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There's not a single Spider-Man film that comes even remotely close to Raimis first 2 films, except for Spider-Verse and even then it's not on the same level. I also think Spider-Man 2 is better than the entire MCU, but that's another story. There's no better person to direct Spider-Verse in my mind
 
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Raimi wound make him probably have, you know, issues. Stakes. Growth. I would welcome this myself.

The MCU does that too. thats why Tony Stark was in HC and Hogan was in FFH. Spider-man is a kid who is the hero but in the 3rd act needs someone to guide him to be a better hero. they also know thats the strength of the movies and why they keep doing it.
 
I didn't so much mind the mentor Tony dynamic (which does have precedent in the comics), and I did think the climax of Far From Home does do a better job letting him step up to the plate as his own independent superhero (all Happy really does is protect his friends, Peter defeats Mysterio and his drone swarm singlehandedly basically) but they just go overboard with making Peter this inept kid who needs help all the time.

The finale of FFH where he's actually like a worthy big-scale superhero gave me hope for the third installment, but now it sounds like he's gonna be allowed to stand on his own even less than usual.
 
Its because that's what makes Spider-man different to other heroes. that he is a kid. The MCU don't have any other kid superheroes currently. so why would they age him up to independence?

Although even with a Spider-verse you know Holland will be front and center with the other spider-men standing next to him.
 
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The MCU does that too. thats why Tony Stark was in HC and Hogan was in FFH. Spider-man is a kid who is the hero but in the 3rd act needs someone to guide him to be a better hero. they also know thats the strength of the movies and why they keep doing it.

These are shallow struggles. I am talking about what the heart of Spider-Man is. He is a guy like us with relatable issues. Not being sad he can't be Iron Man.
 
The MCU Spider-Man hasn't struggled. and when he's about to, it's completely shafted by another comedic scene. There's no weight with Spidey in the MCU and he doesn't learn anything the hard way. Perhaps if Raimi directs Spider Verse, we may actually see that.
 
Multiverse is probably too grand for that. And Marvel want to make that toy money.
 
Also, in the MCU, what has being Spider-Man cost Peter? He seems to have no economic issues. All his friends are cool about it and understand. Aunt May is cool with it. He gets a lot of cool Stark Tech. Where is the struggle? What meaningful sacrifices does being Spider-Man force Peter to make?

That is the issue
 
Also, in the MCU, what has being Spider-Man cost Peter? He seems to have no economic issues. All his friends are cool about it and understand. Aunt May is cool with it. He gets a lot of cool Stark Tech. Where is the struggle? What meaningful sacrifices does being Spider-Man force Peter to make?

That is the issue
Agreed. He's an accessory to the MCU rather than his own character and the supporting cast is as hollow as they get. I get it, people wanted to see Spider-Man with the Avengers, but he's Spider-Man and is still supposed to be his own person that learns. I like Tom Hollands performance and it's why it's a shame the material he's given is so damn weak.
 
Everything being said is pretty spot on to my feelings about MCU Spidey. Even the PS4 Spider-Man had to make gut wrenching decisions and there were real consequences to his actions. I don't feel like Holland's Spider-Man carries the same guilt or emotional weight of Tobey's, Andrew's or the Spiderverse Spider-Men. His competence is also not the same and I've never been a fan of the mini Iron Man suit. It all strips away the everyman aspect of the character. There is no drama. Compare scenes between Aunt May and Peter in the Raimi and Watts movies. It's night and day. Aunt May serves as an inspiration for Peter in the Maguire movies. In the MCU she's there for "She's hot" jokes.
 
The writing is definitely my biggest problem with the movies. As I have said countless times Holland is great in the role, but I just don't like how they treat him like such a child who can't do anything on his own or without permission. I don't buy he's just a kid excuse either, because to me there's a big difference between being treated like a little kid which is what I've been feeling they have been doing and being treated like an actual 16 or 17 year old teenager. I don't believe all teenagers act like children no matter how immature they might be.
 
The writing is definitely my biggest problem with the movies. As I have said countless times Holland is great in the role, but I just don't like how they treat him like such a child who can't do anything on his own or without permission. I don't buy he's just a kid excuse either, because to me there's a big difference between being treated like a little kid which is what I've been feeling they have been doing and being treated like an actual 16 or 17 year old teenager. I don't believe all teenagers act like children no matter how immature they might be.

Also Holland is supposed to be about the same age that Maguire and Garfield started out as, at least in Far From Home.
 
I'm in agreement here. A huge part of what makes Spider-Man is the drama element and the MCU version has skipped that entirely.

There's no real consequence. No tension. No emotional weight to anything. It's just kinda there. The supporting characters are archetypes. Even Peter is a passive protagonist in his own movie. Imo, FFH plays out more like a Disney Original rather than a Spider-Man film. The only thing that they've done really well is the villains...outside of their Stark connection.
 
All these Rumors coming out for this movie is just a bit to much IMO. If they really are going to put all this in one movie I don't think it would be a good idea. Just my opinion.
 
Its because that's what makes Spider-man different to other heroes. that he is a kid. The MCU don't have any other kid superheroes currently. so why would they age him up to independence?
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I think this is the aspect alot of fans seem to miss about the mission statement of these new films.

