MCU-ize Marvel Characters

[Gamingboy]

I like that idea with She-Hulk too, although I have to wonder whether the MCU could "handle" having her walk around as She-Hulk all the time. Although I guess that in itself could be part of the plot, and also allow for the standard She-Hulk breaking of the fourth wall....

DEADPOOL: Deadpool's origin, according to Deadpool, is that "America couldn't get enough Ryan Reynolds." In reality, he was just some wiseass soldier-of-fortune who ended up in a joint US-Canadian weapons program and came out with a scarred face, a healing factor and, well, even more of a mouth. He did the only thing a person should do when this happens: fight for truth, justice and... ah, who are we kidding. He became a mercenary. Some example of his insanity include: asking Captain America to "FLAME ON!", asking Thor why he didn't use Mjolnir in his fight against the Romulans, yelling something about snakes at Nick Fury and asking Hawkeye if he's got any boxing glove arrows. Tries to avoid Black Widow.

 

[Zoken]

I love those jokes, but most of these characters won't spend much time around others, that's why Shulkie can work. She'll be away from them, and the others can reference her, like

Tony: "Hey, Rhodie, you heard about that Lawyer in Chicago, the green with with the..." gesture to chest.
Rhodie: "Tony, are you drinking again?"

Deadpool... Oh, what couldn't you do there. So, clearly we need a voice over. Even let him comment on it. "Those Lazy Ass writers couldn't figure out how to work in my little yellow voice boxes, so you get my mellifluous tones through out the movie. yeah, that's right, I said 'Mellifluous'. You got a problem with a guy having a good vocabulary?"

No damn origin story either. make some jokes about it, but absolutely refuse to do exposition other than, "Look, I'm ugly as sin, I'm really good at making people dead, and even better at pissing them off, we don't need further details that involve the quasi-governmental program I worked for splicing my genes into pretzles, my cancer, or the fact that my brain is only slightly more functional than headcheese.

 

[Gamingboy]

I love those jokes, but most of these characters won't spend much time around others, that's why Shulkie can work. She'll be away from them, and the others can reference her, like

Tony: "Hey, Rhodie, you heard about that Lawyer in Chicago, the green with with the..." gesture to chest.
Rhodie: "Tony, are you drinking again?"

Deadpool... Oh, what couldn't you do there. So, clearly we need a voice over. Even let him comment on it. "Those Lazy Ass writers couldn't figure out how to work in my little yellow voice boxes, so you get my mellifluous tones through out the movie. yeah, that's right, I said 'Mellifluous'. You got a problem with a guy having a good vocabulary?"

No damn origin story either. make some jokes about it, but absolutely refuse to do exposition other than, "Look, I'm ugly as sin, I'm really good at making people dead, and even better at pissing them off, we don't need further details that involve the quasi-governmental program I worked for splicing my genes into pretzles, my cancer, or the fact that my brain is only slightly more functional than headcheese.

I agree that Deadpool probably wouldn't actually meet up with most of the Avengers characters, but I figure he'd probably find some way of making gags like that, even as an aside or throwaway comment.

Anyway, more seriously:

GHOST RIDER: I think Ghost Rider can only work in a MCU-like setting if he's done like Ultimate Thor. He could claim to have made a deal with a demon, but nobody would believe him (and at times Johnny Blaze might not even believe it himself), instead thinking of him as either a guy with some (probably stolen) high technology or maybe some type of mutant with an eclectic power. Even when Ghost Rider does battle with demons, the public at large thinks it's some kind of alien invasion or mad science experiment gone wrong.

Much like how Daredevil, Punisher and (to a lesser extent) Spider-man rarely interact with SHIELD, the Avengers and such (instead focusing on the threats that the more powerful groups and heroes often overlook), the Rider is similarly isolated, traveling the country as a spirit of vengeance, only rarely coming in contact with larger parts of the MCU.

 

[metaphysician]

I don't know, give Dr Strange is apparently in the works, Marvel does plan to introduce a magical-side to the setting. Depending on how that works, Ghost Rider could work fine.

 

[Zoken]

The story for Ghost Rider isn't bad, they just need to decide if they are telling a comedy or a drama.

 

[3dman27]

Iron Fist: Batman Begins meets Lord of the Rings by way of a Kung-Fu movie. The movie would show the family crashing in the mountains with only Danny surviving, he is taken to Kun-Lun and taught martial arts, only to have to turn around and defend it from internal betrayal. (admittedly this is a vague idea). movie ends with him leaving to reclaim his father's company in Miami.



