Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

[Ant-manic]

It just seems like a case of the tail wagging the dog."Forget the comic version of Pym,we'll adapt Wright's version."Yeah,itcomic ("To steal an Ant Man") but Hank wasn't an "Elder Statesman" in that,was he? might be based on a Why make him so old?It only serves to sever any meaningful action Pym might've had in the MCU.Now he may show up and give advice to Stark,Banner or whatever.Big Whoop.

depends on your perspective. from my perspective, he definitely was an elder statesman. he was the oldest of the original Avengers; physically. and he was just about to go through the fall of yellowjacket and temporarily retire from the superhero biz. Scott Lang knew that Hank had been Ant-Man. so he was around long enough to have been in the news; to count as a current event. think about how full of a life Pym had led up until the point that Scott Lang showed up. he had been married twice. he had designed weapons for the military and helped organize the Avengers. he had been through 3 or 4 costumed identities.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Michael Douglas brings something lacking in the MCU right now: history and depth. Right now, we don't know what the heck happened in the MCU between Cap getting frozen and the Hulk treatment being invented. Douglas' character bridges that gap, and what better vehicle to use than one of the founding Avengers in the comics, who the general audience knows very little about.

The fact that superheroes existed before Iron Man and Hulk and after Cap brings a host of storyline possibilities for future films.

And again, I'd like to point out that Ant Man as a standalone property is box office poison, and the fact that the Marvel film group found a way to make this character compelling as the centre of his own movie is a tribute to the character.

 

[Ant-manic]

Michael Douglas brings something lacking in the MCU right now: history and depth. Right now, we don't know what the heck happened in the MCU between Cap getting frozen and the Hulk treatment being invented. Douglas' character bridges that gap, and what better vehicle to use than one of the founding Avengers in the comics, who the general audience knows very little about.

it's certainly a good nod to the Tales to Astonish era. they should find some way to namedrop Anton Druid.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Ant-Man is also one of the very few characters where MS can make this angle with the original hero in the past, successor in the 21st century work. not that many legacy heroes in the Marvel universe. So if MS wanted to explore the 20th century superheroes further he naturally is the best option.

 

[KDM1986]

Michael Douglas brings something lacking in the MCU right now: history and depth. Right now, we don't know what the heck happened in the MCU between Cap getting frozen and the Hulk treatment being invented. Douglas' character bridges that gap, and what better vehicle to use than one of the founding Avengers in the comics, who the general audience knows very little about.

The fact that superheroes existed before Iron Man and Hulk and after Cap brings a host of storyline possibilities for future films.

And again, I'd like to point out that Ant Man as a standalone property is box office poison, and the fact that the Marvel film group found a way to make this character compelling as the centre of his own movie is a tribute to the character.

(slowly stands up)

 

[The Infernal]

I wonder if we'll see any X3 style de-aging with some flashback scenes for Douglas as Pym?

 

[cph9fa]

Michael Douglas brings something lacking in the MCU right now: history and depth. Right now, we don't know what the heck happened in the MCU between Cap getting frozen and the Hulk treatment being invented. Douglas' character bridges that gap, and what better vehicle to use than one of the founding Avengers in the comics, who the general audience knows very little about.

The fact that superheroes existed before Iron Man and Hulk and after Cap brings a host of storyline possibilities for future films.

And again, I'd like to point out that Ant Man as a standalone property is box office poison, and the fact that the Marvel film group found a way to make this character compelling as the centre of his own movie is a tribute to the character.

 

[chamber-music]

I think the best way to portray Pym in the modern day with Douglas in the role is West Coast Avengers 'Doctor Pym' scientific MacGuyver style adventurer.

No superhero costume just a jump suit type outfit with lots of pockets full of shrunken weapons and technology like in the comics.

 

[Ant-manic]

that jumpsuit would look ridiculous on screen, imo.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Michael Douglas brings something lacking in the MCU right now: history and depth. Right now, we don't know what the heck happened in the MCU between Cap getting frozen and the Hulk treatment being invented. Douglas' character bridges that gap, and what better vehicle to use than one of the founding Avengers in the comics, who the general audience knows very little about.

The fact that superheroes existed before Iron Man and Hulk and after Cap brings a host of storyline possibilities for future films.

And again, I'd like to point out that Ant Man as a standalone property is box office poison, and the fact that the Marvel film group found a way to make this character compelling as the centre of his own movie is a tribute to the character.

I agree with all of this. And if we happen to see John Slattery's Howard Stark again I can't say I'd wouldn't be absolutely thrilled. Or for that matter a young Nick Fury.

