Mark Millar's Many Thoughts On Superman

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It's beyond stupid to immediately think that the Superman Returns sequel automatically equals ass and vice versa.

The sequel could be terrible or amazing. No.one.knows! Get a brain and stop running around saying, "It'll suck" or "It'll be great!"

To quote some trolls here, "You're just gonna have to wait and see when it opens..."
 
It's beyond stupid to immediately think that the Superman Returns sequel automatically equals ass and vice versa.

The sequel could be terrible or amazing. No.one.knows! Get a brain and stop running around saying, "It'll suck" or "It'll be great!"

To quote some trolls here, "You're just gonna have to wait and see when it opens..."

What are you talking about? Actually never mind. You're ignored for the future.
 
the comments Millar made on what he would with Superman were for a comic book reboot, not a film. He posted them on his forum in 2004. It just gives us a rough idea on what he would do if he ever wrote a Superman movie.

Thank you for clearing that up. I had read his take on Superman a while ago, and found his depiction of Lois to be totally crazy and OFF. My only problem with Millar is he I think he's a Lois-hater, which doesn't bode well for my fav female lady. Yet, I wouldn't mind him taking a crack at a restart. At this point, nothing could be worse than SR....IMO.

What exactly did Millar do for Wanted? Did he really do anything, or is he just popping off at the mouth...which is kind of what he always does?
 
I agree with you. And I don`t think someone will handle the Lois & Clark relationship better than what was done in Lois & Clark. That was just perfect, IMO. From rivals to romance. I think a Superman movie should definitely be influenced by what was great in that series.
 
I agree with you. And I don`t think someone will handle the Lois & Clark relationship better than what was done in Lois & Clark. That was just perfect, IMO. From rivals to romance. I think a Superman movie should definitely be influenced by what was great in that series.

:applaudThat is my opinion as well. Thank you for saying that. Now I know I'm not the only one who thinks that.

I like the article I read on the boards about Nolan taking the good from the mythos surrounding Batman. I don't know if TDK is going to be the **** like everyone says it is, but if it is then I hope everyone who says Singer was right for ignoring the comics and all the other stuff about Superman...will...idk...shut up.
 
He also watched the Fleischers cartoons, and the George Reeves tv show, and I'm sure Dan read some of the comics.

I think he only looked at the Fleischer cartoons and the George Reeves TV series for ideas on how to design the costume, and, if Dan did read any of the comics, he didn't read enough IMO.

I strongly dislike what Singer did on SR and don't feel that a new hand could do much worse (other than the Burton proposal and the suit-in-a-can script).

:huh:.

Superman is just a totally diferent character and Dc a completely different universe and requires a man with a knowledge outside of the Donner movies to understand that.

Agreed.

I disagree on both counts.

That implies that she made two points in that post. I only saw one.

he turned Superman into a lonely, ****ed up, isolated wretch. To make matters worse, he turned him into a deadbeat dad and super stalking lurker.

I feel extremely passionate about Supes at times, so it galled me to that happen to him...on the big screen:cmad:

Agreed.

Superman Reboot = ?

Hopefully not before I finish writing mine, :woot:!

I think people like:

Christopher McQuarrie, David Hayter, Orci and Kurtzman, and David Goyer would be able to tackle a sequel no problem.

Christopher McQuarrie is too close to Bryan Singer, IMO.

David Hayter is too close to Bryan Singer, IMO.

Neither Roberto Orci nor Alex Kurtzman have ever written anything that I have any real respect for. And yes, I know that they've written Star Trek together, and that makes me sad, :(.

I think the GP liked this film more than the fans.

I believe that when it comes to making a comic book movie, the fans should be the top priority. In writing my script, my primary aim is to please a significantly large majority of the fans. The general audience is taking second place.

the character got left adrift.

Agreed.

I don`t think someone will handle the Lois & Clark relationship better than what was done in Lois & Clark. That was just perfect, IMO. From rivals to romance. I think a Superman movie should definitely be influenced by what was great in that series.

That was never my favourite Superman adaptation, but I will admit that I thought it had its good points, especially this one,

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Why, oh why did she have to turn herself into a saggy, wrinkly old skeleton? :(.
 
I hope everyone who says Singer was right for ignoring the comics and all the other stuff about Superman...will...idk...shut up.

If it's right to ignore who Superman is when making a Superman movie, then what is the point of making a Superman movie? :whatever:.
 
That implies that she made two points in that post. I only saw one.

Really...look again.

It's going to be hard for any writer to create a great sequel from the poor story in SR.

I don't think it is going to be hard for any writer nor do I think SR had a poor story.

