Comics Marry Jane vs The Black-Cat The Good The Bad & The Poll

[Blackredens]

Black-Cat the Good

No Whining - No Whining about him Being Spider-Man actually supportive

Can Fight – Holds her Own in a Fight Saved Spider-Man’s life on more then one occasion.

Hot Looking- nuff said

No Whining – Can’t Stress this enough!

Fit’s Well With Spider-Man – Doesn’t have to Sit at home on the side lines crying She is more then capable to get right in the mix.

Non Judgmental - Never judges him and always tries to lift his spirit on being Spider-Man

Wild – She really is a Wild Card lots of room for story lines

Gets Spidey into Trouble – This has more to do with potentially good story lines then actually helping spidey. She puts Spidey into some interesting situations

Thick and Thin – In Amazing Spider-Man 230-343 the Chameleon and 6 other villains including the Scorpion and Tarantula used some funky machine to suppress Spiderman’s powers , (Mary Jane all to Happy) Left powerless the Black Cat has to defend him while he figures it out but while doing so it takes her powers away and Spider- Man smashes it before she can reverse it. (she pretty well gave up her powers for his.)

Black-Cat the Bad

Potentially Psychotic – Gone Crazy before more then likely do so again, (but aren’t all woman. crazy?)

Vindictive – Never let the Black-Cat cross you’re path, and Never Piss her off! In a string of bad cheezy story lines in Spectacular Spider-Man She teams up with the Foreigner (AKA Silver Sables EX husband) to frame Spider-Man, and she screws them bother over in the end.

Spoiled – The Black Cat Get what She wants When She wants it period.

Personality Shifts – She Starts off on the boarder on Good and Evil that won’t hurt you as long as you don’t get in her way even threatens to kill Spider-Man if he doesn’t back off before falling off the roof and she meant it!

Then she supposedly was psychotically in love with Spider-Man and Starts Stealing for him and even holds a someone at gun point.

Turns out she was faking it so she wouldn’t have to go to Jail. (Not so Evil anymore just wild!) escapes from mental institute robs a few guys asks Spider-Man out, after Asks to see all of his face he refuses, Then he tries to get amnesty for her at the same time she tries to frame him so he’ll be a thief like her!

After Saving New York from Doc Ock Spider-Man shows her who he is but now She doesn’t want to Know who he is?

Comes Back after Spider-Mans married and is psychotically in love with him for real this time, also turns out she was Date raped in “Kevin Smiths Evil that Men Do” in collage before becoming TBC, but Theirs a Time line problem in order for that to have happened she would have to be in collage at 16 so she Might have Been lying which sounds more like her. (and really doesn’t fit with her personality past, present or future, but then again nether does Spidey unmasking himself)

Mary Jane the Good

Mentally Stable – not going to go psycho on him anytime soon.

Always the Same - Been Pretty much the Same MJ from the get go (not to sure if this is good or Bad)

Spider man’s crutch – She’s their for him when he needs her and has come to rely on her support (flip side I found it better story telling when he was alone with his problems with no one to turn to.)

Works as a model – Nothing Wrong with that!

Thick and Thin– Stayed with him when most would have backed up and left (although the did separate so not to sure on this one anymore.)


Mary Jane the Bad

Whining!!! – She Knew who he was when she married him, yet every time he goes out she complains and even orders him not to go. (After 20 some odd years it gets tiring)

Sitting Duck – Pretty much has to stay on the side lines worrying every time and if some on finds her she’s toast.

Hyphenated Name – Pick a Damn Name!

Wants Spider Man to Quit! – She would love nothing more then for spider man to quit and live a normal life with her, she also seems to need to remind everyone of this EVERY MONTH! (unfortunately this also would make a boring comic)

Whining!!! – Can’t Stress this enough.

Done to Death! – MJ thing is old and has been dragged out especially when it takes you 25 years to age 5

Unable to have New Romance options – Being married to Mary Jane really puts a block in the road, she’s here to stay and you can’t get rid of her. MJ as an on again off again Girlfriend she has value as a wife she’s an obstacle.

Sealed Fate- More to do with the Baby and the Spider-Girl thing, you should never tell a story of someone’s future while telling the present because what he’s doing is already written and you are unable to change certain things.


What Peter Does When Mary Janes out of town lol

Final Thought – I’ve tried my best to outline them fairly but I just feel The Mary Jane thing has been done to Death! and is going nowhere fast. Like I said Mary Jane as an on again off again Girlfriend has value, as a wife she’s an obstacle. As For the Black-Cat ironically if not for some bad luck with cheesy storylines and a few writers that really didn’t know what to do with her She might be wearing Mary Jane’s Ring.

