Marvel 'Legacy' question

[Milk Tray Guy]

Back in the 70s I used to read DC and Marvel pretty evenly but as time went on I gravitated more towards DC where I remained - in fact apart from a very occasional issue I haven't picked up a Marvel book in over 30 years. A few times I thought about trying to get back into some of the characters that I used to like but the Marvel 'landscape' seemed to have changed so much - and some of the characters aren't who they were when I was reading before.

I've heard about the upcoming Legacy relaunch, with 'classic' versions of the characters returning. Any Marvel readers have any idea whether Legacy might be a good place to 'jump back on', without any knowledge of the storylines or alternate character versions of recent years?

Thanks.

 

[zenith16]

Back in the 70s I used to read DC and Marvel pretty evenly but as time went on I gravitated more towards DC where I remained - in fact apart from a very occasional issue I haven't picked up a Marvel book in over 30 years. A few times I thought about trying to get back into some of the characters that I used to like but the Marvel 'landscape' seemed to have changed so much - and some of the characters aren't who they were when I was reading before.

I've heard about the upcoming Legacy relaunch, with 'classic' versions of the characters returning. Any Marvel readers have any idea whether Legacy might be a good place to 'jump back on', without any knowledge of the storylines or alternate character versions of recent years?

Thanks.

change is inevitable but i think the problem of late
is the heroes didn't feel like heroes of late cause alot of them lost their way and aren't self reflecting with only small few(some like daredevil are fine) cause of the major back to back large event's

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  COMICS 2 days ago
  MARVEL's LEGACY Brings Back Original Numbering, 'Hope, Wonder, Enjoyment & Fun' and a 'Beloved Mainstay'
  
  Plus they're bringing back FOOM! ... Did you read that..? THEY'RE. BRINGING. BACK. FOOM!!!!!! Read
  

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the Marvel characters you know and love starring in the biggest, boldest, best Marvel stories. All of which kicks off with the giant Marvel Legacy special.”Marvel Comics is kicking off a new initiative this fall titled Legacy that will "embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward" in aaccording to Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada.
Announced during the "Marvel's Next Big Thing" panel at Chicago's C2E2 2017 on Saturday, Legacy 's "bold new direction" will begin with an 50-page Marvel Legacy #1 one-shot by Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic that will feature "the Earth-shattering return of a beloved Marvel mainstay" (cue Fantastic Four speculation now) and will continue through with the publisher's long-running titles reverting to their original series or "classic legacy" numbering.
“The Marvel Legacy initiative is a celebration of everything that makes Marvel the best in fiction and it’s a signifier of a new era for Marvel Comics,” said Quesada. “It’s a loving look at the heart of Marvel as we embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward with all Credit: Joe Quesada/Kevin Nowlan (Marvel Comics)

the Marvel characters you know and love starring in the biggest, boldest, best Marvel stories. All of which kicks off with the giant Marvel Legacy special.”Marvel Comics is kicking off a new initiative this fall titled Legacy that will "embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward" in aaccording to Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada.
Announced during the "Marvel's Next Big Thing" panel at Chicago's C2E2 2017 on Saturday, Legacy 's "bold new direction" will begin with an 50-page Marvel Legacy #1 one-shot by Jason Aaron and Esad Ribic that will feature "the Earth-shattering return of a beloved Marvel mainstay" (cue Fantastic Four speculation now) and will continue through with the publisher's long-running titles reverting to their original series or "classic legacy" numbering.
“The Marvel Legacy initiative is a celebration of everything that makes Marvel the best in fiction and it’s a signifier of a new era for Marvel Comics,” said Quesada. “It’s a loving look at the heart of Marvel as we embrace our roots and move enthusiastically forward with all

Credit: Joe Quesada/Kevin Nowlan (Marvel Comics)

