Marvel's losing its edge and DC's getting its back

[bunk]

Beyond Superman AND Batman. Though it's been a long time since Superman had a quality film.

Batman is probably done for now. Superman will hopefully take over for the next few years.

 

[bunk]

They need some quality projects beyond Batman. That last Superman flick was not quality.

I'm talking future, not past.

 

[brainchild81]

Ok. Still, they need to make some good films that ain't about Batman

I can't believe someone actually brought this thread back from the depths of hell just to try and stick it.actually i can believe it but seriously just drop the ****.

Your post sounds like that of someone who is taking this waay too seriously. This ain't life or death stuff & unless you own DC or Marvel stock, nobody should be getting anywhere near upset over this stuff

 

[xisaacx]

Marvel is light years ahead of DC at this point. All DC has is Green Lantern(Did terrible in box office) Superman(I have high hopes for this but after the last one it was disappointing) Batman(Which is ending unless they do Batman beyond which would be great)

Marvel has Ironman, Thor, Captain America, Avengers, X Men First Class, Wolverine.

Seriously DC needs to step it up.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

They need some quality projects beyond Batman. That last Superman flick was not quality.The OP was premature. DC hadn't put out anything at the time that would validate it. He was wrong. Plain & simple.

The problem w/SR is not Singer's vision. It's that Singer was foolish enough to take another man's extremely dated vision & run w/it. Why nobody tapped him on the shoulder & said "Make your own movie. Donner's vision is best left in the past" is beyond me.

Avengers is amazing. The best Superhero flick ever IMO. I figured it'd be good, but not that good.

Part of me is starting to wish this next Batman flick would have been the 2nd one &TDK'd been saved for last. I honestly don't see how they're gonna top or even equal TDK. I hope I'm wrong, but that'd be rare. It should still be a good film tho.

I don't expect the next Supes film to be much. The odds are against a truly great Supes film because he's not that great of a character IMO.

Story wise is does not make sense.

 

[Lord Valumart]

DC is screwed just now. It should really look into it's Vertigo stuff and try to get some of that on the screen. Hell I'd love Hellblazer to be a tv series!

I think DC is ultimately going to just churn out Batman movies for years and years. If the Superman movie fails them they're sunk. By now they should have atleast tried to get Flash or Wonder Woman onto the big screen.

 

[Red Mask]

DC is screwed just now. It should really look into it's Vertigo stuff and try to get some of that on the screen. Hell I'd love Hellblazer to be a tv series!

I think DC is ultimately going to just churn out Batman movies for years and years. If the Superman movie fails them they're sunk. By now they should have atleast tried to get Flash or Wonder Woman onto the big screen.

That's if Superman fails. Batman could still keep the candle burning.

 

[Tobias]

DC is screwed just now. It should really look into it's Vertigo stuff and try to get some of that on the screen. Hell I'd love Hellblazer to be a tv series!

I think DC is ultimately going to just churn out Batman movies for years and years. If the Superman movie fails them they're sunk. By now they should have atleast tried to get Flash or Wonder Woman onto the big screen.

Actually DC has no say about this - though it does seem screwed for now.

I'd guess that no more than 10% of WB's film revenue comes from DC properties. And that in a good year when a Bat flick is released. Overall it's probably a lot less.

That model means, whether DC or Vertigo titles, WB is not going to be making a lot of comic book films. One per year seems to be the drill.

DC will only have a say and a chance to turn things around when/if WB decides to create a subsidiary DC Studios.

Until then it will probably be pretty much Batman with a few B-listers like Lobo thrown in.

 

[Lord Valumart]

That's if Superman fails. Batman could still keep the candle burning.

I dunno, I've not been a fan of the last two Batman films and honestly I'm not even going to bother with the new one at all. I might see the new Superman though...

Actually DC has no say about this - though it does seem screwed for now.

I'd guess that no more than 10% of WB's film revenue comes from DC properties. And that in a good year when a Bat flick is released. Overall it's probably a lot less.

That model means, whether DC or Vertigo titles, WB is not going to be making a lot of comic book films. One per year seems to be the drill.

DC will only have a say and a chance to turn things around when/if WB decides to create a subsidiary DC Studios.

Until then it will probably be pretty much Batman with a few B-listers like Lobo thrown in.

But you'd have thought that WB would have looked at what makes the money and tried to take some of that. It just feels like something that should have happened by now.

 

[brainchild81]

Story wise is does not make sense.

You're probably right, but can you explain why? Haven't seen TDK in a while & don't know enough about the new film

I dunno, I've not been a fan of the last two Batman films and honestly I'm not even going to bother with the new one at all. I might see the new Superman though...

I didn't care for Begins, but TDK was a great film

 

[chiefchirpa]

Why don't people understand it's not marvel vs dc its marvel vs WB or more accurately now disney vs WB.

Always agree on this.

And the good thing is, they might cooperate in building superhero film dynasties for the good of the genre and both companies. The Imax thing is a start.

 

[chiefchirpa]

DC is screwed just now. It should really look into it's Vertigo stuff and try to get some of that on the screen.

How many times has DC done giving Vertigo stuff chances in movies? Constantine, V for Vendetta, Stardust, A History of Violence...

They won't last so much inside public consciousness/awareness as the past have shown no matter how good the Vertigo-based films are. Say, compare Constantine to Thor you know what I mean. What's needed for WB is movie franchises, not just a one off thing.

 

[Anubis]

I don't know, they kinda are in direct competition. Or at least they should be. I mean, particularly now that Disney owns Marvel.

Marvel is a production company owned by Disney. Their soul purpose is to make movies, shows, etc involving Marvel characters and properties. That's their job. At the same time, Warner Brothers owns DC Entertainment, whose soul job should be to do pretty much the same thing. But for some reason, it isn't. If the WB gave DCE the same freedom to do what they want that Marvel has with Diseny, then who knows what could be done. But they don't....and probably wont after Green Lantern.

