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MCU Fight: Ghost Rider (Agents of Shield) vs Abomination

MCU Fight: Ghost Rider (Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D) Vs. Abomination

  • Ghost Rider

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Dudes. Why is Scarlet Witch ranked below Vision, who she clearly owned in CW?

I think she should be much higher up, given that she took out Cap, Thor and Black Widow with her mental powers ( which the Russos pretended she didn't have in CW)

Given that her powers can affect both the physical world ( like throwing around a whole parking lot full of cars) and people's minds (including reading minds) she's a powerhouse.

Durablility bro, you can't be a powerhouse with the durability of a regular human. She was also taken out by a soundwave from War Machine, she's a glass cannon bro and everyone in the power house tier are TANKS in terms of durability.

Also she snuck up on Thor, Cap, and Black Widow while they were distracted, these battles are about a straight up fight. Everyone in the powerhouse tier can easily KILL her with one shot, the most she can do is temporarily immobilize them (but she has to sneak up on them to do it.)
 
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This link that jaqua99 provided earlier not only discusses the feats in that forum, but at the top if you click on the feats section it opens up a whole bunch of videos displaying Ghost Rider feats in action. Link below.

https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/mcu-ghost-rider-respect-thread-1877143/

The thing about Ghost Rider is his Supernatural powers. So, he may not be on Thor or Hulk's level in terms of Physical strength, but he makes up for it by basically being pretty much indestructible and having the ability to turn to ash pretty much any physical character he touches (directly or indirectly), when judging them for their sins.

Surfer
Thanks
 
Durablility bro, you can't be a powerhouse with the durability of a regular human. She was also taken out by a soundwave from War Machine, she's a glass cannon bro and everyone in the power house tier are TANKS in terms of durability.

Also she snuck up on Thor, Cap, and Black Widow while they were distracted, these battles are about a straight up fight. Everyone in the powerhouse tier can easily KILL her with one shot, the most she can do is temporarily immobilize them (but she has to sneak up on them to do it.)

Agree to disagree

Your durability argument falls down with Dr Strange and Kaecillius ranked way above her ( powerhouse tier) they ain't no tanks. As such, IMO she's low powerhouse tier at least

I agree that if the upper powerhouse crew get in the first shot ( and war machine zapped her from behind, not very sportsmanlike, shooting a lady in the back) then she's done.

However, I believe that with no holds barred she could use her telekinesis to crush brains, squeeze hearts etc ( Darth Vader stylez). Her ability to use that power is quite subtle and refined, as she turned Vision's own powers against him - possibly due to her connection to the stone, but that's a pretty cool feat nonetheless.

She took out Iron Man in CW, and was still probably a bit gun shy from the Lagos incident, smacked War Machine around pretty easily.

I doubt she could one shot Thor, Hulk or some of the tanks, but she could deflect their attacks and probably get in a few good shots.

As for her power to affect minds, she successfully did it to Cap twice, and since we haven't seen her use the power since AoU it's hard to say what it's limits are - close contact seems to be a key ( we don't know exactly what she did to the Hulk/Banner).

In conclusion, as durability isn't a factor after all, I suggest she has a valid claim to move up the list.
 
It looks like BigThor forgot to put an end date on this poll, but it was supposed to run for 1 week and end today. Therefore, I am calling it and using the results as they stand now for the Power Tier list. Any votes after this point will not be counted. A new battle has now begun for Surtur Prime Vs. Eson the Searcher with Infinity Stone. You can join that battle in progress here.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=537319

Thanks!

Surfer
 
Agree to disagree

Your durability argument falls down with Dr Strange and Kaecillius ranked way above her ( powerhouse tier) they ain't no tanks. As such, IMO she's low powerhouse tier at least

I agree that if the upper powerhouse crew get in the first shot ( and war machine zapped her from behind, not very sportsmanlike, shooting a lady in the back) then she's done.

However, I believe that with no holds barred she could use her telekinesis to crush brains, squeeze hearts etc ( Darth Vader stylez). Her ability to use that power is quite subtle and refined, as she turned Vision's own powers against him - possibly due to her connection to the stone, but that's a pretty cool feat nonetheless.

She took out Iron Man in CW, and was still probably a bit gun shy from the Lagos incident, smacked War Machine around pretty easily.

I doubt she could one shot Thor, Hulk or some of the tanks, but she could deflect their attacks and probably get in a few good shots.

As for her power to affect minds, she successfully did it to Cap twice, and since we haven't seen her use the power since AoU it's hard to say what it's limits are - close contact seems to be a key ( we don't know exactly what she did to the Hulk/Banner).

