Ant-Man Michael Douglas is Hank Pym

[Shazam]

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Clarify that; *then* we'll talk about "comprehensive reading." You're losing something in the translation there.






The ageism in these Ant-Man forums is getting ridiculous. "Old people suck," that about sum it up? Yeah, thought so.

No ! What people are saying is that TYPE MATTERS!! Good grief let's get Anthony Hopkins to be Bruce Wayne, if all that matters is that the actor is a legend!!

Can Douglas play an older Pym?? Yes!! But I don't want him being the Pym who fought crime in the 60's!

Why does that not make sense??? Just because we have Black "Norwegian gods" and a black Kingpin and a black Perry White, does not mean that ALL "type" is out the door!! They toyed with a black Wonder Woman......"sigh"..... And if you dare say that none of this makes sense, you are branded a bigot. Granted.........Clark Duncan, Fishburne and Elba did great! I'm just a purist ......I like my characters jumping off the page "as is". I wouldn't want Brad Pitt playing T'Challa either. Even though he too is an excellent actor!

 

[Pink Ranger]

I wonder if this means they will reveal there used to be another Avengers-type group in the olden days that Pym belonged to. Call them The Invaders awesome or something. It could have consisted of Pym, Captain America II (the MCU reimagining of John Walker), Black Panther (T'Chaka), the android Human Torch (referencing Ultron and setting up Simon Williams/The Vision), Prince Namor and maybe a few cameos from random period heroes like Union Jack, Spitfire and Whizzer. And of course a young and eager sidekick named Nick Fury.

 

[chamber-music]

I wonder if this means they will reveal there used to be another Avengers-type group in the olden days that Pym belonged to. Call them The Invaders awesome or something. It could have consisted of Pym, Captain America II (the MCU reimagining of John Walker), Black Panther (T'Chaka), the android Human Torch (referencing Ultron and setting up Simon Williams/The Vision), Prince Namor and maybe a few cameos from random period heroes like Union Jack, Spitfire and Whizzer. And of course a young and eager sidekick named Nick Fury.

Minute Men to the Avengers Watchmen

 

[fixxxer]

Can Douglas play an older Pym?? Yes!! But I don't want him being the Pym who fought crime in the 60's!

Is this the sole source of your grief? If so, you can rest easy. I think it's safe to say that Michael Douglas will not be portraying the younger Pym who fought crime in the 60's. It will, in all probability, be a younger actor portraying a younger Pym. Or did I misunderstand you and you meant that you didn't want to see Pym in the 60's at all? Which, ironically, would be antithetical to your "purist" ethos.

 

[DocHoliday]

This plot sounds slightly reminiscent of The Mask of Zorro. The dynamic of the leads I mean.

 

[Human Torch]

Well,I'm sure the majority is going to gush about how great this is,but to me,they just gave Pym the rawest deal any Marvel character has ever gotten up to now.

Now,Douglas is a fine actor,and I'm sure he'll do great, (and I'm not gonna boycott the film-bla-bla-bla) but this is basically like making a Batman Beyond movie,while having NO intention of making a traditional Batman film.Just think what people are saying and replace Ant Man with Batman.

"But we have a Batman,he's just not Bruce Wayne"
"Terry can still join the Justice League"
"Catwoman can still be in it.....if they just revamp the character.(Make her daughter of the first Catwoman?)"
"We still have Bruce Wayne....he's just 70 now....but he WAS Batman"

Now I'm sure everyone will jump on the "Ant Man isn't Batman" the same as they did with the "Mandarin isn't Joker" analogies,but Pym deserved MUCH better.
He's not a founding member of Avengers?No problem.
He didn't invent Ultron?What am I gonna do,cry about it?
Now he's 70,(a good 45 years older than his contemporaries) will have little to no action scenes,and will either be married to a 60y/o Janet,or the character will be equally bastardized to fit in with the current Avengers.

I really can't see how this is a "good" thing,but if you do,more power to ya,I suppose.

 

[The Batman]

'through the circumstances surrounding the production of the movie it is extremely unlikely we will see Bruce Wayne taking up Batman persona on screen in the forseeable future'

here is where the magic lies. it is not

that if somebody made a Batman Beyond movie first, there'd be no chance to see Bruce Wayne ever in the movies

not at all, because your statement implicates or states
.) no Bruce Wayne
.) ever
.) because of the movie

instead of
.) no Bruce Wayne active as Batman
.) in the forsseable future
.) because of circumstances surrounding the production (as in 'the movie is part of a bigger narrative that leaves little place for Bruce Wayne centric prequels' as an example)

also

He, and others, are making wildly inaccurate assumptions that this news means Pym is going to die

is simply false (at least the 'He' part, can't speak for the others). this stuff is something you completely pulled out your rectum and is nowhere to be found in my analogy

but

that he's not going to be in The Avengers

is likely, at least not in an active role and only as a consultant

and to clarify that, I wrote this analogy to help people understand why people are dissappointed. not because I am dissappointed, because I'm certainly not (well a little bit maybe). which you probably know, because that was the opening sentence of my post.

Most people understand what you were saying, its just that some posters like to misconstrue people's words so they can tear them down easier.

 

[Pink Ranger]

Well,I'm sure the majority is going to gush about how great this is,but to me,they just gave Pym the rawest deal any Marvel character has ever gotten up to now.

^ I kind of get what you're saying, but at the same time as one of the gushers, I feel the current treatment of the movie shows a great deal of respect to the character.

For one thing, let's be honest, Ant Man is not Batman, and is in fact one of the most unmarketable superhero properties out there. He has a weak brand name (the name is one that people find silly, and that Hank Pym has had several different hero names in the comics weakens it further), his powers are not "sexy" or even easy to portray on screen, and he has to share screen time with Iron Man, Thor and Captain America, whether directly in a future Avengers movie or indirectly in the minds of the audience who have likely seen many MCU movies.

