Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

[chamber-music]

Hank repressed his creative side and imagination after his grandmothers death.

He conformed to peoples expectations of him. It was brow beaten into Pym that he shouldn't indulge his interests in fringe sciences. Even when Pym went to talk to a science convention about size changing particles they laughed in his face and told him to stick to conventional scientific study.

 

[Walt Bickle]

Oh that's easy. They literally changed nothing about him except his age. People who argue that a Norwegian god shouldn't be black actually have MORE of a case than people arguing against this. And I'm a guy who's fine with a black Heimdall (considering nobody from Scandinavia would have seen him).

So you are saying he was married and widowed before the age of 18, while still being a doctor? is that not pushing it?

What on earth are you talking about....?
*Of course* it's relevant. If he was a child prodigy, it means that he probably graduated university at a much younger age than everyone else, and means that he was already a certified supergenius even as a child/teenager. So he could very easily be a very young man --- early 20s, even late teens --- in the 1960s and still become a bonafide secret agent and superhero. In fact, it's totally implicit.

Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym, is an American biochemist with extensive knowledge in various scientific fields, married Maria Trovaya, a brave and beautiful young woman who had been a political dissident in her native Hungary, from which she had fled. Naively believing that his American citizenship would protect her, Henry and Maria Pym traveled to Hungary shortly after their marriage. The Pyms were confronted by agents of the secret police there. Henry Pym was knocked unconscious and Maria was murdered. Pym was greatly distraught by his wife's death, and decided to do whatever he could in the future to battle injustice and inhumanity[1].

Back in the United States, Pym discovered a rare group of subatomic particles, which have become known as the "Pym Particles." Pym was able, through the application of magnetic fields, to entrap the particles within two separate serums. One serum would reduce the size of persons and objects,

wow he really got a lot in before he was 18??

 

[Walt Bickle]

thanx man

 

[cherokeesam]

So you are saying he was married and widowed before the age of 18, while still being a doctor? is that not pushing it?



Dr. Henry "Hank" Pym, is an American biochemist with extensive knowledge in various scientific fields, married Maria Trovaya, a brave and beautiful young woman who had been a political dissident in her native Hungary, from which she had fled. Naively believing that his American citizenship would protect her, Henry and Maria Pym traveled to Hungary shortly after their marriage. The Pyms were confronted by agents of the secret police there. Henry Pym was knocked unconscious and Maria was murdered. Pym was greatly distraught by his wife's death, and decided to do whatever he could in the future to battle injustice and inhumanity[1].

Back in the United States, Pym discovered a rare group of subatomic particles, which have become known as the "Pym Particles." Pym was able, through the application of magnetic fields, to entrap the particles within two separate serums. One serum would reduce the size of persons and objects,

wow he really got a lot in before he was 18??

He did if you fanatically and strangely believe that Wright intends to follow the entirety of Hank Pym's Astonishing Tales run to the letter and require him to be exactly the same age as the actor portraying him.

Good luck with that, sir.

Here's the deal, mate: Wright has been saying for the past eight years that he had two Ant-Man stories in his comic-book collection from way back that fascinated him --- "The Man in the Ant-Hill" and "To Steal an Ant-Man." He toyed with the notion of combining those two stories into a film that would feature the 1960s Pym and the modern day Lang; Marvel greenlighted it; and Wright proceeded to sit on it. Eight years later, Wright hasn't changed his story one bit.

 

[Tymminator]

Thing is the movies for Thor, Ironman, Spider-man, Batman, Captain America, The Hulk, the X-Men ect, have NEVER followed the origins exactly as the comic books made their origins originally. If you go through all of them closely, you look at Thor and although they mention Donald Blake, that aspect of early Thor is absent. Stark was not injured in Viet nam, Batman never trained under Ras al Ghul, No Gamma bomb and Rick Jones for Hulk, Captain America and Spider-man have their own numerous differences, etc.

The big thing about making these movies is getting the spirit of the character across in a different media even if certain other aspects are changed. No superhero movie is immune to this. We really need to see the movie before we judge it.

 

[Vartha]

18 counts (did they specify his age in his debut issue?). That would make him 71 by 2015. I would say that lines up with Michael Douglas perfectly.

Yeah I was going to say, if Hank was Giant-Man/Ant-Man in the 60's it works. They said nothing about Hank's youth before hand for the Ant-Man movie

 

[metaphysician]

they could get away with it. there are like a zillion ways to deage him or make it a non-issue anyways. for starters, he could just download his brain patterns into a young body. then he'd fit in with that A.I. team of his. or he use time travel. on the other hand, all of the primary Avengers have benefited from age rejuvenation; if you count Avengers Reborn.

Or he could. . . remain an old man, and do things like "be a scientist" or "be a mentor figure".

I know, I know, inconceivable.

 

[metaphysician]

Hank repressed his creative side and imagination after his grandmothers death.

He conformed to peoples expectations of him. It was brow beaten into Pym that he shouldn't indulge his interests in fringe sciences. Even when Pym went to talk to a science convention about size changing particles they laughed in his face and told him to stick to conventional scientific study.

. . .okay, am I the only one who thinks that first segment *really* comes off as the slightly deluded perspective of a mad scientist who isn't seeing the same world as everyone else? One who has more than just a tad bit of a persecution complex?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Naturally people have an issue with the whole age thing and Tom Brevoort put this up when answering a fan about whether or not it would translate to the comics:

There’s a line in one of the early Ant-Man stories about Hank being twice Jan’s age. So if she was 18 when they met and she became the Wasp, that would make Hank 36. And since then, around 13 years have passed. So yes, Hank is relatively older than many of the other characters from that era, he’s more a contemporary of Reed Richards and Ben Grimm.

