Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back

I think DC are winning at the moment, maybe not through box office but by quality certainly, V For Vendetta, Superman Returns and especially Batman Begins have wiped the floor with every Marvel movie since Spidey 2, which was two years ago.
 
I'd love to see a Flash or Wonder Woman movie. I wonder when DC would get off their asses.
 
Word. Whats the deal with that Flash movie anyway?
 
Erzengel said:
I'd love to see a Flash or Wonder Woman movie. I wonder when DC would get off their asses.
Unlike Marvel, DC has no say in what happens with their properties in Tinseltown. It's when will WB get off their @$$es.
 
Chris Wallace said:
Unlike Marvel, DC has no say in what happens with their properties in Tinseltown. It's when will WB get off their @$$es.

Word.
 
And-in fact I think it was you who pointed this out, Red Mask. But WB isn't overly concerned about their comic book properties b/c unlike Marvel, it's not their only cash cow.
 
I guess in terms of grosses you are correct with X-3 but I found the last 4 Marvel Releases sorely lacking in quality. ( Blade Trinity, Elektra, FF, X3) And if Marvel is so overly concerned about their movies shouldn't they start filming FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer by now instead of slapping something together in 9-10 months?
 
I think we can consider FF & X3 more "debatable" than just outright "bad".
 
I'd consider them like I did Superman Returns, wasted potential.
 
Hmmm-maybe a year from now I'll be able to render a verdict on that.
 
Chris Wallace said:
And-in fact I think it was you who pointed this out, Red Mask. But WB isn't overly concerned about their comic book properties b/c unlike Marvel, it's not their only cash cow.

I wasn't the only one who pointed it out. :)

But now that Marvel Entertainment is a solid entertainment group, they need to push for films that can promote their comic properties. It's all they've got. Says so in their website (over 5,000 characters).
 
I SEE SPIDEY said:
I'll say that Marvel wins in quality and boxoffice.

At this point, I'll give boxoffice to Marvel, and quality to DC, though I am looking forward to Spider-Man 3 and see huge potential in Iron Man. So things could change and business could pick up.
 
The Sage said:
At this point, I'll give boxoffice to Marvel, and quality to DC, though I am looking forward to Spider-Man 3 and see huge potential in Iron Man. So things could change and business could pick up.
I haven't seen SR but I tend to like the Marvel movies more. I'm no Marvel nut believe me, but those are the movies I like. On the other hand most DC cartoons are just awsome masterpieces that I can't stop watching. Batman Begins is my favorite DC movie and I don't really love that one. (Give it a 8/10) It's a very well made good film but the second half is where it kinda petters out for me. The first half is like a 9/10 though.
 
AVEITWITHJAMON said:
I think DC are winning at the moment, maybe not through box office but by quality certainly, V For Vendetta, Superman Returns and especially Batman Begins have wiped the floor with every Marvel movie since Spidey 2, which was two years ago.
Supes Returns was lame. What Marvel movies came out in the last 2 years
 
Blade Trinity (December 2004), Elektra (January 2005), Fantastic 4 (July 2005), X3 (May 2006).
 
brainchild81 said:
Supes Returns was lame.

Ok.. lets look at the priorities at the moment of DC.... fanboys? Negative. Critics? Yes. They are making solid film-films recently, and in this manner, they are stomping some rear so bad that Marvel may falter badly if they dont get with the program soon. They are running out of the main iconic franchises, but they do have some more artillery left, looking at Avi Arads future plan filmography at IMDB.
 
XCharlieX said:
Ok.. lets look at the priorities at the moment of DC.... fanboys? Negative. Critics? Yes. They are making solid film-films recently, and in this manner, they are stomping some rear so bad that Marvel may falter badly if they dont get with the program soon. They are running out of the main iconic franchises, but they do have some more artillery left, looking at Avi Arads future plan filmography at IMDB.


So DC is making movies solely for critics now? C'mon now...
 
Darthphere said:
So DC is making movies solely for critics now? C'mon now...

So the only people who like a films film are critics? I dont think so ;) Theres plenty of folks out there who have the more sculpted view on how films should be... they are pleasing this group. Thats a strong comeback, especially for a movie of this sort. Begins, Superman Returns, V For Vendetta.

In fact thats the most sure bet no holds barred way to go about making a film for dc at this point... theyre vicious these days and Marvel needs to watch out ;) I love both but.. damn... dc learned its lesson :up:
 
I think the Green Lantern script alone has set DC back 5 years as far as credibility goes.
 