Christopher McQuarrie is too close to Bryan Singer, IMO.

David Hayter is too close to Bryan Singer, IMO.

Neither Roberto Orci nor Alex Kurtzman have ever written anything that I have any real respect for. And yes, I know that they've written Star Trek together, and that makes me sad,

It could be a situation where Hayter would get a story credit and then they bring in K&O to write the script. Just throwing their names out there. You may not like K&O but they are hot in hollywood right now.
 
I don't think it is going to be hard for any writer nor do I think SR had a poor story.

LOL...he's right. It was a double dig and sort of an inside joke because he knows I hate the story and depiction.
 
Really...look again.

I did look, this is what I saw,

It's going to be hard for any writer to create a great sequel from the poor story in SR.

That looks to me like one point. Anyway, I'd rather not argue with you over your, IMO, somewhat bizarre interpretation of a simple sentence. I can't for the life of me figure out how you could have separated that into two points, unless you were just trying to be funny.

You may not like K&O but they are hot in hollywood right now.

:(.

So true...so true...:cwink:

:cwink:.
 
LOL...he's right. It was a double dig and sort of an inside joke because he knows I hate the story and depiction.

The person it was intended for got it. :cwink:

I did look, this is what I saw,

That looks to me like one point. Anyway, I'd rather not argue with you over your, IMO, somewhat bizarre interpretation of a simple sentence. I can't for the life of me figure out how you could have separated that into two points, unless you were just trying to be funny.

Ah, OK, I get it now.
 
Mostpowerful said:
So true.

But you know what? I'm new to message boards (due only to SR, since I liked the film so much), but I think I kinda regret having done that; I've realized that people on message boards are so extreme and I see so much hyperbole here. I wish I never knew about places like this sometimes, my life was so much happier before it. I don't really understand all this hate for SR, all the people I know who saw it liked it, and some even love it, and they all agree that Brandon was perfect in the role.

Tha's the nature of the internet and message boards for ya.

Last year I took a break from these boards as all I saw was the same old discussions taking place. People going on and on about SR and it's merits and faults...If I see no future for MOS or any reboot, I might just go back to the Batman boards. I don't think I need to read through the same arguments over and over until WB decides what to do with the character.

DavidTyler said:
And, possibly, he may just be embarrassed by the costumes and just wanted to downplay them. He certainly downplayed Supes costume by darkening it and reducing the size of the chest emblem.

I think he went for a Fleischer-esque suit. I like it, but would like to see a more vibrant color for the cape for MOS. As for the size of Superman's chest emblem, that actually had to do with Routh's physique. I recall Migenbach (sp?) saying that a smaller emblem looked better on him, so that's what they used.
 
Some elements of the suit were obviously changed to fit Routh better.

If you watch the documentary on th SR Special Edition, the costume designer addresses the changes on suit and made a point of saying they had to work with the body that was given to them and what looked best on Routh.

For me personally the suit looked really good other than the red being far far too dark, and i could have done without the 's' on the belt.
 
I'd much rather see....anyone else on the project. He doesn't seem to "get" the basics of any version of Superman except the one that existed 50 years ago, and even that he doesn't seem to understand elements of. He gets the obvious stuff, but who doesn't?
 
Some elements of the suit were obviously changed to fit Routh better.

If you watch the documentary on th SR Special Edition, the costume designer addresses the changes on suit and made a point of saying they had to work with the body that was given to them and what looked best on Routh.

For me personally the suit looked really good other than the red being far far too dark, and i could have done without the 's' on the belt.

Yeah, I liked the suit. I never did mind the "S" on the belt. They do have to fix the red though, make it more vibrant. I expect MOS to be "brighter" overall, and it would be nice if the new suit reflected that new attitude, I guess.
 
Uh ... could we get back On Topic please? Instead of drifting onto the costume?
 
Yeah, I get that.

But I was speaking about his interview -- the subject of this post.

Also, let's judge this man's artistic integrity:

Look at what he allowed to happen to his own comic book novel, WANTED. Look at what he lauds and glorifies and says is so great.

That movie is "inspired loosely" by WANTED. Yet, he let his name be attached to it.

If he is so unfaithful to the source material in his OWN work, imagine how he'll be with someone else's?
i completely forgot about wanted.
yeah wanted was not like in the comics. but he doesnt care. because its hes work. but with superman it is a different story?
thanks for this post. not only was he acting like a 10yr fanboy to me....now he is a 100% hypocrite.
 
From Millarworld itself - Mark Millar's views on Superman and how he would *FIX* him....