(Even tho I think He’s Been coming home on a few occasions with her lipstick on his collar as it is.)

 

[Blackredens]

Damn it susposed to be interest sorry not sure if I can fix that can't fix the marry to mary ether

 

[JLBats]

I really, really dislike Black Cat. She just comes off as the psychotic ****, fanboy wet dream to me.

 

[JLBats]

On the other hand, I've never read a story that truly delved into Black Cat's persona, and made her really three dimensional. I'm not sure there are enough mature writers in comics today to do it, but I'd like to see it. Frankly, anything that will get the supporting cast as good as it was way back when is a-okay by me.

Edit: Incidentally, the thought that Peter would cheat on MJ with Black Cat is just kind of... disgusting to me

 

[Effect]

I really, really dislike Black Cat. She just comes off as the psychotic ****, fanboy wet dream to me.

Glad I'm not the only one that thinks this and sees this as well.

 

[Blackredens]

I suggest you read amazing Spider-Man 194-195 and 226-227 to get a clear grasp of the person she is. I'd say 226-227 are better.

 

[WOLVERINE25TH]

Black Cat's th' girl ya screw.

MJ's th' gal ya marry.

 

[Effect]

Black Cat's th' girl ya screw.

MJ's th' gal ya marry.

That is if you get past the thoughts caused by Black Cat's apperance. Which could be the following; "Just how many guys has she slept with? Do I want to go there? etc....". If you get past that stage then I agree with yeah to a point.

Now that might not even be the case with her but come on. First impression of her, you can't help but think it I feel. It's not like her outward personality actually shoots down that impression either. It's a reasonable assumption to make with her.

 

[Venomfan]

Black Cat's th' girl ya screw.

MJ's th' gal ya marry.

at the same time MJ is arguably hotter, so u can do both with her
oh and i wanna be the first to say its Mary Jane, not Marry, not that it matters

 

[Venomfan]

somebody posted this in the fav spidery mj moment thread, just funny that it was posted the same day this thread was created

 

[The Caped Knight]

Mary Jane get's my vote hands down. She & Peter were Destined to be together .

 

[DACrowe]

That comic posted above was terrilbe for both. It posted a Black Cat that was out of character on the development she had in her relationship with Spidey (go read PPSM #76 for example) and her past. It also had a lousy ending. Read Mark Millar's run to see a better version of the tension between BC and MJ.

As characters I like BC she was fun and is an interesting character. She and Spidey had a good love/hate relationship and when working together were very fun and lightyears ahead of Batman/Catwoman who we've seen copied at DC recently with Catwoman joining the good fight with Bruce.

BUT

She is a ltitle too romantic and wild for Peter. Way too out there and way too gray for al ong relationship. They were never in love but infacuated wit hher, BC infacuated with Spidey's romantic image and heroism and courage and Spidey infacuated with...erm....BC's....uh....assets and willingess...to help out.

But MJ has CHANGED A LOT. Go reread what Stan Lee introduced in the early Spider-Man comics. Go read aSM #44 and #45 and how she interacts with the rest of the supporting cast. Read the famous GG drug issues, read ASM #122 and notice a change. Go see the issues where she reveals hte past she was hiding including knowing Pete's secrets she became much deeper and go see when she goes from party girl to true partner in ASM #292. Read the marriage issue. And read her in JMS' run. A much stronger character than BC.

Plus she is normal enough that she can be there for Peter and when their marriage is WRITTEN WELL he can be there for her. And when they are not, it is a strain on their marriage they have to work through (check out late-Michilline and early-DeMatthis). She is a much deeper and richer character to explore.

There is a reason that BC was only a lover for what.....about 3 or 4 years in the comics and the marriage has lasted 20 years in the comics now.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. This thread is very obviously slanted (the originla post anyways) towards BC.

Also, I'd like to point when BC first appeared in her two original stories by Mmarv Wolfman she really wasn't "a ****" but had a classiness about her. Even when dating Peter she was very romanticized and was hardly ****ty (the **** back then was Elektra) but after leaving Pete (or him leaving her) her return years later turned her into the "****ty Felicia" that again I point to the above issue as an example of. A reason I like Millar's run was while Dodson drew FElicia ****ty, she wasn't written merely as such though.

 

[gliderpilotgirl]

I really, really dislike Black Cat. She just comes off as the psychotic ****, fanboy wet dream to me.