While emphasizing the storied past of the Marvel Universe, the publisher is also mixing in newer characters as well.
"From there, the Marvel Legacy initiative spreads out across the Marvel Universe, showcasing epic storylines hearkening back to the glory days of Marvel starring Odinson, Squirrel Girl, Spider-Man, the Avengers, America Chavez, Iron Man, Moon Knight, the Guardians of the Galaxy, Captain Marvel, Luke Cage, the X-Men, Captain America, Ms. Marvel, Deadpool, the Champions, Wolverine, Ironheart, Hulk, The Punisher and so many more!"
The publisher said that Legacy will encompass the entire Marvel Universe, promsing "blockbuster new storylines" and its renumbered titles coming with "a renewed sense of hope, wonder, enjoyment and fun!"
Marvel's Legacy initiative expands beyond just the stories and the issue numbers on the front cover, as the publisher plans to revive ancillary elements from its past such as the Marvel Value Stamp, the fan magazine FOOM, and corner box art on covers.
Marvel said to expect information on the titles and their creative teams for both new and continuing series to be announced in the next few months.​

most of the characters are indeed returning as of generations and the even't are going back to annual they will still happen but not as frequent

 

[random_havoc]

To respond to original poster's question. I don't know for sure but I doubt this is a good place to jump back on. It will be complicated and tie into characters you don't know. The relaunch that's following this event though you might be able to jump onto easier

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

change is inevitable but i think the problem of late
is the heroes didn't feel like heroes of late cause alot of them lost their way and aren't self reflecting with only small few(some like daredevil are fine) cause of the major back to back large event's

• 
  
  COMICS 2 days ago
  MARVEL's LEGACY Brings Back Original Numbering, 'Hope, Wonder, Enjoyment & Fun' and a 'Beloved Mainstay'
  
  Plus they're bringing back FOOM! ... Did you read that..? THEY'RE. BRINGING. BACK. FOOM!!!!!! Read
  

most of the characters are indeed returning as of generations and the even't are going back to annual they will still happen but not as frequent

Thanks for all that Wow, FOOM! I'd forgotten about that - 'Friends Of Ol' Marvel' I was actually a subscriber!

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

To respond to original poster's question. I don't know for sure but I doubt this is a good place to jump back on. It will be complicated and tie into characters you don't know. The relaunch that's following this event though you might be able to jump onto easier

Okay, thanks. Are there any details available on that?

 

[zenith16]

Marvel Legacy Indicates the Publisher Is Listening To Its Fans
23 hours ago Tim AdamsMarvel's next line-wide initiative, Legacy appears to be primed to address many critiques fans have about the company's current comics.Read more

Tell me if you’ve heard this one before: Marvel has announced a new initiative for the end of the year that will change the landscape of the Marvel Universe for years to come. Over the last several years, Marvel has found a winning formula by relaunching multiple titles with a shiny “#1” and cover branding along the lines of “Marvel NOW!” and “All-New, All-Different Marvel” after a blockbuster event to attract readers and boost Tell me if you’ve heard this one before: Marvel has announced a new initiative for the end of the year that will change the landscape of the Marvel Universe for years to come. Over the last several years, Marvel has found a winning formula by relaunching multiple titles with a shiny “#1” and cover branding along the lines of “Marvel NOW!” and “All-New, All-Different Marvel” after a blockbuster event to attract readers and boost sales numbers. But after going to the relaunch well one too many times, some fans have begun to grow weary of the constant promise of Earth-shattering changes and new volumes of existing franchises.sales numbers. But after going to the relaunch well one too many times, some fans have begun to grow weary of the constant promise of Earth-shattering changes and new volumes of existing franchises.

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There may be a glimmer of hope on the horizon with Marvel’s newly-announced initiative: Marvel Legacy. While it will come on the heels of the summer event series Secret Empire, the foundation will begin in the 10-issue maxi-series Generations, where classic versions of heroes will team up with their current counterparts. Even though Legacy is months away, the initial details point to Marvel recognizing many fan complaints and looking to appeal to lapsed and current readers.
Marvel Rebirth?

