with Johnson's story for his character is being used as a cudgel by a lot online against this movie.

 

[markjoedelonge]

People actually thought Luke was going to die with the torpedoes?

Really?

That would've been the weirdest way to end the movie.

Of course not. But we thought he would survive the mental projection thing, seeing as he collapsed from it and then got back up......only to freaking die again. Yeah sure, the binary sunset with the Williams' score was beautiful-looking, but it felt like a real cop-out. It felt like a death for no reason. Like Rian just felt that Luke should die in Episode 8 no matter what.

Also, he's not ready to jump back in to atone for his failure even after he found out Han was killed by Kylo? He's not ready to be there for his sister who he knows will be feeling alone and will need him more than ever? Really?? That's not the Luke I know and it's also not the Jedi way.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Luke might have been ready once connecting to the Force again and reaching out to Leia but then he was back to square one after seeing Rey and Kylo together and then recounting the story of what happened the night Ben destroyed his Jedi Academy he was back to where he was at the start of the film. It is the council of Yoda that breaks the stalemate in his soul but by then there was no way to get to Crait fast enough. Thus, his solution.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Of course not. But we thought he would survive the mental projection thing, seeing as he collapsed from it and then got back up......only to freaking die again. Yeah sure, the binary sunset with the Williams' score was beautiful-looking, but it felt like a real cop-out. It felt like a death for no reason. Like Rian just felt that Luke should die in Episode 8 no matter what.

Also, he's not ready to jump back in to atone for his failure even after he found out Han was killed by Kylo? He's not ready to be there for his sister who he knows will be feeling alone and will need him more than ever? Really?? That's not the Luke I know and it's also not the Jedi way.

If it is not the Jedi way, then why didn't Yoda ever get involved again? Further, there is more to being a Jedi than sword fighting and flying ships. I know people wanted Luke to have this awesome moment at the end, but for me, he got that. The projection to me was far more awesome than triple flip kicks with a lightsaber, or flying an X-Wing.

 

[markjoedelonge]

If it is not the Jedi way, then why didn't Yoda ever get involved again? Further, there is more to being a Jedi than sword fighting and flying ships. I know people wanted Luke to have this awesome moment at the end, but for me, he got that. The projection to me was far more awesome than triple flip kicks with a lightsaber, or flying an X-Wing.

Because there was an on-going Jedi purge.

Yeah, but I just don't see why Luke had to die. It just doesn't flow well as the ending. I would have preferred the movie ending with Luke on Ach-To realizing and accepting his renewed purpose instead of dying.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

So the galactic empire wanted to kill Yoda?

I guess that means the First Order wanted to give Luke a surprise birthday party.

Sure they thought he was dead but how long would that last with him helping the resistence?

If Yoda couldn't be a one man army due to a hostile environment then neither could Luke.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

One thing I don't get [BLACKOUT]is that if the projection trick was going to kill Luke anyway, why not just go there in person?[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Spider-Fan]

One thing I don't get [BLACKOUT]is that if the projection trick was going to kill Luke anyway, why not just go there in person?[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

He was a distraction. Had he been there in person, fighting the entire First Order himself, he may not have lasted as long, LOL. Plus, would have taken a lot of time to go from where he was to the fight. It was also quicker.

 

[Havok83]

One thing I don't get [BLACKOUT]is that if the projection trick was going to kill Luke anyway, why not just go there in person?[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

He may not have made it? Thats easy to explain. He may not have enough fuel in his ship to join the chase or even get there in time. Even if he did, he risks being shot down by The First Order. He also may not have known he was going to die. Not to mention that the point was to buy the Resistance time. He would have been slaughtered when the ships shot up his body but the trick allowed him to go on to fight Kylo and distract him

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

My reaction to Luke brushing off getting torpedoed by an AT AT firing squad:

"Oh damn that's bad ass. Dude is a legend."

Reaction to the revelation that Luke was projecting a illusion from across the galaxy.

"Oh wow, that was smooth. Luke played him."

Reaction from the binary sunset death scene.

*mixture of emotions from sadness, joy, respect, hope, etc with a feeling of completion*


That was my reaction. I guess I COULD'VE nitpicked if I was looking for nitpicks but I was fully invested in the movie by then TBH.

 

[wampa1]

One thing I don't get [BLACKOUT]is that if the projection trick was going to kill Luke anyway, why not just go there in person?[/BLACKOUT]

Because that way puts Kylo in a "hahah! I killed Luke Skywalker!" place as opposed to "Luke Skywalker, you son of a *****..."

 

[titansupes]

... Why do people keep saying the Walkers fired "torpedoes" at Luke? They were laser blasts.

 

[FunkMiller]

I'm an atheist.

There are more of us than people think t:

This isn’t the time or place for it, but I think there is a fascinating conversation to be had about how a person’s religious convictions - or lack thereof - affect how they perceive a narrative and its themes. Particularly in regards to the Star Wars saga, but also with characters like Superman, where heavy Christ parallels are often drawn.

 

[Brian Braddock]

My reaction to Luke brushing off getting torpedoed by an AT AT firing squad:

"Oh damn that's bad ass. Dude is a legend."

Reaction to the revelation that Luke was projecting a illusion from across the galaxy.

"Oh wow, that was smooth. Luke played him."

Reaction from the binary sunset death scene.

*mixture of emotions from sadness, joy, respect, hope, etc with a feeling of completion*


That was my reaction. I guess I COULD'VE nitpicked if I was looking for nitpicks but I was fully invested in the movie by then TBH.

Same here.

 

[LoganGambit87]

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"I said to Rian 'Jedi don't give up'. I mean even if he had a problem he would maybe take a year to regroup, but if he had made a mistake, he would try to right that wrong. So right there, we had a fundamental difference. But it's not my story anymore, it's someone else's story and Rian needed me to be a certain way to make the ending effective."

 

[Spider-Fan]

I don't get the point? Is it that Hamill disagrees with Johnson's direction? We already knew that. But, Hamill's opinion is not the only opinion and doesn't mean he is right that Johnson's direction of Luke was wrong.

 

[titansupes]

There are more of us than people think t:

This isn’t the time or place for it, but I think there is a fascinating conversation to be had about how a person’s religious convictions - or lack thereof - affect how they perceive a narrative and its themes. Particularly in regards to the Star Wars saga, but also with characters like Superman, where heavy Christ parallels are often drawn.

I'm sure there is. I'm in no way equipped to partake in said discussion, but I'll sure read the crap out of it.

 

[wampa1]

also with characters like Superman, where heavy Christ parallels are often drawn.

I'm sick of the Superman / Christ allegory. Superman isn't Jesus; he's Moses.