In conclusion, as durability isn't a factor after all, I suggest she has a valid claim to move up the list.

It's okay to disagree with our speculative placement. It is the purpose of this whole voting process in order to establish a more accurate tier list. Otherwise we would just say the speculative list is the official list. So, when Scarlett Witch does battle against others you will be able to plead your case to others and she could not only win the battles based on your comments and position, but also could even jump tiers if others agree with you. So, just keep in mind we did the best we could but we understand that not everything is necessarily exactly where it needs to be. Once again this is the purpose of the battles and we hope to have something once completed that will be more accurate then any one person opinion.

Thanks!

Surfer
 
It's okay to disagree with our speculative placement. It is the purpose of this whole voting process in order to establish a more accurate tier list. Otherwise we would just say the speculative list is the official list. So, when Scarlett Witch does battle against others you will be able to plead your case to others and she could not only win the battles based on your comments and position, but also could even jump tiers if others agree with you. So, just keep in mind we did the best we could but we understand that not everything is necessarily exactly where it needs to be. Once again this is the purpose of the battles and we hope to have something once completed that will be more accurate then any one person opinion.

Thanks!

Surfer


That is a fair response. I look forward to Scarlet Witch vs Dormammu so I can argue this further.....kidding !
 
That is a fair response. I look forward to Scarlet Witch vs Dormammu so I can argue this further.....kidding !

I know your kidding, but who knows what future feats might be shown or mentioned in the movies for Scarlet Witch. I mean we speculatively placed Quake in Top Tier based on what we saw of her previously, but if what is being said about Quake on Agents of Shield turns out to be true, well then she is a Planet Buster and probably should be at the very least in the Transcendant Tier. Although again it's unconfirmed, and even if it is later, I doubt we would change our speculative placement for her anyways. So, I appreciate your understanding and thanks for participating.

Surfer
 
Agree to disagree

Your durability argument falls down with Dr Strange and Kaecillius ranked way above her ( powerhouse tier) they ain't no tanks. As such, IMO she's low powerhouse tier at least

I agree that if the upper powerhouse crew get in the first shot ( and war machine zapped her from behind, not very sportsmanlike, shooting a lady in the back) then she's done.

However, I believe that with no holds barred she could use her telekinesis to crush brains, squeeze hearts etc ( Darth Vader stylez). Her ability to use that power is quite subtle and refined, as she turned Vision's own powers against him - possibly due to her connection to the stone, but that's a pretty cool feat nonetheless.

She took out Iron Man in CW, and was still probably a bit gun shy from the Lagos incident, smacked War Machine around pretty easily.

I doubt she could one shot Thor, Hulk or some of the tanks, but she could deflect their attacks and probably get in a few good shots.

As for her power to affect minds, she successfully did it to Cap twice, and since we haven't seen her use the power since AoU it's hard to say what it's limits are - close contact seems to be a key ( we don't know exactly what she did to the Hulk/Banner).

In conclusion, as durability isn't a factor after all, I suggest she has a valid claim to move up the list.

I didn't create the list Jaqua99 did, I would not rank Doctor Strange or Kaecillius so high either because of that same fact.
 
I didn't create the list Jaqua99 did, I would not rank Doctor Strange or Kaecillius so high either because of that same fact.

Well to be fair and not make jaqua99 solely responsible, I think he placed Dr. Strange on the original list, but I think I added kaecillius later when I went through trying to figure out what characters were missing. Again though these are just jumping off points, and there will be opportunity during the battles to correct their placement in tiers when and where necessary. So, not really a big deal it should all get adjusted correctly in the end.

Surfer
 
Well to be fair and not make jaqua99 solely responsible, I think he placed Dr. Strange on the original list, but I think I added kaecillius later when I went through trying to figure out what characters were missing. Again though these are just jumping off points, and there will be opportunity during the battles to correct their placement in tiers when and where necessary. So, not really a big deal it should all get adjusted correctly in the end.

Surfer

On that note, the list won't be perfect - e.g. in many ways Hulk is far more powerful than Dr Strange, but Strange could probably take him out with the right spell.

Certain characters are vulnerable to other character's abilities ( could Strange have stalemated Dormammu without the time gem, no way, it was the particular power of the stone that saved him). It's a variation of plot armour I think.

Despite durability as an issue I think Dr Strange is in the right place on the list - in the comics his powers have gone up and down but at his peak nobody short of a god ( or with eqyuivalent mystical power) can beat him.