Bravo

 

[spideylover89]

This has been done to death, but regardless, MJ still comes out on top.
Black Cat is like Horse Radish. She's a real kick in the start, but too much of her is just annoying a hell.

 

[spideylover89]

Fit’s Well With Spider-Man – Doesn’t have to Sit at home on the side
lines crying She is more then capable to get right in the mix.

You seems to be forgetting the Peter Parker aspect of Spider-man. Yeah she fits with spidey, but despite what she feels now, she did ditch him because Peter Parker wasn't the exciting hunk she thought spidey should be.

Gets Spidey into Trouble – This has more to do with potentially good story lines then actually helping spidey. She puts Spidey into some interesting situations

They've done this before and while it works a few times, it just gets annoying after a while. There are only so many times spidey can save her ass after she screws up before he realizes it's a bigger pain to have a sidekick around to worry about.

Spidey has been and always should be a loner hero. Even if he hooked up with Felicia as Peter Parker, she would ultimately become spider-man's sidekick. One or two issues featuring BC is fine, but to have her featured in every book would just plain suck.

Always the Same - Been Pretty much the Same MJ from the get go (not to sure if this is good or Bad)

Unfortunately Stan's MJ hasn't been around for a long time. She has changed a lot during the years, especially during Mackie's run (thanks for making her a ***** jackass!) but he did that intentionally in order to destroy her character. As for the current comics she's just kind of there. The writers suck at relationships so Pete and MJ aren't very interesting anymore. Maybe someone with some creativity will come along, but I highly doubt it.

Thick and Thin– Stayed with him when most would have backed up and left (although the did separate so not to sure on this one anymore.)

Once again bad writing because the EIC at the time and Mackie hated the fact that Pete was married and since killing her off didn't work, they split them up. Seriously though, try to tell me there isn't a couple out there who haven't had some problems, at least Pete and MJ worked them out.

Whining!!! – She Knew who he was when she married him, yet every time he goes out she complains and even orders him not to go. (After 20 some odd years it gets tiring)

Obviously your not reading the current books because that hasn't happened at all since JMS brought her back (as far as I can remember). In fact she's been pretty encouraging and willing to stand by Pete's side.

Sitting Duck – Pretty much has to stay on the side lines worrying every time and if some on finds her she’s toast.

Or he could have a wife like BC who would go head on into danger everyday and be just as vulnerable (she's not invincible) as the little sitting duck . Either way spidey's wives are screwed.

Hyphenated Name – Pick a Damn Name!

You've got to be kidding me.

Wants Spider Man to Quit! – She would love nothing more then for spider man to quit and live a normal life with her, she also seems to need to remind everyone of this EVERY MONTH! (unfortunately this also would make a boring comic)

What are you stuck in 1990? Once again she hasn't whined about him since JMS brought her back which was like a few years ago.

Done to Death! – MJ thing is old and has been dragged out especially when it takes you 25 years to age 5

Yeah you know your right. The Peter thing has been dragged out too man. I mean 40 years and he's only 28, that's reason enough to drop the books right there.

Unable to have New Romance options – Being married to Mary Jane really puts a block in the road, she’s here to stay and you can’t get rid of her. MJ as an on again off again Girlfriend she has value as a wife she’s an obstacle.

Yeah it really sucks when you're married and you can't date around. I mean Pete's a total swinger, he should be seeing three girls at once, screw the marriage routine (despitethe fact that Stan Lee's intention was for Pete to marry). And since when is that a fault in MJ's character? If he shacked up with BC like you obviously want, it would be the same way.

Sealed Fate- More to do with the Baby and the Spider-Girl thing, you should never tell a story of someone’s future while telling the present because what he’s doing is already written and you are unable to change certain things.

I got two words for you...

alternate reality

Final Thought – I’ve tried my best to outline them fairly but I just feel The Mary Jane thing has been done to Death! and is going nowhere fast. Like I said Mary Jane as an on again off again Girlfriend has value, as a wife she’s an obstacle. As For the Black-Cat ironically if not for some bad luck with cheesy storylines and a few writers that really didn’t know what to do with her She might be wearing Mary Jane’s Ring.

Do me a favor and look up the word obstacle. If you define a man's wife that he has been with for 20 years and loves very much and obstacle then something is wrong. First of all there was no way BC would have become his wife because the only reason MJ did was because Stan was hitching them in his comic strip. Felicia screwed Pete over badly and I doubt he would have propsed after that whole Foreigner incident.

