Marvel July '07 Solicitations

yup... starting to really dislike she-hulk.
 
yup... starting to really dislike she-hulk.
Seriously, **** the government and help your cousin exact revenge already! She's probably fighting him to preserve innocent lives or some such nonsense, but I want to see her kicking Tony and Reed's asses by Bruce's side.
 
Seriously, **** the government and help your cousin exact revenge already! She's probably fighting him to preserve innocent lives or some such nonsense, but I want to see her kicking Tony and Reed's asses by Bruce's side.

you want she-hulk to help her cousin kill heroes?
 
I don't want her to kill anyone, I just want her to support the Hulk rather than working for the guys who threw him into space and whose incompetence resulted in the destruction of an entire planet. She-Hulk's already not happy with her role as a member of Tony's superhero army, and finding out that Tony nearly killed her cousin in a bid to basically throw him away because he's inconvenient should spark some damn indignation, shouldn't it?
 
She-Hulk's already not happy with her role as a member of Tony's superhero army, and finding out that Tony nearly killed her cousin in a bid to basically throw him away because he's inconvenient should spark some damn indignation, shouldn't it?

It should, in my opinion.
 
I don't want her to kill anyone, I just want her to support the Hulk rather than working for the guys who threw him into space and whose incompetence resulted in the destruction of an entire planet. She-Hulk's already not happy with her role as a member of Tony's superhero army, and finding out that Tony nearly killed her cousin in a bid to basically throw him away because he's inconvenient should spark some damn indignation, shouldn't it?


You have a catch-22 their friend, if she-hulk supports hulk, she willl be supporting his dark revenge and hero murders. She needs to talk some sense into him, or atleast find away to get back Bruce Banner.
 
It should, in my opinion.


while Hulks my fav character, his frequent child like rampages, have killed people Im sure, he needed to go. It is a decision that any rational society would of made.
 
As Slott pointed out quite a while ago, the Hulk has never willfully killed an innocent person. If you assume that the Hulk's rampages kill people when no evidence has been presented in the comics to support that, you might as well assume that Superman kills dozens of people every time he's knocked through a building or Thor kills people every time one of his fights causes the massive property damage they always do.
You have a catch-22 their friend, if she-hulk supports hulk, she willl be supporting his dark revenge and hero murders. She needs to talk some sense into him, or atleast find away to get back Bruce Banner.
It's not a catch-22, you just assumed that "support" meant endorsing everything the Hulk does. By "support" I meant reining the Hulk in from his path of wanton destruction and directing him towards the Illuminati bastards who are responsible for his pain and suffering. Once the Hulk gets to them, presumably She-Hulk's good nature would make her try and keep the Hulk from actually killing anyone, but I really wouldn't mind seeing him kill some of the Illuminati. They're heroes only by the broadest of definitions.
 
It's not a catch-22, you just assumed that "support" meant endorsing everything the Hulk does. By "support" I meant reining the Hulk in from his path of wanton destruction and directing him towards the Illuminati bastards who are responsible for his pain and suffering. Once the Hulk gets to them, presumably She-Hulk's good nature would make her try and keep the Hulk from actually killing anyone, but I really wouldn't mind seeing him kill some of the Illuminati. They're heroes only by the broadest of definitions.

And Hulk is a saint? save for Namor and Black Bolt, the illumanti is full of the greatest hereos. Mr.Fantastic is a thousands more of a hero then Hulk, so is Iron-man and etc. You want him to kill heroes, because they made a decision you would of made yourself?
 
As Slott pointed out quite a while ago, the Hulk has never willfully killed an innocent person. If you assume that the Hulk's rampages kill people when no evidence has been presented in the comics to support that, you might as well assume that Superman kills dozens of people every time he's knocked through a building or Thor kills people every time one of his fights causes the massive property damage they always do..

Yes Hulk goes and idiotic rampages, which cause needless property damage, which may result in peoples being injured or worse, this is good conclusion yes. Thier has to be people in those buildings, when he smashes his fist through them. But the thing that seperates the monster that is hulk from others is, Hulk gets pissed off and smashes things, thats his trademark. Is Hulk trying to hurt innocent people, no, he just lashes out in a child like rage, and smashes things.
 