How difficult would it be to create a compelling movie for this character with so many negatives attached to it? By taking the liberties they have taken, they've breathed new life into Ant Man, IMO.

 

[Shazam]

Is this the sole source of your grief? If so, you can rest easy. I think it's safe to say that Michael Douglas will not be portraying the younger Pym who fought crime in the 60's. It will, in all probability, be a younger actor portraying a younger Pym. Or did I misunderstand you and you meant that you didn't want to see Pym in the 60's at all? Which, ironically, would be antithetical to your "purist" ethos.

Indeed, you are correct........But if they are going take creative license, then it should still make sense.

 

[YJ1]

Hate to say this but:

NEWSFLASH!

Pym wasn't EVER portrayed as a fragile old many in any of the stories he's famous for. None of that alternate future or what if? crap applies here.

I just spent the morning and afternoon vomiting because of this casting and news that they are going to absolutely screw Hank Pym. I don't care to see him in flashbacks.

I really can't convey how much this plot turn pisses me off. Marvel has lost a lot of their base with this move. Maybe that doesn't matter to them at this point?

 

[The Batman]

I just spent the morning and afternoon vomiting because of this casting and news that they are going to absolutely screw Hank Pym. I don't care to see him in flashbacks.

I really can't convey how much this plot turn pisses me off. Marvel has lost a lot of their base with this move. Maybe that doesn't matter to them at this point?

They may've lost their "base" (which I doubt), but IM3 still made a billion dollars, even with the Mandarin twist.

 

[YJ1]

Pym deserved MUCH better.
He's not a founding member of Avengers?No problem.
He didn't invent Ultron?What am I gonna do,cry about it?
Now he's 70,(a good 45 years older than his contemporaries) will have little to no action scenes,and will either be married to a 60y/o Janet,or the character will be equally bastardized to fit in with the current Avengers.

I really can't see how this is a "good" thing,but if you do,more power to ya,I suppose.

This is exactly why this movie will not get one dime from me. Look at my avatar for heaven sake. They have lost a lot of fans with this abuse.

 

[YJ1]

They may've lost their "base" (which I doubt), but IM3 still made a billion dollars even with the Mandarin twist.

I loved IM3 as did most fans. I added quite a bit to that billion. I will not add one dime to Ant-Man's box office. I can only speak for myself, however.

 

[Suzanne78]

But what if the footage looks amazing?

What if Michael Douglas creates a fascinating Hank Pym?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

But what if the footage looks amazing?

What if Michael Douglas creates a fascinating Hank Pym?

It doesn't matter. He will smell like old people and run his furnace way too high

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

I loved IM3 as did most fans. I added quite a bit to that billion. I will not add one dime to Ant-Man's box office. I can only speak for myself, however.

why not? personal preferances aside it is a smart move. There are not that many legacy heroes in the marvel universe and ant-man is probably the biggest name on that list. there is a huge gap from 1945 to 2008 in the MCU timeline with only the 1974 stark expo being in between. having pym be a hero in the 60ies fills that gap a little bit (and we might get 60ies ant-man movies in the future to expand on that) while still having an ant-man now to join the avengers. and pym can still be a founder of the avengers that way by birthing the idea of that initative.

focus on the positive aspects and all is well.

 

[Endeavor]

I have doubts the movie will spend a lot of time in the 60's stuff. Maybe 20 mins tops.
Why would they cast and announce the 2 actors we know of so far if they're only half of the movie? We would've also heard about at least the 60's Pym by now. I don't think they would have hired Douglas for only half a movie.

 

[Ant-manic]

This is exactly why this movie will not get one dime from me. Look at my avatar for heaven sake. They have lost a lot of fans with this abuse.

just not an important number.

 

[Pink Ranger]

They might have lost fans, but they've gained the general audience, who would have scoffed at a traditional Ant Man film. If I'm the producer paying for this movie, I'd call it a win.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I guarantee you the number of people pissed off over this enough to actively avoid the film is hilariously low. Not even a drop in the bucket.

 

[Ant-manic]

Hope it's Jamie Bell, and it's during the 1970s.
Wait, maybe they de-age Douglas with special effects and have him play young Pym too. It's only flashbacks so there won't be much action and fights.

Don't forget that Christopher Lee played a sith at the age of 80 and 83, and his character was a great fighter

if it is Jamie Bell, count on Ant-man 2 taking place in the past. Bell is more the action star that i was expecting, at least. they did say that Pena is sticking around/playing a bigger part. maybe that's what they mean; wearing old age makeup in the first and deaging for the sequels. could be interesting.

i'd be curious to see the reactions of the people vowing to boycott the movie if the plan has always been to do this non-linear and have the next movie pickup with Pym's adventures in the past.

 

[Pink Ranger]

I guarantee you the number of people pissed off over this enough to actively avoid the film is hilariously low. Not even a drop in the bucket.

I don't know, all the hardcore Ant Man fans out there ...

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I don't know, all the hardcore Ant Man fans out there ...

Much like the "vast legions" of Mandarin fans whose wailing accomplished little other than annoying the rest of us.

 

[TeeKay]

Much like the "vast legions" of Mandarin fans whose wailing accomplished little other than annoying the rest of us.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Much like the "vast legions" of Mandarin fans whose wailing accomplished little other than annoying the rest of us.

hmmm. other than the fact that there ARE pym fans out there. I grew up with him being with the west coast avengers and fell in love with that character at that time and I like that he is one of the pschologically most complex and disturbed heroes marvel has to offer.
so I can understand the sentiments other pym fans have right now.
the mandarin people, well, those were nutjobs.
...'but the trailerz lied to us. they liiiiiiiiied!!!!'