At first glance, Marvel’s newest approach seems to borrow from DC Comics’ Rebirth playbook. In 2011, DC made the bold decision to wipe out its existing continuity, rebooting its entire publishing line under the New 52 banner. The initiative was a rousing success for the publisher at first, propelling it to the top of the sales charts. Over time, however, readers complained of radical and minuscule changes made to their favorite heroes, and confusion over the new timeline.
Almost a year ago, DC announced a new initiative; Rebirth arrived with a bang, and the stated intent of returning DC’s characters to their core concepts, in effect undoing or lessening a number of major changes brought about with the New 52 reboot. The end goal was simple: reintroduce the feeling of hope that was lost when the New 52 began. Thus far, the reception to Rebirth has been overwhelmingly positive. Sales are trending upward, as old and new readers have applauded Rebirth’s overall storytelling. Obviously, Marvel isn’t going to outright admit to following Rebirth’s lead by making sweeping changes of its own, but reading quotes from Marvel executives saying they are looking to “embrace our roots” with Legacy, well, let’s just say I’m pretty sure they’re aware of how well Rebirth is working out.


Bye-Bye Event Fatigue

Over the last several years, Marvel has made a habit of crafting its storylines to culminate in a summer blockbuster event. These arcs typically consist of various one-shots and tie-in issues that allow creators to connect to the event at a variety of levels, from minimal to full-on in the thick of things. Some of these stories have been embraced by fans, while others leave a bad taste in readers’ mouths when the stories drag on. When the latter happens, the phrase “event fatigue” is often brought up. For those who aren’t aware of the term, event fatigue happens when a publisher doesn’t allow an event to breathe before the next one is promoted. Essentially, when something happens over and over and over again, it diminishes the qualities that made it special in the first place.
At least for now, Marvel is going to take an 18-month break from events once Secret Empire concludes this summer, which places Marvel Legacy firmly in that timeframe. I’m going to assume that smaller, more contained events across a family of titles will still take place, but readers won’t have to worry about another line-wide story until 2019 at the earliest, which should help alleviate fans’ “event fatigue” somewhat.
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A Return To Original Numbering

In addition to its yearly events, another marketing tactic Marvel has implemented to some success is using each brand initiative as an excuse to relaunch titles. The belief is a comic with a lower number on its cover is more attractive to a new reader walking into a comic book store, while a higher number is intimidating due to the implied need to wade through years of continuity and back issues in order to understand what’s happening.
After years of reboot after reboot, however, a shiny new #1 on a cover is no longer a guarantee for high sales figures. Not only has it become a “jumping off” opportunity for longtime readers who may have become somewhat disillusioned with the current storylines, it can be confusing to keep track of the different volumes of series starring, and often named after the same character or characters. It will be a relief to many readers, then, to learn that part of Marvel Legacy involves the resumption of original numbering for a selection of titles that will be marked with a special trade dress and cover treatment. How long Marvel plans to stick to this renumbering strategy remains to be seen, of course, but if fan response and sales are good, it will most likely stick.


