Matt Reeves to direct "War for the Planet of the Apes" - Part 1

So I was just looking at the places and there OW numbers in different places for dawn compared to war and over all for OW in different places dawn made 148,064,89 more then war almost 15m more in those same places that is.
 
That's such a shame considering the great reviews this got. Sandwiching it between Spidermand and Dunkirk was such a bad move. I hope there's a huge amount of people buying/renting it on Blu Ray at least.

You've made some good points and that's definitely a factor, but I can't help but notice the slump in ticket sales across the board.

Wonder Woman & Dunkirk are the only ones making money but they're not making crazy money.

And no matter how they're spinning it, I'm not impressed with Spider-man's numbers at all.

I didn't go see it because I'm a classic Spider-man guy and was not interested at all with the interpretation they decided to go with.
 
And no matter how they're spinning it, I'm not impressed with Spider-man's numbers at all.

It's going to make a major profit for Sony so that's on you. Objectively speaking, it's doing great.

Wonder Woman & Dunkirk are the only ones making money but they're not making crazy money.

Wonder Woman just passed 400 million today. It's going to have almost a 4x multiplier. How is that not crazy money?
 
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It's going to make a major profit for Sony so that's on you. Objectively speaking, it's doing great.

It pretty much came and went. If the numbers were good I'd admit it, but I honestly don't think they are.


Wonder Woman just passed 400 million today. It's going to have almost a 4x multiplier. How is that not crazy money?

Yea, on second thought, WW probably shouldn't have been lumped in there. All things considered it did do really well.
 
It pretty much came and went. If the numbers were good I'd admit it, but I honestly don't think they are.




Yea, on second thought, WW probably shouldn't have been lumped in there. All things considered it did do really well.

Oh is Spider-Man making around 850 m WW not good? How is making around 140 m or so more then the last Spider-Man movie and on a budget of about 45m less on top of that not good? How is making much more money then the last one and on a smaller budget and with it being the 2nd reboot not good?
 
Oh is Spider-Man making around 850 m WW not good? How is making around 140 m or so more then the last Spider-Man movie and on a budget of about 45m less on top of that not good? How is making much more money then the last one and on a smaller budget and with it being the 2nd reboot not good?

Because it's a Spider-man movie.

If a Batman movie made this much, which has also had as many reboots, I believe DC would be pretty concerned right about now.

The sequel better be a heck of a movie to make the whole Sony business worthwhile to everyone involved.
 
Because it's a Spider-man movie.

If a Batman movie made this much, which has also had as many reboots, I believe DC would be pretty concerned right about now.

The sequel better be a heck of a movie to make the whole Sony business worthwhile to everyone involved.

Batman begins only made about 350m think about that for a 2nd and then dark knight made a little over a billion a increase of like 288%. A big reason that dark knight made that much was because of how begins turned out. Batman begins had to get rid of the bad taste the last several batman movies left on people and had begins not been that good dark knight would have never made even close to a billion and HC had to do the same for Spider-Man. Spiderman should be a easy billion now days with how popular spiderman is but I don't think you realize how much having a bad movie or 2 in a row for a franchise is going to hurt the next movie even if the next movie is good and how much reboots are going to hurt to. Expecting a movie to make a billion when the last 3 in the franchise were considered ok/bad and on a 2nd reboot is just unrealistic and :loco:. 850ish is about the best you can expected a 2nd Spider-Man reboot to make and is great results and the next one should do a billion+ now as HC got rid of that bad taste of the last 3 Spider-Man movies. The next batman movie I am expecting to make less then Spider-Man HC. It is a reboot and after coming off the dark knight trilogy it is going to be really hard to live up to those movies and as a result I think a lot of people including me are not really expecting much or looking forward to the next batman movie much.
 
Homecoming is going to make more money on a smaller budget than either of the Amazing movies. It's been 13 years since the last universally beloved Spider-Man movie. It will make well over 4x its budget, closer to 5. You are delusional if you think it isn't performing well.
 
Batman begins only made about 350m think about that for a 2nd and then dark knight made a little over a billion a increase of like 288%. A big reason that dark knight made that much was because of how begins turned out. Batman begins had to get rid of the bad taste the last several batman movies left on people and had begins not been that good dark knight would have never made even close to a billion and HC had to do the same for Spider-Man. Spiderman should be a easy billion now days with how popular spiderman is but I don't think you realize how much having a bad movie or 2 in a row for a franchise is going to hurt the next movie even if the next movie is good and how much reboots are going to hurt to. Expecting a movie to make a billion when the last 3 in the franchise were considered ok/bad and on a 2nd reboot is just unrealistic and :loco:. 850ish is about the best you can expected a 2nd Spider-Man reboot to make and is great results and the next one should do a billion+ now as HC got rid of that bad taste of the last 3 Spider-Man movies. The next batman movie I am expecting to make less then Spider-Man HC. It is a reboot and after coming off the dark knight trilogy it is going to be really hard to live up to those movies and as a result I think a lot of people including me are not really expecting much or looking forward to the next batman movie much.