Also if any of the Netflix series (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones) are set in the late 60s or 70s, wouldn't that just mesh so well? Possibly even making the Avengers Initiative a direct response to the success of the Defenders Initiative 40 years prior?

 

[Pink Ranger]

Also if any of the Netflix series (Daredevil, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Jessica Jones) are set in the late 60s or 70s, wouldn't that just mesh so well? Possibly even making the Avengers Initiative a direct response to the success of the Defenders Initiative 40 years prior?

Interesting. And considering that the new team has a much more aggressive name than the old team (avenging vs. defending) maybe the Defenders Initiative ended tragically. Which is why older Pym is very haunted (Douglas can pull of haunted in his sleep) and refuses to directly get involved in heroics anymore.

 

[Walt Bickle]

Interesting. And considering that the new team has a much more aggressive name than the old team (avenging vs. defending) maybe the Defenders Initiative ended tragically. Which is why older Pym is very haunted (Douglas can pull of haunted in his sleep) and refuses to directly get involved in heroics anymore.

I think the defenders are gonna be set in present time with a different line up in the MCU... or am i wrong about that? i heard they were makin a series and think luke cage and a few others are supposed to be in it.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I think the defenders are gonna be set in present time with a different line up in the MCU... or am i wrong about that? i heard they were makin a series and think luke cage and a few others are supposed to be in it.

If that's the case, they can make "Pym's team" The Invaders instead. That has a cool 60s-70s vibe anyway.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think the defenders are gonna be set in present time with a different line up in the MCU... or am i wrong about that? i heard they were makin a series and think luke cage and a few others are supposed to be in it.

Right, read my post. Just a couple above yours. I really don't think they confirmed the Netflix series would be set in modern times.

I'm saying maybe the Netflix series' are set in the 60s/70s and the Defenders were the original inspiration for the Avengers.

 

[Walt Bickle]

ha ha . It's good to see someone out there who appreciates duran duran. Great band and I think the chauffeur is one of the best songs ever made.

Elaborate. And please don't bring up Ultron, that horse has been so beaten, there's nothing left to beat.

I'd rather not dude. I'm only repeating myself cos I keep answering the same questions. it's in my older comments if your bothered to read them again. We will just leave at that I wanted to see the character develop into what he would become and your happy that it's a character called hank pym.

 

[Walt Bickle]

Right, read my post. Just a couple above yours. I really don't think they confirmed the Netflix series would be set in modern times.

I'm saying maybe the Netflix series' are set in the 60s/70s and the Defenders were the original inspiration for the Avengers.

Just read it there, I would hate that to be honest, I just don't like the idea of throwing good characters into different era's separating them from the rest of the heroes. specially daredevil. throw the silver age characters in that aren't used anymore.

I wouldn't mind Luke Cage being power man in the 80's or something but that's it.

I know shield have been around for a long time but I really got the impression that the avengers initiation was the first time a group of extraordinary people were put together... but then again maybe they did and it went wrong that's why fury's overheads frowned upon the avengers initiative.

I think it would be interesting if they did a series with the 2nd Captain America, Bucky, submariner the original human torch in an older era. And it would go wrong for sure.

 

[BitofaGeek]

I had no idea what to expect before, but now I'm even more clueless.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Douglas had better shout the lines "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" at some point in this movie.

 

[The_Manhunter]

rofl

 

[Chris B]

I wonder if we'll see any X3 style de-aging with some flashback scenes for Douglas as Pym?

That's what I'm hoping for and I think that what they'll do.

 

[Ant-manic]

i wouldn't mind that. but i'd also be up for them actually casting a younger actor for past-Hank. i wonder if Greg Kinnear is available.

 

[RockSP]

but i'd also be up for them actually casting a younger actor for past-Hank.

That's the sensible thing to do, IMO.

 

[Ant-manic]

Right, read my post. Just a couple above yours. I really don't think they confirmed the Netflix series would be set in modern times.

I'm saying maybe the Netflix series' are set in the 60s/70s and the Defenders were the original inspiration for the Avengers.

Empire magazine makes it seem present day w/ Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, and Daredevil as the Defenders; after their individual projects.

 

[seahammer]

i wouldn't mind that. but i'd also be up for them actually casting a younger actor for past-Hank. i wonder if Greg Kinnear is available.

 

[Ant-manic]

y'know what might be cool? what if they establish that Pym suspected that there was some kind of evil element (whatever's going on with Redford's character) within S.H.I.E.L.D. and that's why he rejected invitation to the Avengers initiative? i think it might be good to present him as more careful than someone like Stark (despite his own spying on the organization). they could include a flashback with him giving Sitwell the stink eye.