Classic Heroes Return, Newer, More Diverse Heroes Remain

A contentious topic among Marvel fans is the increased prominence of newer versions of superheroes, oftentimes outright replacing original titleholders. Heroes like Ms. Marvel, All-New Wolverine Laura Kinney, Sam Wilson Captain America, and Miles Morales Spider-Man have received much attention from the general public, which has led in some cases to them taking the place of older heroes in ongoing monthly series. While those moves helped to attract new readers into the fold, sales eventually began to falter, according to David Gabriel, Marvel’s senior vice president of sales and marketing. While Gabriel placed some of the blame on the sheer volume of comics being released, he also pointed to changing tastes, saying, “What we heard [from retailers] was that people didn’t want any more diversity. They didn’t want female characters out there. That’s what we heard, whether we believe that or not. I don’t know that that’s really true, but that’s what we saw in sales.” These statements drew a lot of criticism, leading Gabriel to clarify his remarks, but the damage was done ad many readers jumped to the conclusion that Marvel’s fresh new faces would be replaced by the old guard, especially with many of the publisher’s original issue heroes apparently returning in Generations.
There was a belief that once the iconic originals returned, the new additions to the Marvel Universe would be sent to the sidelines and relegated to supporting roles. Now, however, we know there are plans for old and new characters to coexist side-by-side in the Generations one-shots. Hopefully, Marvel won’t limit the team-ups to the one-shots and plans to extend them on into Legacy. This would make sense from a business standpoint, of course; why limit yourself to a smaller number of heroes when you can appeal to as many fans as possible? The Marvel Universe is big enough for multiple heroes, be they Spider-Men, Captain Marvels or Wolverines.


Return Of Beloved Marvel Mainstay

Marvel is going all-in with the return of original numbering and classic superheroes, all while hitting the pause button on event storytelling, so what other tricks can the company pull to really satisfy its fans? How about billing the return of a “beloved Marvel mainstay?” Those words were a part of the Marvel Legacy marketing at C2E2, and appear to be the extension of yet another olive branch to any Marvel doubters.
If Marvel Legacy is intended to return hope, heroism and heart to the company’s publishing line, then a promise of a fan-favorite element returning is sure to raise the curiosity level of most any reader currently on the fence. The question is, exactly who (or what) will be making a return? While fellow CBR writer Christos Tsirbas recently posited Captain Marvel/Mar-Vell as the hero most likely to “break the Internet,” in my mind, only one long-standing franchise fits the description as a mainstay: the Fantastic Four. Much was made about the team’s comic coming to an end after Secret Wars, but there hasn’t been much of an outcry regarding their non-existence on comic store shelves as I assumed there would be. Sure, the Human Torch and Thing were found in the pages of Uncanny Avengers and Guardians of the Galaxy, but Mister Fantastic and the Invisible Woman have been gone for over a year.


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[Milk Tray Guy]

"Almost a year ago, DC announced a new initiative; Rebirth arrived with a bang, and the stated intent of returning DC’s characters to their core concepts, in effect undoing or lessening a number of major changes brought about with the New 52 reboot. The end goal was simple: reintroduce the feeling of hope that was lost when the New 52 began. Thus far, the reception to Rebirth has been overwhelmingly positive. Sales are trending upward, as old and new readers have applauded Rebirth’s overall storytelling. Obviously, Marvel isn’t going to outright admit to following Rebirth’s lead by making sweeping changes of its own, but reading quotes from Marvel executives saying they are looking to “embrace our roots” with Legacy, well, let’s just say I’m pretty sure they’re aware of how well Rebirth is working out."

Yes, the New 52/Rebirth similarity struck me as well.

 

[Marvel]

I'm staying away from this garbage and Marvel until MASSIVE CHANGES in terms of editors and writers are made. Marvel Publishing is at an all-time low... certainly not a place for anyone to jump back on.

What's mind-boggling is that not only have they turned off a majority of their fan base but they pushed LOYAL Marvel Zombies in to the Anti-Marvel camp. For me, this legacy back-peddle is too little too late.

I'm too gun-shy to trust these Marvel editors and most of their ultra-liberal hate-filled writers.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I'm staying away from this garbage and Marvel until MASSIVE CHANGES in terms of editors and writers are made. Marvel Publishing is at an all-time low... certainly not a place for anyone to jump back on.

What's mind-boggling is that not only have they turned off a majority of their fan base but they pushed LOYAL Marvel Zombies in to the Anti-Marvel camp. For me, this legacy back-peddle is too little too late.

I'm too gun-shy to trust these Marvel editors and most of their ultra-liberal hate-filled writers.

I understand what you're saying. As I said in my OP I'm mainly a DC guy and I'd be heartbroken if after all these years I began to feel alienated to the extent that I hear some Marvel fans seem to.