Shang-Chi: This one writes itself. His origin story is even better for today. He's been trained in nealry ever form of martial arts his whole life, but what his Triad boss father does not know is that he has also been trained in the philosophies that go with them; Zen, Buddhism, Hindu, etc. Philosophies of peace. When we join him he's already run away and living in London where he thinks he's safe from his father. Needless to say he's wrong. When gang violence threatens the neighborhood he's moved into, Shang Chi must decide if he wants to remain a pacifist or take up his arms again. however in one fight with a gang of hoodlums one of them gets away, one who knows enough to report the vigilante to his higher ups. Once they know who Shang Chi is, they come at him with everything. He emerges victorious in the end, but runs before his father can bring more men to bare on him. Before he leaves he is approached by MI-13 (Britain's answer to SHIELD), and they offer him a spot. He declines, but before he can leave the agent says, "When you meet Nick Fury, do me a favor; tell him he's a tosser for me." With that he leaves.

theese would make better solo movies

 

[Zoken]

I'm missing something 3D. They would be solo-movies, designed to tie into a cross-over in Heroes For Hire. Which would be Avengers meets Sin City.

 

[Donnie Darko]

I feel like Daredevil would be a fairly easy one to introduce to the MCU. All you would really need to do is start it with a voice over, with Daredevil crouched on a building. He says something like "The agents came to my door, trying to put me in my place. I told them if they keep their Thunder Gods and Hulks out of my neighborhood, I won't cause any trouble outside of Hell's Kitchen."

 

[Zoken]

We really seem to be paying too much attention to the connecting the central universe. We shouldn't be doing that. I mean, we should make sure they can work with the overall continuity, but they have to be their own stories. I mean, with Shulkie and Deadpool their habits of breaking the fourth wall allow you to comment on the outside world. Most of these should stay more separate. Wasn't that one of the major complaints about Iron Man 2? That they were cramming too much in for Avengers, and not letting the story be it's own story.

Daredevil should be more of a detective story than anything. The skeleton of the Daredevil movie we had was good, as far as story, there was a lot wrong with the details (Why was a private lawyer prosecuting, the damn costume, etc, etc, having Ben Affleck). The over all is fine. it doesn't need to really make reference to the larger universe, unless something happens in New York, and then you have simple light references.

Spider-Man... is it too much to ask that Spectacular Spider-Man be the basis for the MCU-version?

 

[Donnie Darko]

My idea for Daredevil there would actually just set him up as living in the Marvel U without having him actually interact with the Avengers at all. In the voice over, he says that he told SHIELD to keep the Avengers out of his neighborhood, and that's that. It could set it up if they ever want to do a crossover or cameo of any sort, especially with Black Widow without him really being part of the Avengers story.

 

[metaphysician]

Exactly why would SHIELD obey a random ninja vigilante? For that matter, why would the Avengers delve into Hell's Kitchen in the first place?

 

[Gamingboy]

Yeah, I have been focusing too much on "connecting" the things. So perhaps I should revise this:

Fourth-wall breakers like She-Hulk and especially Deadpool could talk about Avengers, SHIELD, etc, and maybe even meet up with low-level guys, but it's unlikely (especially for Deadpool) that they'd be meeting up with Cap, Tony or Nick Fury.

(Although I could totally see Deadpool saying: "Wow, I'm in a big-budget movie of my own. Can't wait to see Bob Downey and friends! Wait, what, I've only got a mid-level budget? No big-name co-stars allowed? Not even Renner?!?!?! FEEEEIIIIIIIGGGGEEEE!"

Daredevil, Punisher, etc. rarely meet up with anybody from the "big heroes" (Avengers, FF, X-men etc.). Spider-Man does, but only because he's Spider-man and if Marvel Films had him there'd be no way they wouldn't want him to hang with the others.

The only possible way EVERYBODY'd get into the same movie would be if Marvel did a full-scale film adaptation of Secret Wars, Civil War or another one of those big-ass crossover events. Which is... unlikely .


