Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

[Savage]

Lol Some people are going to give themselves aneurisms over this.

 

[TeeKay]

U mad bruh?

He mad for sure.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Dat boi enraged.

 

[TeeKay]

He was angry, needs to take a chill pill. He was over reacting, that gif you posted served him well.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

He was angry, needs to take a chill pill. He was over reacting, that gif you posted served him well.

Yeah, definitely overreacting. Leave it to the beautiful Angela Bassett to correct a fool when they're acting up. That's my go-to "U mad?" gif.

 

[TeeKay]

Yeah, definitely overreacting. Leave it to the beautiful Angela Bassett to correct a fool when they're acting up. That's my go-to "U mad?" gif.

I think we should all wait and reserve our judgement until the movie comes out. Some people are over-reacting over a B-C list superhero who has a fan base coming out of nowhere. Granted there are a few fans here and there but some people are losing it over nothing to be frank, it's ridiculous at this point. People are allowed to be angry and dissapointed without throwing tantrums and suggesting they'll 'boy-cott' the film or that it's 'DOA' for them because we all know that they will be there opening week-end to see this film..

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I think we should all wait and reserve our judgement until the movie comes out. Some people are over-reacting over a B-C list superhero who has a fan base coming out of nowhere. Granted there are a few fans here and there but some people are losing it over nothing to be frank, it's ridiculous at this point. People are allowed to be angry and dissapointed without throwing tantrums and suggesting they'll 'boy-cott' the film or that it's 'DOA' for them because we all know that they will be there opening week-end to see this film..

Very well said, I agree 100%.

 

[Walt Bickle]

If it's understood and accepted that Janet isn't going to be romantically attached to Hank in any way, then why create an added layer and an extraneous character in Vernon Van Dyne? In other words, Pym::daughter is simpler, more immediate and tighter than Pym::surrogate daughter, and achieves exactly the same dramatic effect and relationship.

Plus, as others have suggested, Hank might have married *the* Janet Van Dyne in the past, and this "Janet Pym," their daughter, is the one who becomes Wasp. That's still paying homage to canon, while creating a new one. Which is what Marvel Studios is famous for.



Or, he'd be 70 years old. Born in 1945 = 20 in 1965, 70 in 2015.
And yeah, we understand that, and already did the math. It works. It just shatters the sliding timeline of comic books. (There's a modern art museum somewhere, New York or Washington I believe, that has an interesting display of famous superheroes in modern times without that sliding timeline --- i.e., a Superman on life support, Wonder Woman with a walker, Spider-Man in a nursing home, that sort of thing.)

Also, why do you keep saying "ye?" Arrr ye a pyrate?

so are you saying he was a doctor when he was 17 and came up with the antman project? nice maths man. antman debuted in 62. so if u wanna stick with real time there ya go. i'm irish, it's a plural of you

 

[Savage]

so are you saying he was a doctor when he was 17 and came up with the antman project? nice maths man. antman debuted in 62. so if u wanna stick with real time there ya go. i'm irish, it's a plural of you

Why is it hard to believe that Hank Pym was as much a child prodigy as Tony Stark?

 

[TeeKay]

Very well said, I agree 100%.

Why is it hard to believe that Hank Pym was as much a child prodigy as Tony Stark?

Good question. Didn't Tony like create dummy when he was 17 if I recall correctly?

 

[cherokeesam]

Why is it hard to believe that Hank Pym was as much a child prodigy as Tony Stark?

I was gonna say.
Wright said the opening story is in the 60s; he didn't specify 1962. Although, truth be told, it's a good guess, with Astonishing Tales and the Bay of Pigs and such. Then again, Marvel risks the fancry of "ripoff of XMFC" if they do the Cuban Missile Crisis again. Besides, I'm sure that if they're fictionalizing Castro into "Castillo," they'll fictionalize Cuba into some made up banana republic (*koff* Santa Prisca *koff*).

But to Pym being a child prodigy. Dude's a genius, and was even declared "Scientist Supreme" of earth recently. His brainpower is easily on par with Stark's, if not superior. In the comics, it's usually implied that only Reed Richards is smarter.

 

[chamber-music]

Hank was a child prodigy in the comics. He was smarter than his own parents by the time he was 5 years old.

 

[Ant-manic]

at any rate, i think Wright is on record as saying that he intends him to be a badass secret agent. at least i'm assuming that he was directing the comment towards Hank. i wonder how entrenched in politics, Pym will be in this movie. he, apparently, wasn't playing nice with S.H.I.E.L.D.