Either way, if you had gotten your wish and BC would have become Pete's wife, what makes you think the marriage with her would be any different? The reason the Pete/MJ marriage has struggled is because hardly any of the spidey writers know how to write a real relationship. And as long as they don't know how to write a decent marriage, any girl would be boring as Pete's wife.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I just didn't like that Peter married Mary Jane. He should have kept having fun with Black Cat.

 

[Cyclops]

But was he having fun with Black Cat? I thought she was kinda wearing down on him over time. Black Cat always struck me as the girl you're interested in for like a week and then once you get to know her, you find all the nagging flaws and irritating aspects overwhelm everything else about her.

Felicia works best as a casual acquaintance. She and Peter are too radically different in personality to ever work out.

 

[SpideyInATree]

You can still have fun with her though. Obviously Black Cat still has a thing for him

 

[Corporal]

I think MJ is definetely better than black cat. MJ is definetely hotter and is not a **** and loves peter. And for whos hotter:

http://www.comicartfans.com/Images/Category_367/subcat_2743/campellgsmj.jpg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/75/amzng_smcov52.jpg
http://www.spilkerart.com/Sketchbook/SketchbookImages/sketchmaryjane.jpg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/23/BenesMJ.jpeg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/117/AHSpideyMJ2.jpg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/357/AdrianMJ.jpg
http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/117/MaryJane.jpg

Cmon shes a model! :P

 

[Cyclops]

You can still have fun with her though. Obviously Black Cat still has a thing for him

Yet does Peter really strike you as the type to be engaged in a long-term relationship that consists of nothing more than casual sex?

 

[The Infernal]

MJ's still the best choice for Peter no matter her faults. Your supposed disection of their good and bad is obviously biased because you just want BC to win.

Obviously MJ has went on quite a bit about her worries for Peter's safety as Spider-man. I doubt she wants to quit, she may think that sometimes but she still knows who he is at heart. Thing is though that because it's a comic book, many storylines will be around for a long time. Take Rogue's inability to touch or Rogue and Gambit's rocky romance. Both are stale subjects in a sense and should have been solved ages ago, but the writers haven't seemed to move past either.

Then there's the fact that Black Cat is never to be fully trusted, even by Peter. Even though she sometimes works with Peter as Spider-man, she's more often making money as a criminal. A fact that she's not ashamed of and flaunts it in front of Spider-man. Plus with her latest appearence it's fair to say that she's still in love with Spider-man, and not Peter.

 

[Dangerous]

That is if you get past the thoughts caused by Black Cat's apperance. Which could be the following; "Just how many guys has she slept with? Do I want to go there? etc....". If you get past that stage then I agree with yeah to a point.

Now that might not even be the case with her but come on. First impression of her, you can't help but think it I feel. It's not like her outward personality actually shoots down that impression either. It's a reasonable assumption to make with her.

Can't say I'd find that stuff a prob.

I’m not against the idea of Spidey getting back w/ BC as romantically that era (late seventies/ early eighties) was much more exciting. Killing MJ is a definite BAD IDEA tho.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

That is if you get past the thoughts caused by Black Cat's apperance. Which could be the following; "Just how many guys has she slept with? Do I want to go there? etc....". If you get past that stage then I agree with yeah to a point.

Now that might not even be the case with her but come on. First impression of her, you can't help but think it I feel. It's not like her outward personality actually shoots down that impression either. It's a reasonable assumption to make with her.

so? what are you, stuck in the fifties?? Men and women are free to have equally promiscuous sex lives these days. One might say it just means she's more sexually experienced and so a better ****, non? I don't think such arguments should be used tbh.

 

[Effect]

Sure men and women are free to have equally promiscuous sex lives. Doesn't mean that it's actually certain (as in fact) it's a good thing and that depends on how each person sees as such. For example take porn. You have guys and some women that would love to have sex with certain porn stars. That might be fine for them but I myself would just feel dirty doing that based on how many guys and women these people have had sex with and how easily they can sell their bodies. I have more respect for my own body. It can also just be my own moral feelings which can differ from person to person I feel. I'm not overly religious either (I don't really think one has to be married to have sex mind you) but I just feel that for an act such as sex, which is an extremely personal event and you leave yourself extremely and completely vulnerable that it should be done with more care and more feeling behind it instead of just seeking personal pleasure. I wouldn't want to share that experience with just anyone.

I would never want to be treated as being a number or be seen if only by myself as one of the many guys a woman has slept with. I'm sorry if that makes me think I'm stuck in some different era. Just how I think about the situation.