No Way Home Spider-Man: No Way Home Original Discussion Thread

[Da-Scribe]

I love Garfield, but it would be dishonest of me to pretend I wouldn’t shed a tear seeing Maguire. I was 12 when I saw his Spidey and it was everything to me. That was the definitive CBM for me for a long time.

 

[weezerspider]

Any chance this could be related to Raimi directing Dr. Strange? We know Dr. Strange will appear in this film to presumably open the multiverse. Could Tobey’s Spider-Man and Dr.Strange cross paths in his movie?

 

[Nardz937]

The guy who first reported on Tobey and Andrew yesterday is also saying he believes Raimi is going to direct it but is not 100% on that yet. (The live-action Spider-Verse, not Spidey 3).

 

[Spidey_62]

Any chance this could be related to Raimi directing Dr. Strange? We know Dr. Strange will appear in this film to presumably open the multiverse. Could Tobey’s Spider-Man and Dr.Strange cross paths in his movie?

I've thought about this, too. As far as we know the current Sony/Marvel deal is a solo movie and another movie appearance so if it's all related to Multiverse of Madness it could be Tobey in the Raimi movie.

 

[Arachnerd]

The guy who first reported on Tobey and Andrew yesterday is also saying he believes Raimi is going to direct it but is not 100% on that yet. (The live-action Spider-Verse, not Spidey 3).

Again, grain of salt, but while I wouldn't have an issue with SM3 being Spider-Verse, I'd much rather they build up to Spider-Verse rather than cram it all into SM3. We all know how well that's worked in the past for Sony. I'd personally tease and build up to Spider-Verse starting with SM3, then Multiverse of Madness and finally Into The Spider-Verse 2.

Sam Raimi directing it though? Man, what I would give for that to happen , but it seems very much a pipe dream at this point and I wouldn't hold out hope for it (yet). More of a pipe dream would be him directing with Phil Lord and Chris Miller writing the script.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I wouldn't want Sam Raimi to direct it. i don't think Sam Raimi is that compatible as a director. i ain't all that fond of his Spider-man movies, i don't mind The Evil Dead films as comedic horrors. but i think Raimi struggles to go outside of his comfort zone at times. i think that was the main issue with Spider-man 3 and why it sounded like he was struggling with the Spider-man 4 script.

I could be wrong though since he is said to be directing Dr Strange 2. but then that wasn't that movie described as having horror elements, so its no wonder Raimi would be chosen. while Spiderverse... probably not. and Fiege will likely help Raimi with alot of the Dr Strange 2 elements anyway.

And the fact that we are hearing all these characters coming back for Spider-man 3. which is said by that same guy to not be cameos. so i have a hard time believing they are setting up another film for that. i mean when exactly would we get that movie if its not Spider-man 3 exactly? another 2 years after?. i mean them negotiating actors back recently for 1 movie is one thing, but 2 movies? i am fairly certain its Spider-man 3 thats doing the spiderverse. there is nothing you can't do in Spider-man 3 that you couldn't do in spiderverse. its just a case of slighty less time to explore it. but then when did that stop marvel/sony before?

 

[Gothamsknight]

The guy who first reported on Tobey and Andrew yesterday is also saying he believes Raimi is going to direct it but is not 100% on that yet. (The live-action Spider-Verse, not Spidey 3).

If this is true, I'll scream in joy.

 

[ImSGirl95]

The guy who first reported on Tobey and Andrew yesterday is also saying he believes Raimi is going to direct it but is not 100% on that yet. (The live-action Spider-Verse, not Spidey 3).

Who and where?

 

[NewYorkSpider]

With the rumors of Tobey and Garfield being in Spider-Man 3, I've began to think on how this could play into the plot of Mysterio outing Peter being Spider-Man. Imagine two or more Spider-Man's swinging around NYC and one of them getting caught and unmasked. Could play into Holland's Spider-Man's hands if this is done. Mysterio would get outed as a liar and Holland's Peter would get by unscathed.

