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"Make America Great Again!": The TRUMP Thread!!! - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

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So anyone think this recount thing will affect anything?
It doesn't seem like it will do anything in regards to the electoral college and Trump's presidency; the electoral votes that push Trump over the 270 needed come mostly from states without any real question as to how they swung.

However, there is a major impact in could have on the way politicians in the administration handle themselves, and in the way Democrats and more moderate Republicans act in Congress. It looks like she will have won the popular vote by considerably more than Gore did vs Bush; almost four times in fact. What this could mean is that Republicans thinking long term about their own careers, and Democrats looking for Hope in the future, know that Trump didn't quite get a mandate as President; if he fails in any manner, there's political will to be appealed to in attacking him.

It could mean that Trump is more likely to be impeached, since it heavily implies he's heading a bare majority coalition, and we know other Republicans wouldn't mind seeing him gone. If they think they can remain in power, or that the people who voted Trump will stick with Pence and their Congressional majorities if he's gone, then he may have a muzzle on him.
 
It doesn't seem like it will do anything in regards to the electoral college and Trump's presidency; the electoral votes that push Trump over the 270 needed come mostly from states without any real question as to how they swung.

However, there is a major impact in could have on the way politicians in the administration handle themselves, and in the way Democrats and more moderate Republicans act in Congress. It looks like she will have won the popular vote by considerably more than Gore did vs Bush; almost four times in fact. What this could mean is that Republicans thinking long term about their own careers, and Democrats looking for Hope in the future, know that Trump didn't quite get a mandate as President; if he fails in any manner, there's political will to be appealed to in attacking him.

It could mean that Trump is more likely to be impeached, since it heavily implies he's heading a bare majority coalition, and we know other Republicans wouldn't mind seeing him gone. If they think they can remain in power, or that the people who voted Trump will stick with Pence and their Congressional majorities if he's gone, then he may have a muzzle on him.

You know what I'm scared of most? That Trump somehow pulls off a Reagan. What I mean is his presidency ends up being pretty damn successful (in the short-term). Thanks to Reagan we had years of trickle down economics which any economist worth their salts says is unequivocal BS (a large part of the blame for our current economic disparity starts here), our unions are weaker than ever, mentally ill folks are homeless by the thousands not receiving the treatment they need thanks to all asylums being closed due to a few very bad eggs, and things of that nature.

Trump has a lot of short sighted BS planned that may do some actual good in the short term but cut to 20 years down the road when the full effects are a felt as well as able to be quantized and I can not imagine the end result to be anything but a massive failure.
 
I think millennials need to flood Texas and Florida over the next four years.

Who needs the rust belt states when you can win Texas and Florida in the general?
 
Well, it looks like what little federal funds public schools can get will be drying up. Betsy Devos looks to be Sec of Education.
 
Well, it looks like what little federal funds public schools can get will be drying up. Betsy Devos looks to be Sec of Education.

Her brother is the founder of Blackwater believe it or not and he gave like $100,000 to the Trump campaign.
 
You know what I'm scared of most? That Trump somehow pulls off a Reagan. What I mean is his presidency ends up being pretty damn successful (in the short-term). Thanks to Reagan we had years of trickle down economics which any economist worth their salts says is unequivocal BS (a large part of the blame for our current economic disparity starts here), our unions are weaker than ever, mentally ill folks are homeless by the thousands not receiving the treatment they need thanks to all asylums being closed due to a few very bad eggs, and things of that nature.

Trump has a lot of short sighted BS planned that may do some actual good in the short term but cut to 20 years down the road when the full effects are a felt as well as able to be quantized and I can not imagine the end result to be anything but a massive failure.

Reagan being blamed for the mental institutions closing is pretty much a myth. It was really John F. Kennedy's Community Health Act that got the ball rolling on this. The creation of Medicaid also incentivized the closure of institutions as states tried to move patients out of state ran institutions and into the community where the federal government could pick up the tab for their care. Kennedy meant well as he recognized that mental institutions needed reform after seeing his own sister so abused by the system. Reagan gave up on the program that wasn't working and just gave block grants to the states to have more freedom to spend on mental health programs in the form of block grants. You also had the ACLU and NYCLU that fought for patients' rights that hampered the ability for city and state officials to institutionalize the seriously ill. Look at the case of Ed Koch and Billie Boggs. There was obviously a middle ground here to protect the mentally ill from being taken advantage here but the civil rights groups took an extreme position.
 
Reagan being blamed for the mental institutions closing is pretty much a myth. It was really John F. Kennedy's Community Health Act that got the ball rolling on this. The creation of Medicaid also incentivized the closure of institutions as states tried to move patients out of state ran institutions and into the community where the federal government could pick up the tab for their care. Kennedy meant well as he recognized that mental institutions needed reform after seeing his own sister so abused by the system. Reagan gave up on the program that wasn't working and just gave block grants to the states to have more freedom to spend on mental health programs in the form of block grants. You also had the ACLU and NYCLU that fought for patients' rights that hampered the ability for city and state officials to institutionalize the seriously ill. Look at the case of Ed Koch and Billie Boggs. There was obviously a middle ground here to protect the mentally ill from being taken advantage here but the civil rights groups took an extreme position.

If you like Reagan so much, you might not be too happy to see this:

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...use-republicans-youre-no-longer-reagans-party

Its Trump's party now.
 
I mean...we will see how this plays out but there are reasons why I didn't vote for Trump and never supported him.

To be fair Reagan has been dead for a long time and I think Republicans spent too much time venerating him. Whether you like him or not, his day has long since past and a move away from his legacy was inevitable. Dems don't bring up JFK or FDR nearly as much. I think a new infrastructure project would have happened sooner or later.