In the Maguire and Garfield versions, Peter was basically a grown man, and looked like a grown man.

Yes, he was supposed to be 18 or 19 , but let's be honest, he was a young man, in those films, and the struggles and tribulations were those of a young man.

Balancing a Job , College, finding a woman he wants to commit to, discovering the man he wants to be , Balancing his commitments to his work, the city, his family, his love life etc. , those were all rights of passage as a young Adult , not of a child.

Now Peter has dealt with those struggles as a teen too depending on which version we're talking about. He does struggle. But he also has friends. He also enjoys swinging through the city and has fun as Spiderman, even though it can be a burden to him.

He does look to certain people for guidance and he doesn't think he has all the answers. He's in constant doubt and while he may make his costume alone and his gadgets alone, he's not a loner. The Spiderman myths are filled with humor and funny moments. Even the ASM films had some comical beats to it.

He's not Batman or Bruce Wayne brooding on a rooftop. He's Peter Parker. He has the struggle and pain, yet he also has the joy, friends, and love. He's not one thing or the other. He's both. That's what's made the character enduring.

He's the every man to be certain, but that means he has a flaws and our strengths, he has our highs and our lows.

Yes, the new films haven't dealt with him mourning Uncle Ben, or dealing with holding down a job, or being in a love triangle with his best friends girlfriend, or feeling depressed. Alot of the aspects of the myths that were emphasized in the other two versions haven't been highlighted in this version. That's clear.

That's a creative choice and how one responds to it is gonna depend on their own tastes.

At the end of the day, I'm going to judge the films based on whether they've done justice to the Peter Parker character and whether or not they've given us good films.

The answer from the majority of the GA and critics is yes on both. There's no denying that.

There's always room for improvement on any franchise, and any could go sideways. But so far, I finding it hard to see a fundamental flaw in these new films.
 
I think this is the aspect alot of fans seem to miss about the mission statement of these new films.

In the Maguire and Garfield versions, Peter was basically a grown man, and looked like a grown man.

Yes, he was supposed to be 18 or 19 , but let's be honest, he was a young man, in those films, and the struggles and tribulations were those of a young man.

Balancing a Job , College, finding a woman he wants to commit to, discovering the man he wants to be , Balancing his commitments to his work, the city, his family, his love life etc. , those were all rights of passage as a young Adult , not of a child.

Now Peter has dealt with those struggles as a teen too depending on which version we're talking about. He does struggle. But he also has friends. He also enjoys swinging through the city and has fun as Spiderman, even though it can be a burden to him.

He does look to certain people for guidance and he doesn't think he has all the answers. He's in constant doubt and while he may make his costume alone and his gadgets alone, he's not a loner. The Spiderman myths are filled with humor and funny moments. Even the ASM films had some comical beats to it.

He's not Batman or Bruce Wayne brooding on a rooftop. He's Peter Parker. He has the struggle and pain, yet he also has the joy, friends, and love. He's not one thing or the other. He's both. That's what's made the character enduring.

He's the every man to be certain, but that means he has a flaws and our strengths, he has our highs and our lows.

Yes, the new films haven't dealt with him mourning Uncle Ben, or dealing with holding down a job, or being in a love triangle with his best friends girlfriend, or feeling depressed. Alot of the aspects of the myths that were emphasized in the other two versions haven't been highlighted in this version. That's clear.

That's a creative choice and how one responds to it is gonna depend on their own tastes.

At the end of the day, I'm going to judge the films based on whether they've done justice to the Peter Parker character and whether or not they've given us good films.

The answer from the majority of the GA and critics is yes on both. There's no denying that.

There's always room for improvement on any franchise, and any could go sideways. But so far, I finding it hard to see a fundamental flaw in these new films.

Being a kid doesn't mean he cannot struggle. Marvel eliminates a lot of that drama by doing things like making all Peter's friends happy he is Spider-Man and it not causing friction at all. Why not make Peter have to choose between his friend and something happening, and then instead of being over it in 2 seconds, Ned or whoever is mad? Why not have May worried Peter is endangering his life fighting villains? Why doesn't May struggle raising a superhero by herself, and Peter as a kid feels helpless to help her? Etc. Peter's struggles here all amount to him wanting to be a better hero like his idols, which is a fine idea. But you need Peter to have meaningful personal struggles.
 
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Btw, was the report of Raimi possibly directing Spider-Verse from Daniel RPK?
 
I can't even find the original post for the Sam Raimi information. or anyone really talking about it.
 
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I have seen nothing about this on my brief Google search, also. So doubting that it is legit
 
What if there won't be a "Into the Spider-verse" in MCU, like the animated film. But a Spider-Verse consisting of different live action Spideys?

Can we even get to see the obscure Japanese version, starring Shinji Todō?
His TV series runned at the same time as Hammond's.

Hmm, now even I feel like this is scraping at the bottom of the barrel.
But it would still be fun.

 
Didn't they say they plan on doing that with the Animated Spider-verse sequel?
 
Kimmel. Please. Stop. You're killing me right now. :dry:
 
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