 

[Arachnerd]

I wouldn't want Sam Raimi to direct it. i don't think Sam Raimi is that compatible as a director. i ain't all that fond of his Spider-man movies, i don't mind The Evil Dead films as comedic horrors. but i think Raimi struggles to go outside of his comfort zone at times. i think that was the main issue with Spider-man 3 and why it sounded like he was struggling with the Spider-man 4 script.

That's more of a subjective opinion than an actual fact. And he wasn't the main reason why Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That's more of a subjective opinion than an actual fact. And he wasn't the main reason why Spider-Man 3 turned out the way it did.

He wrote and directed that movie. sure he was pressured to use Venom, but Venom was not the main issue with that movie. infact it should have been a character totally up Raimi's ally. the horror elements and bits from the comics worked fine. its just when Raimi had to translate elements that he didn't seem to understand like Peter becoming dark didn't mean he become a mix of Emo and Ash from the evil dead.

Its also the other stuff that really hurt the movie. the harry plot was fairly dreadful. some very weak writing and the directing was really odd. i mean Harry getting MJ to break up with peter while harry stands on the other side of the park and MJ says nothing and just goes with it.

Another example is the character of MJ in general. she isn't a very likeable person in the Raimi movies. but i don't think Raimi quite got that. i think we was meant to sympathise with her character and her conflict when really it just made her look like a b**** that couldn't stay with one man and really only cared about herself. and that didn't seem to be a trait that was gonna be fixed anytime soon.

I do believe Raimi does struggle with a certain amount of characterisation. he is a good visual director. which perhaps is his strongest point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wouldn't want Sam Raimi to direct it. i don't think Sam Raimi is that compatible as a director. i ain't all that fond of his Spider-man movies, i don't mind The Evil Dead films as comedic horrors. but i think Raimi struggles to go outside of his comfort zone at times. i think that was the main issue with Spider-man 3 and why it sounded like he was struggling with the Spider-man 4 script.

I could be wrong though since he is said to be directing Dr Strange 2. but then that wasn't that movie described as having horror elements, so its no wonder Raimi would be chosen. while Spiderverse... probably not. and Fiege will likely help Raimi with alot of the Dr Strange 2 elements anyway.

And the fact that we are hearing all these characters coming back for Spider-man 3. which is said by that same guy to not be cameos. so i have a hard time believing they are setting up another film for that. i mean when exactly would we get that movie if its not Spider-man 3 exactly? another 2 years after?. i mean them negotiating actors back recently for 1 movie is one thing, but 2 movies? i am fairly certain its Spider-man 3 thats doing the spiderverse. there is nothing you can't do in Spider-man 3 that you couldn't do in spiderverse. its just a case of slighty less time to explore it. but then when did that stop marvel/sony before?

Sam Raimi also directed Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. Both classics in the genre and SM2 is one of the best superhero films of all time. Still the best Spider-man movie to date, with only Spiderverse being any real.competiton. Yeah, totally incompatible

 

[GuestStar2004]

Sam Raimi also directed Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2. Both classics in the genre and SM2 is one of the best superhero films of all time. Still the best Spider-man movie to date, with only Spiderverse being any real.competiton. Yeah, totally incompatible

Spider-man 2 was fairly simplistic compared to a Multiverse story.

Again he could prove me wrong since he is Directing Multverse of Madness.

 

[Arachnerd]

Starting to see a pattern here where a director who constantly turns out good superhero quality makes a disappointing movie and then all of a sudden they're no longer apt to make good movies any more, at least according to some fans.

To this day I still don't understand this logic. I mean, I'm not fond of Avengers Endgame, but if it were confirmed that the Russos would be returning to the MCU, I'd be excited because I've liked everything else they've done in the franchise.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Spider-man 2 was fairly simplistic compared to a Multiverse story.

Again he could prove me wrong since he is Directing Multverse of Madness.