 

[TeeKay]

at any rate, i think Wright is on record as saying that he intends him to be a badass secret agent. at least i'm assuming that he was directing the comment towards Hank. i wonder how entrenched in politics, Pym will be in this movie. he, apparently, wasn't playing nice with S.H.I.E.L.D.

When and where did you hear this?

 

[Ant-manic]

When and where did you hear this?

i'm going by Selvig's comments. also, Pym wasn't brought in to consult on the Cube or after Loki's arrival. we haven't heard about him. i'm just speculating that it's because he hasn't made himself available.

 

[Human Torch]

Ok, but what if it's revealed that Pym DOES have a large hand in creating Ultron?? Would his character be acceptable to you then? Or is it the being-older-than-the-avengers and no-relationship-with-Jan thing thats the deal killer??

because he may yet be connected with Ultron, and it seems he may be the original 'superhero', the elder statesman of the Avengers, which would elevate him to a position he could never even hope for in the comics. Sadly, Hank and Janet looks as though it may never happen on film.... unless Janet as Wasp only features in the flashbacks as well, as Pym's girlfriend and partner.

Then, pretty much all your arguments would be moot.

So how bouts we wait and see

If anything,Pym being involved with Ultron's creation at this point,would only come across as a fanservicey nod to appease folks.But it's more than a piece of tech he created.Ultron's fixation on the Pyms was integral to the character. As I said when the news broke over Avengers 2,you've basically taken Pym's only claim to fame away from him. (That,and the Wasp relationship)

Pym really isn't a strong enough character to exist on his own as it is.He needs the Avengers more than they need him.I can't really see any films set in the 60's featuring he and Wasp fighting Egghead.This is more or less a stand alone film.

It might be an entertaining film,and I'll see it opening week,but Pym got a raw deal.No two ways about it.

 

[Ant-manic]

If anything,Pym being involved with Ultron's creation at this point,would only come across as a fanservicey nod to appease folks.But it's more than a piece of tech he created.Ultron's fixation on the Pyms was integral to the character. As I said when the news broke over Avengers 2,you've basically taken Pym's only claim to fame away from him. (That,and the Wasp relationship)

how are you a Pym fan and find him so worthless?

Pym really isn't a strong enough character to exist on his own as it is.He needs the Avengers more than they need him.I can't really see any films set in the 60's featuring he and Wasp fighting Egghead.This is more or less a stand alone film.

how do you know? you haven't even met him. Douglas' Pym might be more than strong enough to be a solo film lead.

It might be an entertaining film,and I'll see it opening week,but Pym got a raw deal.No two ways about it.

not nearly as raw as Rick Jones.

 

[TeeKay]

i'm going by Selvig's comments. also, Pym wasn't brought in to consult on the Cube or after Loki's arrival. we haven't heard about him. i'm just speculating that it's because he hasn't made himself available.

Alright, that makes sense.

If anything,Pym being involved with Ultron's creation at this point,would only come across as a fanservicey nod to appease folks.But it's more than a piece of tech he created.Ultron's fixation on the Pyms was integral to the character. As I said when the news broke over Avengers 2,you've basically taken Pym's only claim to fame away from him. (That,and the Wasp relationship)

Pym really isn't a strong enough character to exist on his own as it is.He needs the Avengers more than they need him.I can't really see any films set in the 60's featuring he and Wasp fighting Egghead.This is more or less a stand alone film.

It might be an entertaining film,and I'll see it opening week,but Pym got a raw deal.No two ways about it.

 

[Human Torch]

how are you a Pym fan and find him so worthless?

I never called him "worthless".Realistically,he's a 3rd tier character.I guarantee if they gave him the 4 star treatment Iron Man got (who was considered a 2nd tier character) he'd be a top character.

how do you know? you haven't even met him. Douglas' Pym might be more than strong enough to be a solo film lead.

But the 60's are going to have few (if any) other heroes/villains to play with.

And if they do,it can't surpass what's going on in "present day",since Fury was acting like the world was suddenly filled with people who "can't be matched".

not nearly as raw as Rick Jones.

Truth

 

[Ant-manic]

I never called him "worthless".Realistically,he's a 3rd tier character.I guarantee if they gave him the 4 star treatment Iron Man got (who was considered a 2nd tier character) he'd be a top character.

