The Last Jedi Luke Skywalker's role in "The Last Jedi": Did you like it?

[InCali]

Yoda and Obi Wan weren't part of force strong royalty.

They were most likely "randoms".

These concepts of royal-chosen one legacies and elitism always end up cursing the jedi more than anything else.

We don't know enough to think one way or the other. Yoda, in particular, had a very high concentration of midichlorians. Maybe he got a transfusion or something.....

 

[FunkMiller]

Every time I read someone post that, I think - "You're not playing right....I'm taking my ball and going home."

I can understand someone not liking the movie (different strokes for different folks)....but to say you are done with a series as long as this after one movie doesn't satisfy you....I don't get that.

It’s the “I personally don’t like this movie so therefore it’s terrible, and the audience and critics are idiots for liking it,” attitude that makes me very tired. It’s like it’s not enough for you to not like it... nobody should like it.

 

[P Supreme]

Yoda and Obi Wan weren't part of force strong royalty.

They were most likely "randoms".

These concepts of royal-chosen one legacies and elitism always end up cursing the jedi more than anything else.

agreed but the way the OT and then awakens sets it up they it will be
Ben Solo vs Rey skywalker and I so was looking forward to that but that is my fault for joining in the prediction discussions for 2 years and coming to a strong belief that where the story was going I set myself for failure

and a failure this was

 

[P Supreme]

It’s the “I personally don’t like this movie so therefore it’s terrible, and the audience and critics are idiots for liking it,” attitude that makes me very tired. It’s like it’s not enough for you to not like it... nobody should like it.

I never stated "how is this being loved" I said very specifically I'M DONE
not that everybody should follow I love that this generation has it's own star wars to look forward too I truly am

 

[InCali]

agreed but the way the OT and then awakens sets it up they it will be
Ben Solo vs Rey skywalker and I so was looking forward to that but that is my fault for joining in the prediction discussions for 2 years and coming to a strong belief that where the story was going I set myself for failure

and a failure this was

We just don't know for sure one way or the other. It's looking less likely for sure, but still.....

 

[wampa1]

I said very specifically I'M DONE

I'll bet you any money you like you're not.

 

[InCali]

I'll bet you any money you like you're not.

Sure he is. If it isn't Rey Skywalker v Kylo, it's not worth watching.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

What about Kylo? He's certainly Skywalker.

It still "may" (if you're talking about heroes). We just don't know yet. Kylo may not end up evil or Rey could, gasp, still be a Skywalker (in which case Kylo isn't just evil, he's also sort of a pervert).

If all you're interested in is the Skywalker legacy, you were bound to fall of this wagon at some point because I think creative choice demand an expansion of the characters. Skywalkers may always play a role, but it'll be much more interesting to bring in characters from other "Walks" of life (pardon the bad pun).

Leia is also still alive.

 

[Brother Jack]

Luke's greatest victory in the OT, the act that defeated the Emperor and turned Vader, was self-sacrificial nonviolence. He gives himself up to Vader on an apparent suicide mission which culminates to him laying down the sword, willing to die. There was always going to be a tension between that Luke and a Jedi master Luke who's cutting down adversaries by the dozen. The force projection was a way of bridging those two visions, allowing for a version of the badass Jedi master while still adhering to that ethic of peace keeping. He gets to fight without fighting.

 

[InCali]

Leia is also still alive.

 

[P Supreme]

We just don't know for sure one way or the other. It's looking less likely for sure, but still.....

yeah it could still be that but I'm not holding my breath for it but again to dangle that carrot for another 2 years ???

I'm not going to invest the time hopefully JJ can come in and conclude the story he started but Johnson left him crap on his lap IMO

 

[FunkMiller]

I never stated "how is this being loved" I said very specifically I'M DONE
not that everybody should follow I love that this generation has it's own star wars to look forward too I truly am

Wasn’t a comment aimed at you, dude. Sorry if it came across that way.

 

[Brian Braddock]

It’s the “I personally don’t like this movie so therefore it’s terrible, and the audience and critics are idiots for liking it,” attitude that makes me very tired. It’s like it’s not enough for you to not like it... nobody should like it.

Yep. I've got two close friends and a work colleague intimating that I'm some kind of a lesser fan because I enjoyed the movie and where it went. Absolutely does my head in.

 

[P Supreme]

Wasn’t a comment aimed at you, dude. Sorry if it came across that way.

oh ok I thought it was sorry bud

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

People have all kinds of weird to legitimate reasons for liking and disliking TLJ.

There is no objectively right answer and no way to determine which side has more fair minded and thoughtful fans.

But LucasFilm is in the best place possible going into episode 9: movie goers and critics are happy while fanboys passionately debate episode 8.

Well played.

 

[C. Lee]

The title of the series is STAR WARS.....not SKYWALKERS. It was inevitable that at some time or another different people would be the leads.