Yea, I've seen this argument being made a bit too much. I don't think you should have to rationalize a movie's box office this much. There's a bit of an "Emperor's new clothes" vibe about it. It's conjecture and not fact.

Matt Reeve is directing and writing the next Batman movie. If that's not a reason to get excited, I don't what is. I think you're saying you're not excited because it's convenient to your narrative.
 
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Homecoming cost less than the last two Spider-Man movies and has had better legs. Objectively, how is that not a success?
 
After seeing this, all I can say is that DC made the right decision getting Reeves onboard for Batman. This trilogy was mythic as all hell.
 
Because it's a Spider-man movie.

If a Batman movie made this much, which has also had as many reboots, I believe DC would be pretty concerned right about now.

The sequel better be a heck of a movie to make the whole Sony business worthwhile to everyone involved.

A movie with Batman AND Superman made pretty much the same as homecoming domestically.
 
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I honestly don't think this movie had particularly good marketing to be honest. For one thing half the posters didn't even have the whole title. Star trek beyond did the same thing. It was even worse there with just "beyond" written above the head of a brand new and unfamiliar character" on several posters.
 
I wonder what Rupert Wyatt thinks about the way this series ended up going.
 
I'm glad Reeves took it over. Rise was the weakest, imo.
 
I'm glad Reeves took it over. Rise was the weakest, imo.

The series definitely benefitted from Reeves sensibilities and (quite underrated) technical chops, I do think Rise was a solid foundation both for the story and behind the scense as a lot of new approaches to motion capture we're first tried there.
 
I certainly hope that if there are future instalments that we'll see Reeves return.
 
I honestly don't think this movie had particularly good marketing to be honest. For one thing half the posters didn't even have the whole title. Star trek beyond did the same thing. It was even worse there with just "beyond" written above the head of a brand new and unfamiliar character" on several posters.

I don't think the marketing was bad, but it was definitely misleading. I think all of us expected that showdown in the trailers to be the WAR between humans and apes. I like the way it turned out, but they banked way too much on the war aspect.
 
After seeing this, all I can say is that DC made the right decision getting Reeves onboard for Batman. This trilogy was mythic as all hell.

Agreed. I am not even a big Batman fan, but I am much more interested in the new movie because Reeves is involved.

I don't think the marketing was bad, but it was definitely misleading. I think all of us expected that showdown in the trailers to be the WAR between humans and apes. I like the way it turned out, but they banked way too much on the war aspect.

Yeah I agree it was misleading. Most people would have expected an action movie from the marketing. And this was certainly not that, even though it had action moments.
 
Saw it today, brilliant movie. The first half of the film actually plays like a revenge western, as Caesar goes on a tunnel visioned quest to avenge the death of his wife and son, this is an intimate journey within the large scope of a war movie. The second half of the movie is a POW drama, both halves form an engrossing and powerful whole.

Andy Serkis work as Caesar is truly incredible and groundbreaking, but you can connect with all the Apes as characters, not just CGI creations, I love Maurice and his dynamic with Nova and I thought Bad Ape was a great addition, he kind of reminded me a bit of Ben Gunn from Treasure Island, he brought some needed moments of levity. On the human side of things I thought Woody Harrelson did a great job as the Colonel, he was definitely biting off Colonel Kurtz but adds a tragic layer that makes his final scene so effective.

The film is full of wonderful and memorable moments like the first confrontation between Caesar and the Colonel, and their discussion over the war after Caesar led the Apes revolt against the lack of food and brutal treatment in the camp, another powerful scene in itself. Then there's the 2 heart warming exchanges between Luca and Nova with the flower, and of course when Nova gets inside the compound and gives Caesar her doll before getting him food and water, then Rocket sacrificing himself so she can get away, the moment where "Donkey" makes his stand (This scene delivers on one expectation and subverts another), and last but not least
the scene where Maurice names Nova, beautifully done.

The film isn't action packed but it is drama filled and the snowbound setting inbues the film with a lot of atmosphere. The few action scenes there are, are shot with a mixture of visceral energy and operatic style, Reeves gets some epic shots. I loved Caesar's escape from the base explosion and then the avalanche.

The ending is bittersweet but befitting of a franchise that has unexpectedly delivered one of the finest trilogies ever. 9/10
 
Great review Hunter. It's astonishing to me this movie isn't making more money, its incredible.
 
Wow so with the talk about this movie and its disappointing boxoffice numbers I was just looking and the theater that is the clossest to me the movie is not playing there any more. Normally movies hear are in theaters for around a month and a half. Wonder woman just stopped playing today in comparison and that was 2 months and 8 days. So Apes didn't even last for a full month like 26 days instead. So lasted around 3 weeks less then most movies last in theaters around hear.
 

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