 

[Mike Murdock]

We don't know for sure if this will be a good jumping on point, but I imagine it'll be a conscious decision to make it one and I suspect it'll be as good a jumping on point as any.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

We don't know for sure if this will be a good jumping on point, but I imagine it'll be a conscious decision to make it one and I suspect it'll be as good a jumping on point as any.

I guess. Okay, thanks

 

[Alpha1999]

I'm an old time reader of comics and imagine my shock in coming back after all these years and seeing what has happened to Marvel. Hydra Captain American? The entire SJW and Diversity thing in killing off the old guard characters for newer ones with a change in sex and ethnicity. Sure, bring in new and different characters but show some respect to the old ones.

Comics also should be a place to escape from the real world and if there is a social message to be delivered, it should be done by stealth and not with a hammer.

I might take a peek and see what happens in Legacy. Also, if Marvel comics has any brains, they should approach the writers and directors doing the Captain Marvel movie and see how they're crafting their Carol Danvers. I was delighted in seeing such an old character being promoted to Captain Marvel until I discovered Civil War 2.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Comics also should be a place to escape from the real world and if there is a social message to be delivered, it should be done by stealth and not with a hammer.

Any hammer?

 

[Alpha1999]

Any hammer?

You better keep that away from Hela.

 

[BoredGuy]

So according to the August solicits, Generations is just a bunch of time travel stories involving the new, less-popular versions meeting their older counterparts at various points through their history.


And that's super f***ing lame, Marvel.

 

[zenith16]

So that's their device? they better off having a cosmic cube be the device resurrecting some of them . We have two (technically three )version's of cap steve rogers running around two that existed already. one had a name changed to steve was a partner of nomad before Nomad took on the his name. the other is the current hail hydra causing trouble for every one in the MU and the original steve roger's I we know that seem to have been in forest this entire time "hail hydra steve's" been causing trouble.

Oh well.

 

[CaptainWagner]

And now Ultimates2 is getting renumbered to the old Ultimates numbering, even though the two teams have nothing to do with each other... So yeah, this isn't off to the most sensible start...

 

[Sithborg]

Not going to lie, the Thor one has my interest with the Apocalypse appearance. Still likely to pick up the Jean Grey one. A pity they didn't do a Ghost Rider one.

 

[Mike Murdock]

My best guess is they're only doing books currently active? If not, I agree that Robbie Reyes would make sense. I'd argue there's a viable argument for both Johnny Blaze and Danny Ketch (at least, more so than there would be for including Eric Masterson).

 

[Sithborg]

I just want someone to remember that Ketch is still around and is powered.

 

[random_havoc]

If Generations doesn't result in the old characters being back in comics full time again then it's utterly useless to me.

Give me back the real Thor, Banner, etc in ongoing series. I don't care about just another mini series about them.

 

[zenith16]

I just want someone to remember that Ketch is still around and is powered.

all four of the ghost riders are still powered. the female one among them.

 

[CTFFFan]

If Generations doesn't result in the old characters being back in comics full time again then it's utterly useless to me.

Give me back the real Thor, Banner, etc in ongoing series. I don't care about just another mini series about them.

Agreed. Will save me money anyway.

 

[chamber-music]

Generations and the renumbering just looks like Marvel reluctantly doing the bare minimum amount of fan service to try and win back some displeased fans.

I just want someone to remember that Ketch is still around and is powered.

I feel like Marvel is leaving money on the table by not doing a Midnight sons book. A supernatural team book could be their equivalent of the cosmic Guardians stuff with the right creative team behind it.

I think a book featuring characters like the brothers Ghost Rider (Blaze & Ketch), Elsa Bloodstone, Werewolf By Night, Blade, Morbius The Living Vampire, ect could sell well.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

Generations and the renumbering just looks like Marvel reluctantly doing the bare minimum amount of fan service to try and win back some displeased fans.

Do you think they'll succeed?