 

[KingCheops]

Luke's greatest victory in the OT, the act that defeated the Emperor and turned Vader, was self-sacrificial nonviolence. He gives himself up to Vader on an apparent suicide mission which culminates to him laying down the sword, willing to die. There was always going to be a tension between that Luke and a Jedi master Luke who's cutting down adversaries by the dozen. The force projection was a way of bridging those two visions, allowing for a version of the badass Jedi master while still adhering to that ethic of peace keeping. He gets to fight without fighting.

Holy **** dude you just blew my mind.

 

[BatLobster]

The thing is Luke (and later Anakin) were always sort of meta in that they were Lucas himself. Especially Luke, down to the name.

If George hadn't sold Lucasfilm, he could've still had creative control over 7, 8 and 9 and it very likely would've been the traditional Skywalker saga that a lot of us were assuming we'd get. But he did sell it, which had to be very bittersweet for him. Probably more bitter once he realized they were going to throw out his ideas.

I feel like the Lucas/Luke parallel continues a bit in TLJ. Lucas shut himself off from Star Wars. Luke shut himself off from The Force.

Which makes the ending kind of the ultimate tribute to Lucas, in a sense.

 

[InCali]

The title of the series is STAR WARS.....not SKYWALKERS. It was inevitable that at some time or another different people would be the leads.

Star WArs
Sky WAlker

Coincidence? I don't think so.....

 

[C. Lee]

Star WArs
Sky WAlker

Coincidence? I don't think so.....

Daayyyuuhhhmmmmmmmm....right before my eyes the whole time.

 

[Adhesive Boy]

Oh the TLJ fans are the worst kind of fans?

Because of strawmen arguments? But then you make numerous, unfair overgeneralizations.

In fact, you are one of the few in this thread to make things personal.

Pot meet kettle.

You are obviously not a fair judge if you ignore the fact that TLJ haters have the alt right and MRA's goading you and cheering you on.

Not that there aren't some solid criticisms but drop the sanctimonious condescension.

And to your actual film criticism, TLJ is not lazy imo. It gave Luke a redemption heavy swan song and wrapped it up with the stand off that lived up to the legend of the master jedi without giving us god Luke like many wanted.

Elderly master Jedi's aren't gods. Obi Wan and Yoda displayed impressive force powers but they weren't generals taking out armies like their glory days.

Their final acts are as zen and peaceful as they are essential to helping the main protagonist.

You managed to get that TLJ fans are the worst kind of fans from my post? That kind of dramatic interpretation disqualifies you from all complaints about being condescending. Pot meet kettle indeed.

Which poster have i gotten personal about?

You also seem to be talking about people with zero relevance to this forum while I'm talking about the people here that tried to explain away and diminish negative opinions. You're free to show me which people that post alt-right posts etc, ut if you can't your ramblings are as relevant and productive as looking at what movies criminals like and try to make a point about it. I'm not interested in such nonsense so take that to someone else.

You're free to think what you want but I think breaking fundamental attributes of a character just so you can get the story where you want it is incredibly lazy.

I don't want force gods either, I'm fine with the OT level of Jedi.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I still don't think the narrative is sitting all that well with Hamill. They should have taken his criticisms on board... He makes it clear he's not the lead, so its not like he was simply pushing for more screentime. This says it all - ''Jake Skywalker'':

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[InCali]

People have all kinds of weird to legitimate reasons for liking and disliking TLJ.

There is no objectively right answer and no way to determine which side has more fair minded and thoughtful fans.

But LucasFilm is in the best place possible going into episode 9: movie goers and critics are happy while fanboys passionately debate episode 8.

Well played.

Yeah. Disney is NOT worried about a BvS -> JL financial fiasco. They're going to be spending a lot more time counting their money.

It's a shame too because I rather liked JL. It just got kicked in the teeth by BvS.

As far as TLJ goes, I'm a huge SW freak. I took a vacation day off work and was in the theater for a 5am show on opening day at the Chinese Theater IMAX with my 10th row center seat ticket that I bought like a month before it opened. for the life of me, I don't understand why people have a problem with the changes Luke went through. I find it a lot more interesting when characters are stressed and pulled before finding their center again. I don't see Luke's fundamental character as having changed, but certainly his actions did. I actually like that idea and I liked TLJ better than TFA. It wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I thought it was well done.

 

[Mad Ones]

The more I reflect on Luke in the movie the more I love his character (and the movie itslelf, despite problems with other parts of it).

 

[InCali]

I still don't think the narrative is sitting all that well with Hamill. They should have taken his criticisms on board... He makes it clear he's not the lead, so its not like he was simply pushing for more screentime. This says it all - ''Jake Skywalker'':

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I hear what he's saying. The guy he played wouldn't have done X, Y, or Z. That's cool. The people I know might under the right circumstances. I'm sure this isn't the first time people have had creative differences. It doesn't make one right or one wrong; be they the actor or the director.