First of all, can we stop giving DC the credit or the blame for their movies? Again, it's all WB's doing. And quite frankly, since Superman Returns couldn't make me pull out my $8.50 to see it, I have to go w/the one who's most consistently entertained me.
 
XCharlieX said:
Ok.. lets look at the priorities at the moment of DC.... fanboys? Negative. Critics? Yes. They are making solid film-films recently, and in this manner, they are stomping some rear so bad that Marvel may falter badly if they dont get with the program soon. They are running out of the main iconic franchises, but they do have some more artillery left, looking at Avi Arads future plan filmography at IMDB.
This statement makes no sense. A studio makes a movie neither for "fanboys" NOR for critics. (And again, DC doesn't make movies at all.) They make movies for the general moveigoing public. To make money. And until a DC/WB movie pulls down more money than Marvel's big moneymakers, all of these arguments are moot. There is no war & if there were, Marvel would be in the lead simply because they're putting more @$$es in seats, regardless of the individual opinions of a few anonymous people on the internet.
And what do you mean "they're running out of main iconic franchises"? Even if that WERE true, they've got plenty of second-stringers that can do well in Tinseltown & apart from that, THEY ARE USING THEM. Which is more than I can say for WB. Where's the animated DC movie that has nothing to do w/Batman or Superman? Where's the TV series that has nothing to do w/Batman or Superman? How many movies have they had in the last 28 years that didn't pertain to Batman or Superman?
 
Chris Wallace said:
This statement makes no sense.
Gotta love this board sometimes.

Another raw debate.. very well. Seems to be an interesting past time on the board....

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Chris Wallace said:
They make movies for the general moveigoing public. To make money. And until a DC/WB movie pulls down more money than Marvel's big moneymakers, all of these arguments are moot. There is no war & if there were, Marvel would be in the lead simply because they're putting more @$$es in seats, regardless of the individual opinions of a few anonymous people on the internet.

Ah yes. The money argument. Its not like i actually never heard of the other side of the argument to make a pov. Thats exactly how I do it lol There have been people to argue this before, and yes while from a business perspective its priority to make money, I dont define success that way always. Sure Marvel has been running amock for a while since 00 or such, but the quality of films they are spitting out is often a rollercoaster if they were statistics of quality, not money. What do I define as quality? Something made for the art, not just to make a blockbuster that will get asses in seats. In 03 they may have made the horrific catwoman, but recently i cant help but notice they have taken a very serious mindset particularly with their main 2 franchises and have made FILMS. Does it make more money than perhaps X3 and Spiderman, Fantastic 4? Perhaps not, so sue them they wont win a peoples choice award. IMO who cares. Theyre keeping a very strong grasp on what defines a film and are coming out swinging in this manner recently. What do I define as more powerful? This always. Hands down. Money can sometimes be a shallow way to signify victory. So while a movie company may be out for money of course, a film maker or such would want to make the best film possible, and this pov rest assured is not held by a bunch of people just online. Its much more important than that, its about quality first. In this view, DC is acting like Bruce Lee right now.

Chris Wallace said:
And what do you mean "they're running out of main iconic franchises"? Even if that WERE true, they've got plenty of second-stringers that can do well in Tinseltown & apart from that, THEY ARE USING THEM. How many movies have they had in the last 28 years that didn't pertain to Batman or Superman?

They ARE running out of main iconic franchises. The point is, their flagship sagas are on their way out: X-Men has run its course ending with a film with some flaws as a finale and the spinoffs arent guaranteed to be any good but could be, Spiderman is reaching 3 which means its becoming a senior and who knows how long its quality will last beyond that. The backups? Hulk... the remake may be a success so theres a possibility, and the rest of its miscellaneous and not as well known characters. Captain America, Cage, Iron Man etc... theres no doubt if a good amount of these are good marvel can keep afloat when it comes to what a higher minded person sees as success. If theyre not, then theres a good chance if the existing directors stay on course for DC, the 2 main sagas paired with the ocasional backups like V for Vendetta etc can win them the future of QUALITY overall, and Batman and Superman will stomp the quality of Marvel, Also DC has 2 measly ones sure, but HUUGE icons that can tower over these if they are shallow etc.

Of course there is no real competition, however this IS a thread of comparison and there are some noteworthy ones, and this is whats being mentioned here, not a real war of comic companies.

And im well aware of DC not directly making films, WB has been entrusted to do such, but WB in turn have entrusted the correct people it looks like.

"WA-CHAAA!!!" *kick lol
 

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