Well lookee there.

 

[cph9fa]

I was just skimming through some of Ant-Man's appearances on the Marvel Wikia, and came across this. I couldn't resist sharing!

 

[Human Torch]

LOL Now we'll have the apologists saying "Look,they're being faithful to the comics!"

 

[Spider-Aziz]

So, does that mean Ant-Man is an old Hank Pym?

 

[TeeKay]

LOL Now we'll have the apologists saying "Look,they're being faithful to the comics!"

 

[Spider-Aziz]

What? We will, right?
Even if not on these boards

 

[Chris B]

I've always been skeptical of Wright's plan of making Pym an older character, especially since it's possible to still do Lang-centric Ant-Man film featuring a Pym who could be a contemporary of RDJ's and Ruffalo's Stark and Banner respectively.

But I'm willing to give this a chance. Douglas is a good actor and I can see how this approach makes Pym stand out from Stark and Banner more, as well as elevating him to the status of an elder hero.

The most important thing here, IMO, is that they get the essence of the character right.

 

[TRM]

Time Master, aka Prof Weems, can age people rapidly with his ray, but he can also de-age them and reverse the aging process instantly.

After some of screenrants comments about how a technique might be used to make Douglas young for some parts, or there could still be a young Pym in the 60's, I'm not too worried. I think something has happened to Pym where not only his tech has been stolen....I think his actual timeline/destiny has been affected by a villain who can extend his own lifespan/reverse his aging and has been around since the 60's.

I've been talking about Weems for a while now..before hearing about old Pym, back when I was talking about how Pym might travel time.
I no longer think Pym travels time, I think he simply retires and grows old...

The problem might be that Elias Weems has not aged at all since they met in the 60's, when Pym particles are discovered, and Pym has aged a lot by the next time he meets Weems...

By the present Weems has stolen all his research, setup Lang with the shrinking tech for the heists, invented the de-aging ray for himself and setup Lang to steal a bunch of vibranium. Pym and Lang have to team up against Weems and Whirlwind at the end of the timeline, but the thing is Time Master already exists at the other end of the timeline, in his younger body, and is working on a Time Tunnel that will connect the 60's to the present... Carter and young Pym end up having to battle Zemo's part of Hydra across history, and across time and dimensions in her show... The Zodiac Key Carter found might be important, it could be a key to other times and dimensions.

Basically Zemo would be involved in some of the Carter stuff, and he used Time Masters reverse aging ray to help invent infinity serum back in the 60s. Zemo and his side of Hydra keep Carter and yellowjacket busy in the 60s and beyond...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

"apologist" is being turned into one of those words, it seems.

 

[TeeKay]

What? We will, right?
Even if not on these boards

So someone posting that cover autimatically makes that person an apologist right?

"apologist" is being turned into one of those words, it seems.

I agree with you.

 

[bubbadoom]

With Douglas playing Pym and Rudd as Lang I wonder if Pym might be showing up in A2 to be on hand for Ultron's creation after all...?

Kevin Feige had said that Ant Man was off limits until after Wright did his movie, but nothing about Pym...

 

[TheVileOne]

What if Pym is Lang's father?

 

[cherokeesam]

What if Pym is Lang's father?

Unlikely. The basic "To Steal An Ant-Man" story is that Lang steals the suit without having any idea who it belongs to, or what it even does. The fact that he learns to use it, and use it well, impresses Pym, who begins to mentor him.

The story only works if there's no existing connection between Pym and Lang.

 

[Walt Bickle]

He did if you fanatically and strangely believe that Wright intends to follow the entirety of Hank Pym's Astonishing Tales run to the letter and require him to be exactly the same age as the actor portraying him.

Good luck with that, sir.

Here's the deal, mate: Wright has been saying for the past eight years that he had two Ant-Man stories in his comic-book collection from way back that fascinated him --- "The Man in the Ant-Hill" and "To Steal an Ant-Man." He toyed with the notion of combining those two stories into a film that would feature the 1960s Pym and the modern day Lang; Marvel greenlighted it; and Wright proceeded to sit on it. Eight years later, Wright hasn't changed his story one bit.

um...actually I am arguing against sticking to real time,where as you want it to be that way...so you're kind of misguided in your own argument.

oh you want to cut away another part of his character. So that's atleast 80 percent of the character gone now. wow.
it's so funny if you go onto the dc forums they fight to the death to have the characters keep as much as possible that make them what they are... ye guys are just happy if they have the same name ha ha

 

[Human Torch]

^ It does seem like a giant step back,doesn't it?I thought we'd expect more from our screen adaptions these days.This whole film sounds like something that would've came out in the mid-90's.

 

[Walt Bickle]

^ It does seem like a giant step back,doesn't it?I thought we'd expect more from our screen adaptions these days.This whole film sounds like something that would've came out in the mid-90's.

that's exactly spot on man.
I know this was drafted before the marvel film universe, but they held on to it too long and it's to late now.

 

[KDM1986]

that's exactly spot on man.
I know this was drafted before the marvel film universe, but they held on to it too long and it's to late now.

Well since the movie is being made it's obviously not to late. I for one am really excited to see this movie. I don't see how people can complain about a movie that literally has only 3 people cast so far and hardly and plot details released.

Also keep in mind this is The Marvel Cinematic Universe, not Marvel Comics. The MCU uses the comics for inspiration and ideas not a exact copy.