Magneto on superheroes

[Chris Wallace]

I don't know if you've seen this, but I just read a quote in Starlog in which Sir Ian McKellan described all superheroes outside of the X-Men as being interchangeable; that they're basically wimps putting on these outfits to indulge their own fantasies, whereas there's nothing fantastic about being a mutant. They're born into this, & wear the outfits out of a need.
Discuss.

 

[Abaddon]

Sounds like he's saying that other superheroes aren't about anything.They don't support a cause,and they aren't being ostracized or persecuted.Mutants are on the brink of a genetic war and they wear costumes just as soldiers would.


I think.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That was pretty much what he was getting at, yeah.

 

[Abaddon]

I'm not sure if I agree.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Neither do I.
But I can see someone's logic w/o going completely along with it.

 

[aidol]

yeah i think they are all interchangeable besides the x-men....no one really knows who they are unless they are big.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That's not what he meant; in fact he said that Superman, Spider-man & James Bond are all essentially the same character, in that they aren't driven by the same force as the X-Men.

 

[Super Flight]

ian is so gay, what does he know about spider-man, superman and batman, NOTHING, they're great charactors, better then magneto, he should stop bad mouthing them, ians the wimp

 

[Chris Wallace]

His sexuality has nothing to do with his opinions. And there is some merit to his basic argument.

 

[LostSon88]

ian is so gay, what does he know about spider-man, superman and batman, NOTHING, they're great charactors, better then magneto, he should stop bad mouthing them, ians the wimp

Was this really necessary?

Chillout fanboy.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Was this really necessary?

NO.

 

[RaisingStorm]

ian is so gay, what does he know about spider-man, superman and batman, NOTHING, they're great charactors, better then magneto, he should stop bad mouthing them, ians the wimp

Super Flight coments are really nasty and immature, like being Gay equals being stupid, dumb or wrong, I say Super Flight is plain Ignorant, thats all I have to say about him. I think the Moderators of this Boards should apply some kind of censorship to this type of nasty coments, they can be very offensive, that is as bad as saying the "N" word, is basically a direct offense to any Gay person part of this comunity, I've seen people being censored for less...I dont get it.


I kind of agree and dissagree at the same time with Sir Ian, I say KIND OF, I see where his point of view comes from, X Men is the only superhero comic rooted with deep social issues, nobody has ever done that before, I guess he gives more validity to the fact that socially speaking, a mutant's situation is as close as a Black's, a gay's...etc. Racism, discrimination, predjudice, as where other heroes stand as their own, and there is not much to relate, I see myself feeling like mutant in a regular, but I really dont find myself relating to Batman, nor superman. Now, where I do disagree with Sir Ian is that he is generalizing every single hero outside the x men, I think Fantastic Four has a fair share of family issues and values, and Spiderman as Peter parker is our average college boy that has to juggle his life and his responsibilities, I might go far and dare to say, that yes I agree with him when it comes to most DC superheroes, thats are fantasy, and they are loved, and beutiful, and wonderful and too perfect, which might give them the look of non relateable or kind of lame, we as fans love to relate to our heros in one way or another, I am not saying I believe I can control weather or pull claws from my knuckles, but I can tell you what it feels to be discriminated for who or how I am just like mutants do (sheesh we just saw a display of that type of discrimination from Super Flight) and I know nothing about being a spoiled brat with issues that becomes a hero, or what it feel like to come from another planet, again is my hones opinion, I still believe it is a bit of a narrow opinion from Sir Ian.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Super Flight coments are really nasty and immature, like being Gay equals being stupid, dumb or wrong, I say Super Flight is plain Ignorant, thats all I have to say about him. I think the Moderators of this Boards should apply some kind of censorship to this type of nasty coments, they can be very offensive, that is as bad as saying the "N" word, is basically a direct offense to any Gay person part of this comunity, I've seen people being censored for less...I dont get it.