You just contradicted yourself, which was good because it saves me some work. Reed and Tony aren't heroes anymore. All right, Reed is debatable, but Tony definitely is not. Yes, he champions a law that could bring some greater measure of security to the US. But look at the means he's used to accomplish that goal: He's hired mercenaries to endanger people's lives in order to manipulate public opinion. He's sent supervillains on assassination assignments. Whether the Hulk has killed in his rampages is debatable as well--you think he has, I think he hasn't--but what's not debatable is the fact that the Hulk never intentionally does the things that he does. When he sets out on his rampages, he's never thinking of endangering people, he's just thinking of protecting himself in a very simplistic and childlike way. You just admitted as much yourself. When the Hulk intentionally sets out to do things, they're usually pretty heroic. Trying to stop Onslaught's rampage, joining the new FF, protecting Rick Jones several times, etc. Iron Man set out with the goal in mind of endangering innocents to further his own agenda on numerous occasions--see Frontline and the ASM lead-in to CW for examples. That's not the kind of thing a hero does. He's an anti-hero at best and a non-mutant version of Magneto at worst.

Also, don't speak for me. You can't know what decision I would have made on anything. Tone down the presumption.
 
The sounds of *****ing, how I've missed you.
 
Umm, I don't see anything other than the cover (really c'mon we know about covers by now) that suggests that She-Hulk is going to fight the Hulk.
 
You just contradicted yourself, which was good because it saves me some work. Reed and Tony aren't heroes anymore. All right, Reed is debatable, but Tony definitely is not. Yes, he champions a law that could bring some greater measure of security to the US. But look at the means he's used to accomplish that goal: He's hired mercenaries to endanger people's lives in order to manipulate public opinion. He's sent supervillains on assassination assignments. Whether the Hulk has killed in his rampages is debatable as well--you think he has, I think he hasn't--but what's not debatable is the fact that the Hulk never intentionally does the things that he does. When he sets out on his rampages, he's never thinking of endangering people, he's just thinking of protecting himself in a very simplistic and childlike way. You just admitted as much yourself. When the Hulk intentionally sets out to do things, they're usually pretty heroic. Trying to stop Onslaught's rampage, joining the new FF, protecting Rick Jones several times, etc. Iron Man set out with the goal in mind of endangering innocents to further his own agenda on numerous occasions--see Frontline and the ASM lead-in to CW for examples. That's not the kind of thing a hero does. He's an anti-hero at best and a non-mutant version of Magneto at worst.

Also, don't speak for me. You can't know what decision I would have made on anything. Tone down the presumption.

Iron-man has has dones quesitonable things, but his good deeds far out weigh any bad deeds. Is his current self rightous streak, alittle un heroic, it depends, ask the citizens of the marvel U. Hulk is an anti-hero as well, only probbaly is his power makes him way to unpredictable and dangerous. such as WWH, where he is shown attacking heroes.
 
Iron Man's skirted the edge of anti-heroism for a very long time, actually. The Armor Wars in particular bears some similarities to World War Hulk, actually. Iron Man attacked heroes left and right on suspicion that they were using pirated Stark Industries technology. I don't buy the idea that lots of good deeds outweigh one or two or a dozen bad deeds, either. You could've done all the good in the world, but once you start doing evil you need to be put down. The notion of good deeds outweighing bad deeds in some cosmic scale is like saying a cop should be able to murder someone in cold blood every once in a while, just as long as he keeps stopping muggings and rescues the occasional kitten.

When you get right down to it, this is yet another morally gray fight in the Marvel universe. There is no right or wrong. There are just actions and consequences. Iron Man acted aggressively towards the Hulk and now the Hulk is repaying him in kind. The fact that Iron Man has been a dick to everyone else just makes me root for the Hulk all the more.
 
Iron Man's skirted the edge of anti-heroism for a very long time, actually. The Armor Wars in particular bears some similarities to World War Hulk, actually. Iron Man attacked heroes left and right on suspicion that they were using pirated Stark Industries technology. I don't buy the idea that lots of good deeds outweigh one or two or a dozen bad deeds, either. You could've done all the good in the world, but once you start doing evil you need to be put down. The notion of good deeds outweighing bad deeds in some cosmic scale is like saying a cop should be able to murder someone in cold blood every once in a while, just as long as he keeps stopping muggings and rescues the occasional kitten.

When you get right down to it, this is yet another morally gray fight in the Marvel universe. There is no right or wrong. There are just actions and consequences. Iron Man acted aggressively towards the Hulk and now the Hulk is repaying him in kind. The fact that Iron Man has been a dick to everyone else just makes me root for the Hulk all the more.


Hulk is the worst offender in WWH, as he believes one "bad" deed can be avenged by doing another.
 
Hulk is the worst offender in WWH, as he believes one "bad" deed can be avenged by doing another.

i'm assuming that if someone wronged you and completely messed up your life for a year, you'd be cool with it?
 
World War Hulk already began?That`s quick,i think this will be shorter than Civil War.
 
i'm assuming that if someone wronged you and completely messed up your life for a year, you'd be cool with it?


Hulks "Life" was already messed up[has been since he was created dude] if anything sending him off world was a great move. Hulk has become a king, a hero to a race of people. The best revenge is living good, and Hulk has it all now.
 

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