Anyway... time for BARON ZEMO (the original):
Heinrich Zemo was at one point the Red Skull's main rival for control of HYDRA, but he realized early on that Schmidt was mad and devoted only to himself, not to the Nazi cause. So Zemo remained a steadfast loyalist to Hitler and his "master race", and in some ways became the replacement for HYDRA once it went rogue. However, he did have one thing in common with the Skull: He wanted Captain America and his Howling Commandos dead. Wearing a hood to give a sense of mystery and fear to both his allies and enemies (as well as to hide his face from all so that all he had to do to move in secret would be to remove his hood), he did battle with them during the European campaign. However, at one point, something went wrong- whether due to a stray bullet, Cap's shield or his own uncaringness, a new high-level adhesive hit him, seeping into his skin, permanently affixing the hood to his face. At the end of the war, he escaped to South America, and refused to believe reports that Captain America had met his death over the Northern Atlantic, and so plotted his revenge for decades... telling his son, with his last dying breath, to continue his planning.

 

[The Overlord]

Yeah, I have been focusing too much on "connecting" the things. So perhaps I should revise this:

Fourth-wall breakers like She-Hulk and especially Deadpool could talk about Avengers, SHIELD, etc, and maybe even meet up with low-level guys, but it's unlikely (especially for Deadpool) that they'd be meeting up with Cap, Tony or Nick Fury.

(Although I could totally see Deadpool saying: "Wow, I'm in a big-budget movie of my own. Can't wait to see Bob Downey and friends! Wait, what, I've only got a mid-level budget? No big-name co-stars allowed? Not even Renner?!?!?! FEEEEIIIIIIIGGGGEEEE!"

Daredevil, Punisher, etc. rarely meet up with anybody from the "big heroes" (Avengers, FF, X-men etc.). Spider-Man does, but only because he's Spider-man and if Marvel Films had him there'd be no way they wouldn't want him to hang with the others.

The only possible way EVERYBODY'd get into the same movie would be if Marvel did a full-scale film adaptation of Secret Wars, Civil War or another one of those big-ass crossover events. Which is... unlikely .


Anyway... time for BARON ZEMO (the original):
Heinrich Zemo was at one point the Red Skull's main rival for control of HYDRA, but he realized early on that Schmidt was mad and devoted only to himself, not to the Nazi cause. So Zemo remained a steadfast loyalist to Hitler and his "master race", and in some ways became the replacement for HYDRA once it went rogue. However, he did have one thing in common with the Skull: He wanted Captain America and his Howling Commandos dead. Wearing a hood to give a sense of mystery and fear to both his allies and enemies (as well as to hide his face from all so that all he had to do to move in secret would be to remove his hood), he did battle with them during the European campaign. However, at one point, something went wrong- whether due to a stray bullet, Cap's shield or his own uncaringness, a new high-level adhesive hit him, seeping into his skin, permanently affixing the hood to his face. At the end of the war, he escaped to South America, and refused to believe reports that Captain America had met his death over the Northern Atlantic, and so plotted his revenge for decades... telling his son, with his last dying breath, to continue his planning.

Wouldn't Helmut being Heinrich's grandson make more sense for the time line?

However I do think they should revamp more villains in the movies, making them more interesting then they were in the comics.

 

[metaphysician]

The problem I see with Zemo, is that Heinrich's role has more or less been usurped by the Red Skull already. It would be really tricky to introduce the guy without him being "Johann Schmidt with glue on his face."

There may be ways around, but they depend on exactly what Marvel Studios does with Hydra post-WWII.

 

[The Overlord]

The problem I see with Zemo, is that Heinrich's role has more or less been usurped by the Red Skull already. It would be really tricky to introduce the guy without him being "Johann Schmidt with glue on his face."

There may be ways around, but they depend on exactly what Marvel Studios does with Hydra post-WWII.

I think Heinrich would work better as a villain Cap fights in flash back, who died during the war. Helmut, as Heinrich's grandson, can be a villain who is tied to the past, but not from the past. Plus depending on what Helmut's motives are, either revenge on Captain America for what happened to his family or adopting his later "well intentioned extremist" beliefs he had in the comics, his motives and personality would be different from the Skull's.

 

[daderade]

didnt Kevin Feige say that AKA Jessica Jones show that is coming IS CANNON for the MCU? that would be a GREAT way to introduce some of the characters(provided they get the right actors)

 

[Gamingboy]

Good point that a grandson would be a better idea than son, although I guess it's entirely possible that Heinrich Zemo would be getting his groove on during old age in Argentina or wherever.

One thing though about Red Skull basically being the "Zemo" of the MCU: this could be a interesting twist if they ever do a "Masters of Evil' type of thing. The idea of Red Skull forming a MoE sounds like it has plenty of storytelling ideas behind it, especially since, well, the last time Skull was part of a supervillain group it didn't turn out so well once everybody else remembered what he was.


Speaking of MoE...

