Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[Steyin]

If both films come out on the same day, I'll be seeing both in the same day. Very simple.

 

[metaphysician]

So, I hope it grosses as much as it needs for them to greenlight the other productions. I don't want it to fail; the thought of another period of development hell on their end terrifies me. I want to see the Sandman (and del Toro's love letter to their Dark properties,) adapted before I die or grow senile.

The sad thing is, this may be a lose/lose fight. If SvB does poorly, it would likely scupper other CBMs from WB. . . but if it does well, the result could well be "rush out more Superman/Batman!"

 

[Heretic]

No...that isn't what I was saying.

What I was saying, I said.

Which is, in effect, that when Superman became someone with a strict, "no killing" policy, so did all the other superheroes.

I don't think you quite grasped my point, because you're still missing it. Even now, Superman isn't the only hero with a "strict policy" against killing. That is something that is fairly common among superheroes in general. It does not, in itself, make him unique.

I'm not sure why so many other heroes have that policy...aside from the fact that they were following the template. It doesn't really feel right for most characters. Regardless, it isn't really an ingrained, well-known part of their character like it is with Superman. Heroes who don't kill call Superman the Big Blue Boy Scout, so even they must see a difference.

 

[Donut]

If this actually happens. They should rip off that Austin Powers teaser

"If you see one movie this summer see Captain America 3. If you see two movies then see Batman vs Superman

 

[The Guard]

I'm not sure why so many other heroes have that policy...aside from the fact that they were following the template. It doesn't really feel right for most characters.

Look up the Comics Code.

Therein lies the focal point of your answer.

Superheroes didn't kill, and this became commonplace, because it was an industrywide movement.

Regardless, it isn't really an ingrained, well-known part of their character like it is with Superman. Heroes who don't kill call Superman the Big Blue Boy Scout, so even they must see a difference.

Actually it is.

Which is why when any of said characters kill, people generally bring it up and ***** about it, as its just sort of "expected behavior" for superheroes not to kill. Things are changing a bit in that regard, but they're also changing in terms of people's reactions to Superman killing, as seen here.

 

[CJ]

I just saw Man of Steel the other day. What a piece that was. And I already had my doubts about SvB after Affleck's casting. Defnitely won't be seeing SvB.

 

[Heretic]

Look up the Comics Code.

Therein lies the focal point of your answer.

Superheroes didn't kill, and this became commonplace, because it was an industrywide movement.



Actually it is.

Which is why when any of said characters kill, people generally bring it up and ***** about it, as its just sort of "expected behavior" for superheroes not to kill. Things are changing a bit in that regard, but they're also changing in terms of people's reactions to Superman killing, as seen here.

Of course many others don't kill...but is there a worldwide known concept that Blue Beetle or Booster Gold won't kill? Maybe they won't...but it is not nearly as well known throughout the world as Superman's stance on it. If you looked at a list of the top 25 Superman "moments" most of them would either be critiques of people wanting him to be a dark character, examples of his old fashion moral code, or him punishing himself for breaking his vow. No other character's list would be so dominated with stories about how old fashioned and pure etc they are.

 

[The Guard]

I would imagine the reason that most of the world doesn't know that Blue Beetle and Booster Gold don't want to kill is probably that most of the world doesn't know who Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are.

Part of the reason people know this aspect about Superman in the first place is his relative popularity as a character in comparison to many other heroes.

 

[Heretic]

Yeah, but, for instance...just the other day I was talking with a bunch of non-comics readers and they were surprised to know that Batman doesn't kill (yes, even after the movies flat out said it). They all associated Superman with not killing though. That "truth, justice..." stuff has permeated society in a way that it just hasn't for anyone else. And again, if you look over the big moments of the big characters, Superman's is dominated by the concept of being a boy scout. Spider-Man's isn't, Batman's isn't. It is a phenomenon that is reserved solely for Superman, thanks to years and years and years of that being a focal point of his characterization.

 

[Warhammer]

And the sycophants won't stop crying about the criticism it has received, nor will they stop trying to tell everyone that it's the CBM Citizen Kane.

There are two sides to that coin.

And both sides of that coin are some dumb motherf***ers.

 

[Warhammer]

Besides, we all know this isn't happening. From a business standpoint, you don't release a film on the same day as another film that competes for the exact same audience/niche. All of this is simply "Let's see whose dick is the longest." I doubt Disney/Marvel Studios is vindictive enough to say "We'll take a loss in potential profits on our film in order to take away profits from DC." It's all about the money, first and foremost.

 

[metaphysician]

They may be entirely willing to refuse to move, as a matter of deterring future date-poaching. A monetary loss now is worth less than a future of constantly being shoved out of desirable dates, because you established the precedent that you were willing to be pushed around.

 

[mclay18]

They may be entirely willing to refuse to move, as a matter of deterring future date-poaching. A monetary loss now is worth less than a future of constantly being shoved out of desirable dates, because you established the precedent that you were willing to be pushed around.

It's going to make both WB and Disney look bad -- both from an audience standpoint and the companies' respective shareholders. One will move, if only to save face.

