Marvel Prepping Four Series and a Miniseries

[cherokeesam]

The Daredevil/Luke Cage/Iron Fist/Jessica Jones stuff could be to set up for a Heroes for Hire type series in The Defenders. Not really sure why they chose Jessica Jones. Though I suppose it wouldn't be Marvel without taking a risk. I like the idea.

I think it'd be fun (i've said for a while) if they were set in the 1970s/1980s. To avoid clashing with the modern day movies and also add a spin on it we haven't seen from the MCU.

I agree with whoever said The Defenders series should/could follow up a Dr. Strange film. But mostly I think he'll be big screen with The Avengers tbqh.

But I'm very worried about the budgets for these things. idk... Agents of SHIELD has me jaded.

Yeah, that's one thing that puzzles me....why *separate* shows for Cage, Rand, and Jones? Those three are bound to have overlap every step of the way, since they're practically family in the comics. Why not just one HFH show featuring all three characters? I'm curious about how they're going to justify a 13-episode season for all three independently of each other....are there *really* that many Luke Cage stories you can tell that *don't* feature Iron Fist and/or Jessica Jones?

 

[OsGom]

Yeah, that's one thing that puzzles me....why *separate* shows for Cage, Rand, and Jones? Those three are bound to have overlap every step of the way, since they're practically family in the comics. Why not just one HFH show featuring all three characters? I'm curious about how they're going to justify a 13-episode season for all three independently of each other....are there *really* that many Luke Cage stories you can tell that *don't* feature Iron Fist and/or Jessica Jones?

I see what you're saying but each character has their own very unique origin that can be stretched out over a season. This is how I would prefer them to approach these characters, with plenty of character development.

Their collaboration being more like Heroes for Hire than a true Defenders adaptation. Defenders just sounds more positive than Heroes for Hire.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Yeah I assume the reason for the individual series is to show off their origins.

And then the ultimate crossover with all four. What I would prefer after "The Defenders mini series" is all three Cage/Jones/Rand are combined into one show and then we just have:

"Daredevil"
"Heroes for Hire"
and at long last "The Punisher"

with regular crossovers.

Perhaps The Defenders ends with Cage being ticked that he gets no recognition/no compensation for his troubles and decides to start up the H4H.

 

[OsGom]

I would really hope that a Daredevil series would spend more time focusing on Matt Murdock the lawyer than they would be able to in a film. It is such a important aspect of the character that sets him apart from say, Batman. The struggle that Murdock has balancing his love of the law with the things he has to do as DD has always defined the character to me.

I have always felt that Iron Fist and Cage would work well in homages to their respective genres.

Iron Fist in a Kung Fu epic, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets Enter the Dragon flavored feature, detailing is origins in Kun Lun.

This complimenting a Luke Cage 70's style Blaxploitation type homage.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I would really hope that a Daredevil series would spend more time focusing on Matt Murdock the lawyer than they would be able to in a film. It is such a important aspect of the character that sets him apart from say, Batman. The struggle that Murdock has balancing his love of the law with the things he has to do as DD has always defined the character to me.

I have always felt that Iron Fist and Cage would work well in homages to their respective genres.

Iron Fist in a Kung Fu epic, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon meets Enter the Dragon flavored feature, detailing is origins in Kun Lun.

This complimenting a Luke Cage 70's style Blaxploitation type homage.

Thing is, all of those things to me, scream 70s style. Bruce Lee Kung Fu epic (Enter the Dragon, Big Boss). Blaxplotation private investigation crime drama? (Black Caesar, Super Fly). And Matt Murdock has always to me been a 70s character because of Frank Miller's work on the story.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if thats the route they take.

 

[Dark Raven]

What will they call the Luke Cage TV series? Luke Cage? Luke Cage: Hero for Hire? Cage? Power Man?

 

[Eddie]

What will they call the Luke Cage TV series? Luke Cage? Luke Cage: Hero for Hire? Cage? Power Man?

I'm partial to Cage if it's an origin story. A focus on the prison where Luke got his powers could work.

 

[gohei_]

You got Caged?

 

[metaphysician]

This is what I would like to see.

1. The Daredevil series on Netflix as a way to reintroduce the character, leading into the Defenders mini series, but mostly to serve as a prelude to a Daredevil Movie.

2. Luke Cage, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones all to have their own series on Netflix, leading into a defenders mini series and then Luke Cage and Iron Fist returning together for heroes for hire with Jessica Jones guest appearing periodically throughout the show.