However the GOP is in uncharted waters with Trump, they now have to no one to blame but themselves for Trump's mistakes, there is nothing to stop the GOP, except the GOP. We shall see if the GOP is willing to take responsibility for that and not try to blame someone else for his errors. I also think Trump created a lot of fault lines in the GOP during his rise to power and while victory has papered over those fault lines for now, Trump is petty and some members of the GOP can't stand him. I am curious to see what will actually get done under this government.

Let's face it the GOP helped create Trump with some of their rhetoric and the Fox News impact on the political landscape. Now Trump is actually riding a global trend of right populism in the West and the Dems and Clinton did little to counter it, but frankly Trump is the Fox News candidate, the infotainment candidate, they made him the nominee, so ultimately anything he does is on their heads, good or bad.
 
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I don't think Trump is as petty as people make him to be as seen by him appointing Nikki Haley in his cabinet and seriously considering Mitt Romney for Secretary of State.

I disagree especially when you look at Reagan's recovery vs Obama if anything he's just as relevant today. We saw some tremendous economic growth during Reagan's recovery and sustained growth following. Growth that we just didn't see in Obama's recovery. Plus one of the biggest drivers in the Obama recovery was from low interest rates something that was a part of Reaganomics.
 
I don't think Trump is as petty as people make him to be as seen by him appointing Nikki Haley in his cabinet and seriously considering Mitt Romney for Secretary of State.

I disagree especially when you look at Reagan's recovery vs Obama if anything he's just as relevant today. We saw some tremendous economic growth during Reagan's recovery and sustained growth following. Growth that we just didn't see in Obama's recovery. Plus one of the biggest drivers in the Obama recovery was from low interest rates something that was a part of Reaganomics.

His era was still back in the 80s, you can't just recreate economic conditions from 30 years ago now. Young people are not going to be excited for someone who was President before they were born. I am not even passing judgment on him, I am saying something simple, things change, the past becomes the past and for good or ill, Reagan's legacy is now the past, its not the future and its not something you can bring up forever, it holds no currency with the younger generations. FDR and JFK are in the past, Dems mention them occasionally, but not all the time, that is where Reagan belongs.

Frankly I would argue the rust belt people have moved away from it, they feel left behind by free trade and have embraced economic protectionism and the GOP did nothing to stop it, I don't think these rust belt people necessarily want free trade and smaller government at all costs, unless you can tell them how that will give them their jobs back. Trump did not run on smaller government per say, he just ran on a different government priorities then past government, his infrastructure plan, will cost something and the GOP either has to accept that is the message they won on or try to fight him on this. I do think his supporters are in for a shock though, I am not sure Trump's policies can close the income gap.

Also we shall see how truly forgiving Trump is, a few early signs of a change, doesn't mean the leopard has changed its spots. I think some Republicans may still have hard feelings and there is still big policy divisions in the party, I am not sure if the GOP is a party of hawks or isolationists, for example.
 
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Thanks to Reagan we had years of trickle down economics which any economist worth their salts says is unequivocal BS (a large part of the blame for our current economic disparity starts here)

I think Trickle down economics gets to much blame for many of our issues today. That being said I think the one thing it had a huge influence on was increasing our national debt. My guess is if we had higher taxes, not much would have changed other then the National Debt would be much lower.
 
I think Trickle down economics gets to much blame for many of our issues today. That being said I think the one thing it had a huge influence on was increasing our national debt. My guess is if we had higher taxes, not much would have changed other then the National Debt would be much lower.

Agreed.
 
The Recount won't do anything unfortunately.

Trump will probably divorce his wife sooner or later (for being too old I suspect) so she shouldn't get comfy in the first lady role.... and Ivanka's probably going to get caught doing something dodgy with her access to state meetings and whatnot.
 
I think Trickle down economics gets to much blame for many of our issues today.

You're right. The concept of trickle down economics is solid. The blame falls of the greedy people getting those tax cuts hoarding the money instead of reinvesting it into their businesses to create jobs, raise wages, and improve the economy in general. Instead, they reinvest it in making more money for them while telling the rest of the country that we're lazy for not being rich like them.
 
You're right. The concept of trickle down economics is solid. The blame falls of the greedy people getting those tax cuts hoarding the money instead of reinvesting it into their businesses to create jobs, raise wages, and improve the economy in general. Instead, they reinvest it in making more money for them while telling the rest of the country that we're lazy for not being rich like them.

That is a big problem with the theory. Trump could give a massive tax cut to some factory owner and that guy could spend it on automating his factory, with hardly any new jobs created. Unless you attach strings to the tax cuts somehow, trickle down economics will not work.

That is why I think Trump's economic policies will fail, he and the GOP never took these facts into consideration.
 
Because "trickle down economics" was a lie in the first place.

It was, and is, an economic system designed to benefit those at the top. It was never meant to "trickle down".
 
Because "trickle down economics" was a lie in the first place.

It was, and is, an economic system designed to benefit those at the top. It was never meant to "trickle down".

Its not sustainable though, the income gap is going to drive down the consumer base for the US and that will impact everyone, especially those rust belt voters who voted for Trump, hoping to get better jobs out of this.

Populists are great at promising stuff, actually delivering is where they trip up.

I think parts of the US public will only stop buying into trickle down economics through exposure therapy and Trump may give them just that.
 
Trump doesn't give a crap about rust belt voters once he's got their vote, though.
 
Trump doesn't give a crap about rust belt voters once he's got their vote, though.

That is likely true, but I hope these voters realize they have been had and either demand change or change their voting patterns next election cycle.
 
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