Simplistic or not, Raimi still made the best Spider-man film and has shown a greater understanding of the character than any subsequent filmmakers have. Again, with 1 real competition. Certainly gets the material more than John Watts does.

 

[Schlosser85]

Starting to see a pattern here where a director who constantly turns out good superhero quality makes a disappointing movie and then all of a sudden they're no longer apt to make good movies any more, at least according to some fans.

To this day I still don't understand this logic. I mean, I'm not fond of Avengers Endgame, but if it were confirmed that the Russos would be returning to the MCU, I'd be excited because I've liked everything else they've done in the franchise.

People do that with everyone and everything.

There were people calling Marion Cotillard a terrible actress because of a two second bad take of a death scene in The Dark Knight Rises. Someone said Ken Watanabe needed to "stay away from cinema for a long time" after Godzilla.

People were retconning Rian Johnson into suddenly being a no-talent hack after The Last Jedi.

 

[Arachnerd]

Simplistic or not, Raimi still made the best Spider-man film and has shown a greater understanding of the character than any subsequent filmmakers have. Again, with 1 real competition. Certainly gets the material more than John Watts does.

Yep. Just because he hasn't tackled a story of the scale of Spider-Verse before doesn't mean he can't do it just because he directed Spider-Man 3 (which, again, is not entirely his fault, GuestStar seems to be underestimating how much Sony meddled with that movie).

By that logic, any of the great movie directors couldn't have made some of their big movies because they started out small or made one movie that wasn't good in comparison to their other stuff.

 

[Spider-Fan]

To be clear, I am not expecting Raimi to ever make another Spider-Man film. But if they announced him as directing a Spiderverse film, would I be more interested? OF COURSE!!!!!

 

[Arachnerd]

Exactomundo.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yep. Just because he hasn't tackled a story of the scale of Spider-Verse before doesn't mean he can't do it just because he directed Spider-Man 3 (which, again, is not entirely his fault, GuestStar seems to be underestimating how much Sony meddled with that movie).

Its because he wrote and directed it. and when people point out the issue with it. which is always oh Sony wanted Venom and Raimi didn't, i argue Venom was not the issue. infact the black suit is actually the better aspects of that movie. excluding the emo and dance numbers which was a little overboard. Sandman also maybe was a positive, even though i dunno if he needed to be the killer of Ben, but there ya go.

 

[Schlosser85]

I wish there was some way to just pick and choose the best of each version to mash together. Tom Holland as Peter with the stakes and heart of Raimi's movies, and the better supporting cast quality that Raimi and even Webb's movies had, still with Keaton and Gyllenhaal as Vulture and Mysterio.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Simplistic or not, Raimi still made the best Spider-man film and has shown a greater understanding of the character than any subsequent filmmakers have. Again, with 1 real competition. Certainly gets the material more than John Watts does.

I have issues with MCU Spider-man, but i do prefer the MCU Spider-man character over Raimi's version tbh.

 

[Schlosser85]

I have issues with MCU Spider-man, but i do prefer the MCU Spider-man over Raimi's version tbh.

I like Tom Holland better than Tobey Maguire, but I really wish his movies had the stakes and heart and emotional depth that Raimi's movies had, maybe without some of their corniness at times.

It's frustrating when Tom Holland himself is my favorite onscreen Peter Parker, but then I have so many problems with everything around him.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Yeah now we have a Spider-man with more personality. Its something that made spider-man my favourite character as a kid. you take that away and its not as much fun. and i don't think Raimi wanted to do Spider-man that way.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I have issues with MCU Spider-man, but i do prefer the MCU Spider-man character over Raimi's version tbh.

I prefer Spider-Man to have real struggles and issues myself. The MCU films, though fun, do nothing to give Peter actual life complications. Being Spider-Man is too easy for this Peter. Raimi would make him probably have, you know, issues. Stakes. Growth. I would welcome this myself.