But the 60's are going to have few (if any) other heroes/villains to play with.

And if they do,it can't surpass what's going on in "present day",since Fury was acting like the world was suddenly filled with people who "can't be matched".

all that means is that Pym matched them. he probably also operated out of the United States. this is how you expand the marvel universe. SHIELD doesn't know everything. if they did, Thor's arrival wouldn't have caught them sleeping. they can easily introduce someone like Elias Starr; who was selling atomic secrets. if you saw the first Captain America movie, you'll recall seeing Jim Hammond in a glass jar. you'll also recall that James Barnes has been active here and there; decades before we first meet Fury. the MCU is a stranger place than we've been led to believe. it's not like things went back to normal after Steve Rogers was frozen.

 

[Endeavor]

If it's understood and accepted that Janet isn't going to be romantically attached to Hank in any way, then why create an added layer and an extraneous character in Vernon Van Dyne? In other words, Pym::daughter is simpler, more immediate and tighter than Pym::surrogate daughter, and achieves exactly the same dramatic effect and relationship.

Plus, as others have suggested, Hank might have married *the* Janet Van Dyne in the past, and this "Janet Pym," their daughter, is the one who becomes Wasp. That's still paying homage to canon, while creating a new one. Which is what Marvel Studios is famous for.

Good point about simplicity, but to me the him marrying a different Janet VanDyne to then have the woman that becomes Wasp be another Janet that is his daughter is also an unnecessary complication.

The point is, if Janet is to be treated and respected as her own character, why must she be linked to Pym in that way at all? I mean why must she be either the girlfriend or some family relation? Having a business or relationship as friends is just as effective at establishing closeness for her to have access to his technology to become Wasp. Why not give us a strong female character that doesn't fall into the cliches we're used to? Instead of being the smart guys daughter or the hero's girlfriend, have her stand on her own.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

not nearly as raw as Rick Jones.

Most definitely.

 

[Supez808]

I think its pretty obvious this is whats going to happen:
They are going to have TWO HENRY PYM ANT-MANS. One in the past (played by an unknown actor) and one in the present day(Michael Douglas) who passes the mantle to scott lang. I believe there will also be TWO WASPS. Obviously one played by a younger actress and one closer to michael douglas' age.

 

[cherokeesam]

If anything,Pym being involved with Ultron's creation at this point,would only come across as a fanservicey nod to appease folks.But it's more than a piece of tech he created.Ultron's fixation on the Pyms was integral to the character. As I said when the news broke over Avengers 2,you've basically taken Pym's only claim to fame away from him. (That,and the Wasp relationship)

Pym really isn't a strong enough character to exist on his own as it is.He needs the Avengers more than they need him.I can't really see any films set in the 60's featuring he and Wasp fighting Egghead.This is more or less a stand alone film.

Except for the fact that Douglas has most definitely said that Marvel is trying to hook him for future movies.

Would that mean "The Further Adventures of Young Hank" in the 60s? Obviously not, since there's probably going to be someone else playing Young Hank in this movie.

Would that mean "Ant-Man 2" and beyond? Possibly; but *probably* not. Ant-Man was never intended to be a solo franchise, and trying to extend it by digging up absolutely ludicrous foes from a practically nonexistent rogues gallery will only illustrate the point.

So....what, then? Most likely Marvel's intent is to bring Hank Pym, Scott Lang, and Wasp into the Avengers.

Shocker.

Because, you know....that's those three's main claim to fame in the comics, because they've always been Avengers, and always will be Avengers, and if you're going to make a movie about the Avengers, you're going to include these Avengers.......

It's not rocket science, people. Pym/Giant-Man is going to be an Avenger. So is Lang/Ant-Man. So is Wasp. Who gives a rat's ass what age scatter all three of them exist in? Cross-generational; Pym's powerset doesn't require him to be young or athletic. And besides, a stunt man will be playing Ant-Man and/or Giant-Man in the movies; and the Ant-Man suit we've seen so far is completely self-contained, so that audiences won't know who's behind the mask at all.

Let me do this some more.
Because y'all are trying wayyyy too hard to ignore the obvious and write Pym off when Marvel is clearly writing Pym *in.*

 

[Walt Bickle]

Why is it hard to believe that Hank Pym was as much a child prodigy as Tony Stark?

no it's not hard to beleive, but ye want to stick to real time, you can't pick and choose how it works. was hank a child prodigy in 1962 when he became antman?? no. can't have your cake and eat it too