Molecule man, would easily be at the top of this list but is only relatively human.

Ah well, the list goes on. Looking forward to the next battle!
 
On that note, the list won't be perfect - e.g. in many ways Hulk is far more powerful than Dr Strange, but Strange could probably take him out with the right spell.

Certain characters are vulnerable to other character's abilities ( could Strange have stalemated Dormammu without the time gem, no way, it was the particular power of the stone that saved him). It's a variation of plot armour I think.

Despite durability as an issue I think Dr Strange is in the right place on the list - in the comics his powers have gone up and down but at his peak nobody short of a god ( or with eqyuivalent mystical power) can beat him.

Molecule man, would easily be at the top of this list but is only relatively human.

Ah well, the list goes on. Looking forward to the next battle!

To answer your first comment. I believe the list may never be perfect, but it will always be considerably more accurate then just one person's speculation making it the most accurate tier list available. Also, I think the word Power gets misunderstood. When I say a Power Tier list I am not just saying to consider Physical Strength or a characters ability to Manipulate Energy or Matter. I am saying to consider all things, like Intelligence, Agility, Weapons, Fighting Style, Durability, Strategy and basically anything that might give them the upper hand in a fight to be considered a power. Because at the end of the day if a first character beats a second character then that first character has something about them that makes them more powerful in my opinion. I mean if Dr. Strange can take down the Hulk in your opinion with a spell then he might be the more powerful character, but you need to consider if he could get off the spell before the Hulk could close that gap and crush him I suppose. At the end of the day as you said it will not be perfect because some speculating on facts is required, but I still feel like using the information on screen that the majority vote on who wins will end in results that are mostly accurate.

As for your comment on Dr. Strange Vs. Dormammu. First off I am not a big fan of Dr. Strange winning by losing repeatedly. It was not like he went back in time and changed something that allowed him to beat Dormammu, no he just went back again and again dying each time and became an annoyance. However, this whole situation really does not work in reality, but our mind allowed it to work in the movie because it was clever and a fun way of handing it. What I mean is that Dr. Strange treated the Time Stone as if he put it on an infinite loop. So, this would result in Dr. Strange appearing twice and then three times and then four times and so on and so forth, because by going back in time he would go back to where he was previously and have met himself in the process each time. 2nd off how is it that Dormammu remembers something that hasn't happened yet to get so annoyed. I mean the assumption is that the Time Stone returns you to a time before something occurred and yet Dormammu was getting annoyed at going through the loop over and over again, but how did he remember it when it has not yet occurred. I mean the real way it should have played out is that Dr. Strange just kept Multiplying every time he went back in Time and every time Dormammu killed all of him like it was the first time. Although that would not have made for as interesting of a story, so they gave us this method and our Brain just kind of allows it. But anyways, getting back to the topic at hand.

When considering the Time Stone as a power or artifact available to Dr. Strange, I don't think we should consider Dr. Strange the winner, if all he can do is lose over and over again against another character. Now, if Dr. Strange can go back in time and alter an event that will allow him to become the winner by beating the other character, then yes the Time Stone would then make him the legitimate winner.

As for Molecule Man, once we get the Fantastic Four back then yeah I would love to add him to the list.

I hope this information helps you, but if you have more comments about the subject if you can take it to the newest battle I would appreciate it. Since this battle is completed I would like to let it die off.

Thanks!

Surfer
 
Abomination got my vote.............only because it wasn't Johnny Blaze.
 
Despite the quality of the acting in both movies, I have to say Ghost Rider. The acting and script were terrible in Ghost Rider, but we know the Ghost Rider has a range of abilities in the movie that aren't really utilized well, but we know of their existence, power, and ability. Ghost Rider's strength is not equal to that of Abomination, but his skill is far greater than that of Abomination. Abomination is huge and he relies on mostly brute force. Ghost Rider would use what is available to him, outmaneuver, and outsmart the Abomination. (Think if Jason Statham was Ghost Rider instead of Nicolas Cage.
 
Despite the quality of the acting in both movies, I have to say Ghost Rider. The acting and script were terrible in Ghost Rider, but we know the Ghost Rider has a range of abilities in the movie that aren't really utilized well, but we know of their existence, power, and ability. Ghost Rider's strength is not equal to that of Abomination, but his skill is far greater than that of Abomination. Abomination is huge and he relies on mostly brute force. Ghost Rider would use what is available to him, outmaneuver, and outsmart the Abomination. (Think if Jason Statham was Ghost Rider instead of Nicolas Cage.

This is the Ghost Rider from the Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D tv show.
 
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