 

[Micromind]

How many times has DC done giving Vertigo stuff chances in movies? Constantine, V for Vendetta, Stardust, A History of Violence...

Movies based on Vertigo Comics (DC)

A History of Violence , A road to perdition, V for Vendetta, Constantine, Watchmen, Losers, RED.

Coming up - Fables, RED 2

also WB is making a movie in Image Comics - Red Star.

Movies based on DC Comics Secondary titles -

Swamp Thing, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex.

coming soon - Lobo.

I think the impression that many people have that WB makes only Batman and Superman movies is false.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Movies based on Vertigo Comics (DC)

A History of Violence , A road to perdition, V for Vendetta, Constantine, Watchmen, Losers, RED.

Coming up - Fables, RED 2

also WB is making a movie in Image Comics - RED Star.

Movies based on DC Comics Secondary titles -

Swamp Thing, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex.

coming soon - Lobo.

I think the impression that many people have that WB makes only Batman and Superman movies is false.

Well I believe most of the Vertigo-based movies are good (except for Losers). But the movies and the characters to the general public are easily forgettable. Blame it to marketing or something else, but that's what happened so far.

That's why WB should do more core DC characters. Starting from the Big 5.

 

[Micromind]

Out of the big five so far Batman, Superman and Green Lantern have got movies.

Only Batman has got success, Superman and Green Lantern were not successful.

The difference between Marvel Studios' approach and WB's approach is - that Marvel Studios kept making the movie, that is after Hulk movie got lukewarm reception, they did not cancel Thor and Captain America movies.

Let us assume that for a second that WB is in-charge of making the Marvel movies - If this was WB they would have put the Thor, Cap. movies on hold and cancelled the Avengers plan.

(I know that WB does not own these Marvel characters, Disney owns them but, I am just speculating how WB thinks.)

 

[chiefchirpa]

If Green Lantern was only a financial failure instead of both financial & critical, I think WB will continue on with the Flash. Because that's what happen with the Hulk film.

 

[Micromind]

That is studio's responsibility, not a fault of Superhero genre, as comic based movies made by other studios are doing fine.

"Throw out the baby with the bath water" approach taken by WB is baffling.

 

[Red Mask]

I dunno, I've not been a fan of the last two Batman films and honestly I'm not even going to bother with the new one at all. I might see the new Superman though...

I'm not watching Dark Knight Rises either, but that doesn't mean it won't be a success.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Um, no.

There's no emergency anything for WB because they can and will be very financially stable without needing to scramble to make a JLA movie.

Will The Avengers success prompt them to take another look at making a JLA movie? Without question. But you people need to get through your heads that there's not some foolish Marvel vs. DC war between the studios where they both feel the need to constantly one-up each other.

When you put it that way, certainly not. There's no war between Marvel and DC for the movies, but WB will certainly look at doing a Justice League movie because studios have a monkey-see-monkey-do mentality of things. We see with CGI, vampires movie (and in turn tween girl movies), fairy tale movies, and of course, superhero movies.

 

[KenK]

Movies based on Vertigo Comics (DC)

A History of Violence , A road to perdition, V for Vendetta, Constantine, Watchmen, Losers, RED.

Coming up - Fables, RED 2

also WB is making a movie in Image Comics - Red Star.

Movies based on DC Comics Secondary titles -

Swamp Thing, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex.

coming soon - Lobo.

I think the impression that many people have that WB makes only Batman and Superman movies is false.

Red was Wildstorm, not Vertigo. And a History of Violence and Road To Perdition are titles that were acquired by DC after they were originally published. The same way no one considers Men In Black a Marvel movie, even though they own(ed) the rights to the book.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

DC is screwed just now. It should really look into it's Vertigo stuff and try to get some of that on the screen. Hell I'd love Hellblazer to be a tv series!

I think DC is ultimately going to just churn out Batman movies for years and years. If the Superman movie fails them they're sunk. By now they should have atleast tried to get Flash or Wonder Woman onto the big screen.

Vertigo are graphic novels not comic books. But would love to see more films come out from them.

 

[Donut]

=Movies based on DC Comics Secondary titles -

Swamp Thing, Steel, Catwoman, Jonah Hex.
I think the impression that many people have that WB makes only Batman and Superman movies is false.

Find people that liked Steel & Catwoman & Jonah Hex & the only Swamp Thing movies out there are old. So they may have tried to make more movies. But those listed sucked. MARVEL has a better track record with GOOD & LIKEABLE movies

 

[Anubis]

Vertigo are graphic novels not comic books. But would love to see more films come out from them.

Nooo, they're comic books.

Graphic Novel is basically like a comic that has never been in single issue, or comic strip form. When it's single issues, and is eventually collected, it's called a trade paperback or hardback collection. Graphic Novel has in recent years become a term pretentious *****e bags and self hating nerds use to make themselves feel better about reading comic books.

For instance This:

Is Superman Earth One. It's a Graphic Novel. It was never sold in single issue form.

And this:

Is volume 1 of Fables. It did come out in single issue form and is just a collected edition of the series first 6 or so issues.

That's it for today of How Comics Work 101. Tomorrow we will be go over retconns, and why they suck balls.

 

[chiefchirpa]

I never get if Swamp Thing movie is ever a good idea. Yeah, the comic stuff might pull geekier readers through story, but you shouldn't expect plain moviegoers to find a mo-cap man dressed like tree/moving CGI of tree with eyes interesting. This first impression kill the number of potential audiences.

This goes for Man-Thing too, BTW. However Marvel seemingly more numerous superhero characters usually put Man-Thing on the back of the list of wanted character for movies.