RADIOACTIVE MAN: SHIELD files aren't entirely sure what happened to Chinese nuclear scientist Chen Lu, as much about him has been wiped and censored by the Chinese government. But something happened to him- some say he was doing a experiment to try to become a "Chinese Hulk" for the People's Liberation Army, others say it was the result of being kidnapped and experimented upon by the mysterious "Ten Rings" organization, while still others claim it was some sort of research accident. No matter what happened to him, it ended up changing him into a walking "radioactive man", a pariah to all of mankind, hated by even the countrymen who once hailed his great scientific research. This hatred, as well as his new radioactive powers, made him an ideal candidate to be recruited into a new "Anti-Avengers" run by a mysterious benefactor...

MELTER: "If I had a dime for every time some disgruntled Stark Industries rival tried to kill me, I'd be a billionaire... oh wait..." Basically the Melter could be put in as-is, a dude who builds a melting ray after Stark runs him out of business or something and becomes a supervillain. It happens.

 

[metaphysician]

Or possibly a rogue Stark Industries scientist/engineer. Maybe one of Stane's personal "do unethical research off the books" team.

 

[Zoken]

Melter seems to be one of those... Silly bad guys. like, say, the Ringer. Sure they posed a threat back when we were willing to accept just about anything, but now that we are making demands of believability...

wait, a molecular cohesion destabilization ray, originally the plan was to use it on radioactive isotopes or compounds to separate them into their component elements or to break isotopes down into less radioactive versions of themselves, however it isn't powerful enough to do that. All it can do is destroy the molecular bonds that make a solid a solid, thus turning anything it is pointed at into a liquid. It's hailed as such a laughable failur that he becomes known as "the Melter". It goes on and on, as he's trying to perfect the performance, until he winds up, in rage, turning the ray on a coworker who broke the camel's back.

 

[Gamingboy]

Melter seems to be one of those... Silly bad guys.

Those are always the most fun to try and reimagine. I like what you did with him there, especially how you make "The Melter" be an at-work name made to make fun of him.

(It always seems like modern comic-book movies don't have the "super" names being used, especially MCU...)

 

[3dman27]

how about the3d-man?

 

[DrCosmic]

They tried to make him hardcore, especially in the Skrull Invasion... I'm not 'feeling' it.

 

[Gamingboy]

3D-Man would need to be a period piece, I figure, although I guess if they added the "real" Skrulls it could work as the character being one of the few who had known what had been happening as the Skrulls slowly began to infiltrate America over the decades.


Speaking of period pieces:

THE (ORIGINAL) HUMAN TORCH: When Steve Rogers and James "Bucky" Barnes visited the Stark Expo in the 1940s, one of the things being shown was "Professor Horton's Synthetic Man". While to them it likely just seemed a fancy-looking statue, the "Synthetic Man" was so much more. First built in 1939 (I figure it'd be good to still have Torch be built in '39, even if he didn't show up until later) by Phineas T. Horton, it looked like it would be one of the great marvels of the age: a living android. However, in all of his private experiments, Horton noticed a horrible flaw with his creation: when exposed to oxygen, it would burst into flames, becoming what appeared to be a human-shaped torch. For the next few years, he tried to solve this problem, but for some reason it seemed almost inherent in the design. So, finally, Horton decided he would go with what he had.

The first showing of the "Human Torch" was a few mere days after Rogers and Barnes visited the expo. It was a complete disaster. People accused Horton of creating a modern-day Frankenstein monster. Others, however, thought that maybe there could be something to the Torch, if it- no... if HE could get his powers under control.

NAMOR, THE SUB-MARINER (Golden Age-era): Even today, mankind knows little about the bottom of the ocean. This was even more true back in the 30s and 40s. But when a naked man walked onto a Brooklyn beach and declared that he was there to get vengeance for wrongs done against his people by the surface-dwellers, they were probably right to think him just an average madman. That is, until he started to cause havoc across the city. But then a strange thing happened: somehow, Horton's android heard what was going on over the radio and, somehow, realized something had to be done. He broke free from the prison Horton had placed him in, and, unexpectedly taking to the skies, went to face the "Sub-Mariner" in battle. And though the spectacle would later be overshadowed by the coming of Captain America (which, admittedly, had a better theme song), it would be on that day that mankind would first see the coming of Marvels.

 

[Zoken]

Marvels...

combine those in a film version of "Marvels" giving us a history of this alternate time-line they are building.

 

[ZeroCorpse]

The Ringer

Bruce Campbell finds a costume with an amazing power. . .