3. A Doctor Strange movie, leading him into the Defenders Mini Series, and then returning in Avengers 3, and Doctor Strange 2.

4. Marvel to regain the rights to Namor (if they don't already have it), and for him to get his own movie.

5. Hulk to appear in Avengers 2 and 3 as well as at least one more solo film, but would prefer 2 more.

6. Marvel to regain the rights to the Fantastic Four within the next 5 years or so and with it to regain the rights to the Silver Surfer. With it I would like to see the Fantastic Four Vs. Doctor Doom for Fantastic Four 1, then a Silver Surfer origin Movie, leading into Fantastic Four 2 with the Coming of Galactus (Sure I know it was done before, but lets face it that it was done poorly and if done correctly it would be incredibly awesome).

7. From there lets say about 7 - 10 years from now we can have a roster change similar to what has been discussed with introducing new characters to the Avengers, and some of the more street level Defender's like (Luke Cage and Iron Fist) can be replaced by some of the more classic characters like Namor, Hulk, and Silver Surfer for a Defenders movie with Doctor Strange being the connection between both teams.

or at least something to that effect. So, that would be my dream, but I am sure I will settle for whatever we get and so far things are sounding very awesome.

Surfer

I think you should just give up starting on step 3. While Dr Strange is a sure thing for the MCU, I am 100% certain he will have nothing to do with the Defenders whatsoever. There will be no build up that converts the Defenders from a street level team into a group of random cosmic powerhouses.

 

[metaphysician]

The Daredevil/Luke Cage/Iron Fist/Jessica Jones stuff could be to set up for a Heroes for Hire type series in The Defenders. Not really sure why they chose Jessica Jones. Though I suppose it wouldn't be Marvel without taking a risk. I like the idea.

I think they picked Jessica Jones for a couple reasons:

1. To avoid a sausage fest

2. Jessica Jones has important ties to Luke Cage especially

3. She's doable on a TV budget

4. Because a Jessica Jones TV show was already in discussion and design

 

[metaphysician]

You know, here would be an interesting thought, for season 2. Have a Heroes for Hire show, and an Alias ( or whatever other name ) s2. . . and have Luke Cage as part of *both*. He's one of the leads in HfH, while being a supporting character and love interest in Alias.

 

[Surfer]

Sorry, but all this only serving as a prequel for Daredevil? That looks like a major waste, and if they got the FF back they shouldn't rush it, don't force Dr.Doom into the first film again, let the first one be about the team, following that model, Galactus would come in FF 3, and Silver Surfer should get his spin-off after, he's more interesting when you have no idea where he came from.

Don't be sorry, disagreements are what the forum is all about (to spout ones opinions). Besides I don't necessarilly disagree with you in regards to the use of Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer. I was just in a hurry. My wife wanted to get to bed so I was trying to finish my post and get out some thoughts quickly. So, I agree the Silver Surfer solo movie would serve better as a prequel after the coming of Galactus story in a Fantastic Four 3, and perhaps a Doctor Doom verse Fantastic Four would serve better as a Fantastic Four 2. Which to me after thinking about it, what would be great for Fantastic Four's first film would be if Namor was the so called villian of humanity in the original Fantastic Four Movie and then have it lead into a Namor solo movie. Same with the Silver Surfer, after Fantastic Four 3 do a prequel story, but maybe as a flashback in his mind as he is ever wanting to return to Zen La. Then of course leading Surfer as well as Namor into a Defenders movie as part of a Roster change along with Hulk. As far as I am concerned they could even leave Luke Cage and Iron Fist in the Defenders group to create a smoother transition from the small screen to the big screen. Also, wouldn't mind seeing Hellcat pop up during some of the episodes for one of the Netflix Street Level character stories to establish her as a character and to have her return in the Defenders Series as well as a Movie.

As for Daredevil, well I think he works best on his own which is why I think it is okay if things tie him to the Marvel Universe, but I don't see him as being part of a team long term. So, I can see him being used for the Defenders Mini series to establish the MCU connection, but then seperating from the group and going his own way with his own movies.