I kind of agree and dissagree at the same time with Sir Ian, I say KIND OF, I see where his point of view comes from, X Men is the only superhero comic rooted with deep social issues, nobody has ever done that before, I guess he gives more validity to the fact that socially speaking, a mutant's situation is as close as a Black's, a gay's...etc. Racism, discrimination, predjudice, as where other heroes stand as their own, and there is not much to relate, I see myself feeling like mutant in a regular, but I really dont find myself relating to Batman, nor superman. Now, where I do disagree with Sir Ian is that he is generalizing every single hero outside the x men, I think Fantastic Four has a fair share of family issues and values, and Spiderman as Peter parker is our average college boy that has to juggle his life and his responsibilities, I might go far and dare to say, that yes I agree with him when it comes to most DC superheroes, thats are fantasy, and they are loved, and beutiful, and wonderful and too perfect, which might give them the look of non relateable or kind of lame, we as fans love to relate to our heros in one way or another, I am not saying I believe I can control weather or pull claws from my knuckles, but I can tell you what it feels to be discriminated for who or how I am just like mutants do (sheesh we just saw a display of that type of discrimination from Super Flight) and I know nothing about being a spoiled brat with issues that becomes a hero, or what it feel like to come from another planet, again is my honest opinion, I still believe it is a bit of a narrow opinion from Sir Ian.

The funny thing about Super Flight's remarks is that the basic underlying theme of X-Men is intolerance.
But in fairness, Spider-Man did start out as a wimp, & putting on the costume is a way of indulging his fantasies. His personality changes behind that mask. Wolverine is Wolverine no matter what he's wearing. This is the argument I raise every time some fanboy complains about the movie costumes not being closer to the comics; The X-Men aren't defined by their costumes. Superman, Spider-Man & Batman are. Why do you think there's such an uproar every time one of those 3 guys gets a new look? Why do you think that every time they end up right back in their classic threads? But how many costumes has Storm worn? Or Cyclops? How many times have they gone into action in their civvies? They are an entirely different breed of superhero.

 

[RaisingStorm]

The funny thing about Super Flight's remarks is that the basic underlying theme of X-Men is intolerance.
But in fairness, Spider-Man did start out as a wimp, & putting on the costume is a way of indulging his fantasies. His personality changes behind that mask. Wolverine is Wolverine no matter what he's wearing. This is the argument I raise every time some fanboy complains about the movie costumes not being closer to the comics; The X-Men aren't defined by their costumes. Superman, Spider-Man & Batman are. Why do you think there's such an uproar every time one of those 3 guys gets a new look? Why do you think that every time they end up right back in their classic threads? But how many costumes has Storm worn? Or Cyclops? How many times have they gone into action in their civvies? They are an entirely different breed of superhero.

Totally right, comes to show who are the real "mutants" and who are the real "humans" in our society.

Now regarding the coments of Sir Ian, they have a saying where I come from that goes "th clothes dont make you, you make the clothes" and you're right, spiderman batman and even superman, they had to hide behind their masks, behind their alter egoes, as civilians they would be at times insecure, but behind the mask they where then those SUPER heroes, like if the mask and the outfit gives them the ilusion of inhibition. I have seen several X Men characters with at least 8 diferent uniforms, and then their own outfits, and then as civilians, and I have never felt like (dependeing on what they were wearing) they were eaither Ororo or Storm at the moment, I can see storm in her Uniform and be like, Oh there goes Ororo, or like we saw a lot in the movie, she in regular Clothes and being called Storm, as where if I see Kal-El in civilian clothes, then that's Clark Kent, but if I see him with the blue outfit and the red cape, thats superman. I can totally see Sir Ian's Point, I love this kind of Threads!!!!

 

[Chris Wallace]

His point is easy to see, if you don't just rush to your beloved character's defense.

 

[Abaddon]

Super Flight coments are really nasty and immature, like being Gay equals being stupid, dumb or wrong, I say Super Flight is plain Ignorant, thats all I have to say about him. I think the Moderators of this Boards should apply some kind of censorship to this type of nasty coments, they can be very offensive, that is as bad as saying the "N" word, is basically a direct offense to any Gay person part of this comunity, I've seen people being censored for less...I dont get it.

While his comment was childish,Ian is gay. That's just a fact,and there's nothing offensive about it. It just had nothing to do with the argument.

 

[Chris Wallace]

That he may be, but it has no bearing on his knowledge of comic books or anything else. It's as if to say his opinion doesn't matter because of his sexuality.