If CA2's third weekend stabilizes and legs out over Easter, I think WB ought to move BvS up. Beat Marvel at their own game, and I can't believe Kevin Tsujihara and Dan Fellman are just "nope, not going to move."

 

[SpideyFan866]

If both films come out on the same day, I'll be seeing both in the same day. Very simple.

Ditto.

And honestly, even if its not the same day, most people will see both of these films. So there won't be nearly as big a loss for these films as people think there will be.

 

[Dispatch Ninja]

I hope to witness some nerd fights opening night.

 

[jmc]

They may be entirely willing to refuse to move, as a matter of deterring future date-poaching. A monetary loss now is worth less than a future of constantly being shoved out of desirable dates, because you established the precedent that you were willing to be pushed around.

That's not how it works, they are not arrogant enough to think Cap 3 losing money is acceptable in any way. Thing is if Marvel want to book release dates the simple answer is for them to have something ready to go for said release dates. If they are not prepared then tough luck if someone else comes along to snatch it from underneath them. If they don't want to be pushed around then they should have something ready to announce, otherwise don't make a big brew-haha over untitled films and then be all pissy when someone else with an actual film takes the date you wanted.

 

[metaphysician]

It's going to make both WB and Disney look bad -- both from an audience standpoint and the companies' respective shareholders. One will move, if only to save face.

If CA2's third weekend stabilizes and legs out over Easter, I think WB ought to move BvS up. Beat Marvel at their own game, and I can't believe Kevin Tsujihara and Dan Fellman are just "nope, not going to move."

Eh, its saving face that is why the movies are staying put. Staying put merely risks money, whereas moving establishes a reputation.

I suspect that WB *will* move, because they have the worse position and more to lose. However, it probably won't happen until they can pretend its something other than backing down.

 

[Destructus86]

I feel that if DC wants to make the films they know the fans WANT....DC needs to work hard at getting the rights to their characters back....start up their OWN studio so they have more creative control.

Marvel would never have done as well as it has if they hadn't done that. And if Marvel can do it so can DC.

 

[Hush]

I feel that if DC wants to make the films they know the fans WANT....DC needs to work hard at getting the rights to their characters back....start up their OWN studio so they have more creative control.

Marvel would never have done as well as it has if they hadn't done that. And if Marvel can do it so can DC.

DC has all it's rights.......

 

[Raiden]

DC has all it's rights.......

Yeah, they do have all the rights. They just chose to make most of the movies featuring Batman, that is all.

 

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"Batman vs. Superman" Goes Early Overseas

By Garth Franklin Friday April 18th 2014 02:01PM
The UK Film Distributor's Association website has announced a Friday April 29th 2016 release for the upcoming "Batman vs. Superman" film, releasing it one week ahead of the United States of May 6th.
The early release overseas is no huge surprise. The April/May window has proven a boom time to open Hollywood blockbusters earlier overseas. It's going on right now with "The Amazing Spider-Man 2" opening this week in several global markets to take advantage of both the Easter Holiday and school holidays currently happening in various countries. There's also extra pressure this year to go early before the World Cup shrinks the global filmgoing audience for a few weeks.
There's no word on Marvel's plans for the UK for "Captain America 3" and whether it will go a week or two earlier as well, but Marvel's "Iron Man" was the film that really began this trend and the studio has released all its 'start of Summer' superhero films at least one week earlier overseas over the past few years.

 

[Pink Ranger]

"Batman vs. Superman" Goes Early Overseas

By Garth Franklin Friday April 18th 2014 02:01PM
The UK Film Distributor's Association website has announced a Friday April 29th 2016 release for the upcoming "Batman vs. Superman" film, releasing it one week ahead of the United States of May 6th.

Predict future news story: WB announces it has pushed up the US and global release date to April 29 to give its millions (and millions!) of fans around the world the ability to experience MOS2 at the same time.

Quote WB spokesman talking about "allowing us to leverage synergies in our marketing and logistics, providing a better experience for our audience" etc. etc. Problem solved, Marvel breathes easier too.

 

[DA_Champion]

Releasing BvS a week earlier than Cap 3 would not necessarily be better than releasing it at the same time.

Movies make half their money from the second week onwards.

 

[Hammer!]

Really hope they both open the same week don't care what other people say. The press and buzz would be huge- like the "bond war" between Never Say Never Again and Octopussy. It would drive both parties to give their A game, and comparisons between quality and box office would be enormously entertaining.

 

[Marvin]

Yeah, they do have all the rights. They just chose to make most of the movies featuring Batman, that is all.

Too lazy to post the link to all the cbm films WB has distributed that dont' feature batman....

Releasing BvS a week earlier than Cap 3 would not necessarily be better than releasing it at the same time.

Movies make half their money from the second week onwards.

Being first is seemingly better than being second.

If the two biggest films open within a week of each other, the one that opens in an empty market at least a moment to revel in it's own zeitgeist. Whereas the second film will never have that experience. One of the various reasons why that 'first of the summer' thing has worked out so well for various marvel films. In the hearts and minds of many an audiences, this pending Spiderman release has to compare to the recent Cap2 and no vice versa.