Surfer

 

[Lord]

Don't be sorry, disagreements are what the forum is all about (to spout ones opinions). Besides I don't necessarilly disagree with you in regards to the use of Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer. I was just in a hurry. My wife wanted to get to bed so I was trying to finish my post and get out some thoughts quickly. So, I agree the Silver Surfer solo movie would serve better as a prequel after the coming of Galactus story in a Fantastic Four 3, and perhaps a Doctor Doom verse Fantastic Four would serve better as a Fantastic Four 2. Which to me after thinking about it, what would be great for Fantastic Four's first film would be if Namor was the so called villian of humanity in the original Fantastic Four Movie and then have it lead into a Namor solo movie. Same with the Silver Surfer, after Fantastic Four 3 do a prequel story, but maybe as a flashback in his mind as he is ever wanting to return to Zen La. Then of course leading Surfer as well as Namor into a Defenders movie as part of a Roster change along with Hulk. As far as I am concerned they could even leave Luke Cage and Iron Fist in the Defenders group to create a smoother transition from the small screen to the big screen. Also, wouldn't mind seeing Hellcat pop up during some of the episodes for one of the Netflix Street Level character stories to establish her as a character and to have her return in the Defenders Series as well as a Movie.

As for Daredevil, well I think he works best on his own which is why I think it is okay if things tie him to the Marvel Universe, but I don't see him as being part of a team long term. So, I can see him being used for the Defenders Mini series to establish the MCU connection, but then seperating from the group and going his own way with his own movies.

Surfer

About the Fantastic Four, since i started reading Kirby's run some years ago i've allways imagined that in the MCU they would be perfect for a 60s setting since they are the Beatles of superheroes, but Marvel would probably not want to let the characters be limited in a time period so that would probably not be their choice. Set in the 60s or in the modern times, i think i would make something like this:

Fantastic Four 1: Origin of the team, if they go with the Ultimate FF origin with the negative zone then the villain should be anihilus, if not then i would go with Mole Man, would serve as a good way to showcase the team's powers. Red Ghost could easily tie into the origin if they wanted, being part of the race to space.

Fantastic Four 2: Characters are now celebrities, Namor has reappeared after many decades, this was done by Doctor Doom, who has forged an aliance with the submariner, However Namor starts to like Sue, and the rest is history, and in the end Dr.Doom escapes. This film would allow to go deeper into the characters and explore some interesting scenes underwater and in Latveria.

If it was set in the 60s i would put another plot where Reed is mostly absent from the team, helping the Government with some shapeshifting aliens that have been taking people's places(the skrulls), which would tie well into the cold war's sence of paranoia and would take a severe in effect on Richards, the skrulls themselves wouldn't appear much, only once or twice and also some corpses found, with the rest of the team largelly absent from this part of the story. In the end Reed would discover that they have completelly left earth, which would foreshadow Galactus's arrival.

Fantastic Four 3: Galactus trilogy, Dr.Doom tries to take this oportunity to get some more powers, etc. If it was set in the 60s this would be Galactus's first arrival on earth and he could then return in an event film in modern times much more powerful.

Fantastic Four 4: This would be Dr.Doom's final solution, not exactly sure what this would be about but i had this idea of time travel where Victor has a secondary plan in case he fails, where a bomb will be thrown into the past at the time when the first underwater creatures started walking the earth. (this is similar to an issue from Ultimate FF where some guy ask for some money, or else will kill the first creature to ever walk the earth, which therefore would end the human race).

If the film was set in the 60s then this would be when the FF and Dr.Doom end up in the modern times.

Silver Surfer: Not sure if this would take place before or after Fantastic Four 3, because his origin kind of contradicts his first appearance, where he was fascinated by the human race and their concepts, such as loss, then his origin is that he comes from a planet just like that. I myselft vote for making it set after, but i know many would prefer an origin.

 

[DrCosmic]

I think they picked Jessica Jones for a couple reasons:

1. To avoid a sausage fest

2. Jessica Jones has important ties to Luke Cage especially

3. She's doable on a TV budget

4. Because a Jessica Jones TV show was already in discussion and design

To be more specific, the reason for #4
4a) Jessica Jones' story is an award winning series called Alias, followed by the acclaimed Pulse.
4b) Jessica Jones is a great heroic character, even though she's not a superhero per se. This makes her unique, and thus, more interesting.

Also, Jessica Jones fits with the gritty tone.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I wonder if they'll go the PI or reporter route with JJ?

 

[Lord]

Jessica Jones was a perfect choice for a show, though i feel like Luke Cage and Iron Fist could have worked as a single show called heroes for hire, or that Defenders itself could have been called Heroes for Hire

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah I assume the reason for the individual series is to show off their origins.

And then the ultimate crossover with all four. What I would prefer after "The Defenders mini series" is all three Cage/Jones/Rand are combined into one show and then we just have:

"Daredevil"
"Heroes for Hire"
and at long last "The Punisher"

with regular crossovers.