On his connection to Batman: "[Superman and Batman are] both orphans. They absolutely understand each other and know that there's nobody else they can count on as much as they other. PS I know Superman isn't an orphan in this dreadful period he's been under seige (from 1986 until Hitchy and I fix him again), but the true understanding of the character is, like Bambi, he loses his Mum and Dad again. All the iconic heroes do whether it's Superman, Bambi or Batman."

On why Bryan Hitch is his ideal Superman collaborator: "Hitchy's even worse than me. Although he looks much older and has trouble sleeping through the night without a piss, Hitchy is only three weeks younger than me. Thus, we grew up on the same Cary Bates Superman comics aged 6-14. Exactly the same comics. We were also 8 years old when we saw Superman and Hitch, like me, can repeat the entire movie line for line. You should hear our daily phone chats. They're a hymn to Superman. Fixing this mess has been our destiny. It'll happen. Not for a while, but it'll happen."

On Clark Kent: "Clark is a pair of glasses. Superman doesn't need glasses. He puts on the glasses for no practical reason; just to dress up and pretend to be this mid-westwern guy he's not as a means of rubbing shoulders with the people on this planet. Superman would have thought he was human until puberty. Until maybe 12. The easiest way to understand it is to think of Jesus in the temple and the moment where his mother has to tell him the truth. He always knew he was different and alone. This is when it was all explained to him. He could still love his parents, but Clark is him trying to understand what humans are all about. As Elliot Maggin puts it, Clark Kent is a living, breathing work of art."

On Lois Lane: "Superman doesn't love Lois. Clark loves Lois and Superman tries HARD to love Lois, but he can't because she's the wrong species. But he tries. Again, Maggin sums it up beautifully. It doesn't have to be complicated... Clark loves Lois, Lois loves Superman, Superman loves Clark [...] Perfect. This is also one of the reasons Superman shouldn't be married to Lois. It's just stupid. It makes no sense and destroys the whole dynamic. Superman is God, Jor-El is the Holy Spirit and Clark Kent is Jesus. The Kents are Mary and Joseph and Lois is Mary Magdelene. She's the NYC girl who's ____ed her way around the city and found nobody who measures up. She's just had it with men and is focusing on her career... then Superman shows up. This is why Margot Kidder was perfect for the role and why Lois should be played by someone around 30 even if Supes is being played by a 25 year old. You'll see what I mean when we fix it."

On the current version of the character: "[Kingdom Come] is close to perfect. Waid gets it. None of the other American writers do, though Loeb comes close. His only weakness is getting caught up in the whole farmboy thing. The farm is where he grew up and knew he was NOTHING LIKE THESE PEOPLE. He affects it for the Clark persona, but that's it. He's as Kryptonian as Jesus is divine. Did Jesus shag Mary Mag? I don't think so. Superman should never shag Lois. It's insane and what happens when artists start touching tyoewriters. Jimmy is the reader-identification figure and the comedy relief. PS I'm saving everything else for the launch. No other ideas from me here, I'm afraid, in case some ____ nicks em."

On mixing metaphors: "No brimstone for Superman. He's interesting enough without it. He sees Earth the way immigrants saw America 100 years ago. He sees a chance for hope and a new life after losing his homeland as a kid. He loves people because he recognizes their great potential and, like Krypton, he wants to encourage them towards the Utopia his father sent him from. Forget Byrne. Read the Bible."

On the previous pitch Millar had made with Grant Morrison, Mark Waid and Tom Peyer: "The pitch we did was very late 90s and all the things I WOULDN'T do if Superman was being revamped now. It was nice, but it was the whole retro 60s thing that Grant's into as opposed to what I'd want to do myself. This thing was pretty good, but would be absolutely wrong for now. It still had Superman married to Lois and all that ____. There was another draft Mark Waid added with Earth getting a mind-wipe to forget that stuff and it had some nice touches, but I'd just start from scratch."

On how close Superman is to humanity: "Humans were apes less than 50 million years ago. Kryptonians are what we'd be like in 20 billion years. I have this all worked out as part of the proposal. In the last two years, I've filled two entire ring-binders with the plan. There's some AMAZING stuff in here. Hitch has also been doing little design doodles for the last five years. It's fate that we met."


This was Millar in an interview from 2004. ......originally from MILLARWORLD. It's a wizard interview.


that's great and that's deep and not superficial like Byrne's take.

I think Millar is the best we can get on Superman right now.
 
I'd much rather see....anyone else on the project. He doesn't seem to "get" the basics of any version of Superman except the one that existed 50 years ago, and even that he doesn't seem to understand elements of. He gets the obvious stuff, but who doesn't?

please explain what he "doesn't" get?!
 
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