Perhaps The Defenders ends with Cage being ticked that he gets no recognition/no compensation for his troubles and decides to start up the H4H.

Cage doesn't go from self sacrificing hero to selfish prick. It's more likely that Cage starts H4H when he first gets out to pay the bills, eventually Rand joins and that gives way to the Defenders by the time they come together with Daredevil, who, if nothing else, is not for Hire.

On the Punisher:

I hear people ask for a Punisher series, and I don't get it. I get why people would want Punisher to guest star, even often, but what would a Punisher series look like beyond what we've already seen for three films so far? Or is that what Punisher fans want, more of that?

Yeah, that's one thing that puzzles me....why *separate* shows for Cage, Rand, and Jones? Those three are bound to have overlap every step of the way, since they're practically family in the comics. Why not just one HFH show featuring all three characters? I'm curious about how they're going to justify a 13-episode season for all three independently of each other....are there *really* that many Luke Cage stories you can tell that *don't* feature Iron Fist and/or Jessica Jones?

Their origin stories don't go together at all. Like... at all. How do you tell these epic 2-3 episode origin stories if you're trying to feature three characters with totally separate origin stories at once? So you definitely can't start them together. So not every step of the way. Luke Cage in K'un L'un is a bad idea. Rushing K'un L'un so you can throw Luke Cage into an Iron Fist-focused series is also a bad idea.

Now I do think that Jessica Jones and Iron Fist will feature heavily towards the end of Luke Cage's series, and that will be a great lead in to Defenders, but making them all one series would be a horrible mistake.

As for the rest of the episodes, I think when we look at Alias/Pulse, Iron Fist's epic Martial Arts origin saga and somewhere in updating the first 48 issues of Luke Cage: Hero for Hire, which did not have Iron Fist, I'm sure you can find a dozen episodes of adventure for each of the heroes, not counting the guest spots and cameos from each other. And I think it's much better to explore these characters deeply on a solo level, than throw them all together, and explore them less just so you can do series for more heroes that aren't perfect for TV and don't naturally come together in a miniseries.

 

[DrCosmic]

I wonder if they'll go the PI or reporter route with JJ?

I hope they do both, with the transition and everything.

Jessica Jones was a perfect choice for a show, though i feel like Luke Cage and Iron Fist could have worked as a single show called heroes for hire, or that Defenders itself could have been called Heroes for Hire

That wouldn't have worked, you couldn't do both origins at once, or delve into their pasts at once, and you'd end up with scarcely developed characters. If the Defenders are supposed to be self sacrificing, then Heroes for Hire would be a horrible name. Luke Cage, especially after he starts having kids, isn't for hire anymore. Daredevil has never been for hire.

 

[Dr. Evil]

There are a few more ways to connect the Defenders to the MCU besides debuting Jennifer Walters and Misty Knight:

James Rhodes: We know that Don Cheadle is not against doing TV as he headlines "House of Lies." I don't know if we will see him again in the MCU (he might be in Avengers 3, but if they decide to add any Black heroes in Avengers 3, it will probably be Falcon and Black Panther). He would not have to be Iron Patriot or War Machine and can easily show up on TV in one of the series (a scene where one of the heroes is watching TV and they see Rhodey being interviewed).

Hawkeye: If he's up for it, Jeremy Renner would be a good addition to one of the series. Besides, he seems to be the forgotten Avenger, not even being mentioned at all on Agents of Shield and not appearing in any MCU movies until Age of Ultron.

Black Widow: It's been mentioned that BW has a past with Daredevil. If Scar Jo is up for it, it could be a nice addition.

 

[Lord]

On the Punisher:

I hear people ask for a Punisher series, and I don't get it. I get why people would want Punisher to guest star, even often, but what would a Punisher series look like beyond what we've already seen for three films so far? Or is that what Punisher fans want, more of that?

Some things simply work better as tv shows, Buffy had a crappy movie before becoming an amazing tv show. Punisher would be about a man hunting down criminals while himself being hunt down by the police, all in a world populated by superheroes, there's a lot of potencial in there.

Their origin stories don't go together at all. Like... at all. How do you tell these epic 2-3 episode origin stories if you're trying to feature three characters with totally separate origin stories at once? So you definitely can't start them together. So not every step of the way. Luke Cage in K'un L'un is a bad idea. Rushing K'un L'un so you can throw Luke Cage into an Iron Fist-focused series is also a bad idea.

Do they have to go together? Many shows have different characters with different backgrounds, Game of Thrones even focuses on characters who live in different continentes and each have their oun plot that up until now didn't really tie together yet.

That wouldn't have worked, you couldn't do both origins at once, or delve into their pasts at once, and you'd end up with scarcely developed characters.

You have 12 episodes with around 40 minutes each, there's a plot tool called flashback, you can start the show about the characters meeting, and then slowlly build on their relationship and their past. It's not rocket science.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I'm really looking forward to the Daredevil show, I've thought for a while that the character is perfect for serialized TV.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

ABC Developing Another Marvel TV Series, Netflix Shows Could Become Films

The Walt Disney Company had their quarterly Earnings Call yesterday, which explains the multitude of announcements ranging from Star Wars: Episode VII's release date to the giant Netflix/Marvel deal, and In the conference call, Disney Chairman and CEO Bob Iger further elaborated on the Netflix deal and another TV project.

When asked about Marvel's deal with Netflix and why that particular route was chosen, Iger said the company realized there were only so many shows they could fit on their platforms, which includes the animated shows on Disney XD and "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D." on the ABC network. He then went on to say that ABC has another Marvel series in development, and though he wouldn't say what character or series it is based on, we think it might be the Agent Carter TV series talked about a few months ago.

The conversation continued on the Netflix deal when Iger said that due to the overwhelming amount of characters in Marvel's wheelhouse, it's simply not possible to put them all on the big screen. He then confirmed that the characters announced yesterday as having their own series on Netflix, including Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Jessica Jones, are "not among the most popular" and were likely never going to be in a feature film anyway. Iger then added that should their respective series be well received on the Netflix platform, however, feature films for the individual characters aren't out of the question.

What do you think the mystery show in development at ABC could be? Do you want to see the Netflix characters show up on the big screen? Sound off below!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/a...el-tv-series-netflix-shows-could-become-films

Seems pretty likely that Agent Carter is still on at ABC then.

 

[Quasar]

I had an interesting thought. When we hear The Defenders, we think of the comic with Dr. Strange, Namor, Nighthark, Daimon, Hellcat, etc., and not the street level characters that are making up this version of The Defenders. Most of us think of these characters as Heroes for Hire. It's been mentioned that there's a legal drama called The Defenders (from the 60's then remade a couple of times, most recently with Jim Belushi and Jerry O'Connell). It could be that this version of The Defenders is comparative in nature to The Defenders legal drama, whereas the Heroes for Hire (called The Defenders on the show) have an office where clients come in to purchase their services (hero service instead of legal service), similar to how the show Human Target was.

 

[DrCosmic]

Some things simply work better as tv shows, Buffy had a crappy movie before becoming an amazing tv show. Punisher would be about a man hunting down criminals while himself being hunt down by the police, all in a world populated by superheroes, there's a lot of potencial in there.

That's the question I have. How does being a world populated by superheroes play out in a Punisher Netflix series? Because everything else is exactly what we've seen before. Are you saying that there need to be cameos of other heroes every episode? Every other episode? Would it be like Agents of SHIELD where people make Iron Man jokes while derivative TV action is happening? How would this be implemented, exactly?

Do they have to go together? Many shows have different characters with different backgrounds, Game of Thrones even focuses on characters who live in different continentes and each have their oun plot that up until now didn't really tie together yet.

All shows have characters with different backgrounds. Most of these are relatively small differences. You couldn't have Spock in game of thrones, or Shaft, because you'd need a *lot* of explanation for it to seem at all natural. Plus, where would they get their ammo, they'd hardly be themselves because they'd be so far outside of their genre conventions. So Shaft and Spock would be dramatically shortchanged, or the rest of the GoT cast would be shortchanged as you take time away from their few episodes to explore Star Trek or Gritty New York worlds. It's a bad idea.

You have 12 episodes with around 40 minutes each, there's a plot tool called flashback, you can start the show about the characters meeting, and then slowlly build on their relationship and their past. It's not rocket science.

It's also not how the Marvel brand is successful. They could have started with Avengers, then flashed back, but that's not what makes the Marvel brand awesome. Instead of trying to cram and make people like a team, you build up individuals so that people really like the individuals, and so when you bring the team together, they LOOOOVE the team. It's been done, it's going to be done again. It's not brain surgery. #RightBackAtcha

 

[Eddie]

Throwing in a bunch of characters in a Heroes For Hire series with no origin series first totally makes sense for the general audience and in no possible way whatsoever would come off like a Mortal Kombat Annihilation style attempt at throwing in a bunch of characters that only people familiar with the source material know with no actual context for a new audience. Not at all.