Michael Jackson verses Beatles:Come together better version

Which version is more enjoyable?

  • Michael Jackson's

  • The Beatle's

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Paul would not have trouble getting his album out. And I dont' know how you can't see the hypocrisy. Tell me what was paul mad about precisely with the commercials?

He'd have trouble getting it sold without the aid of a major sponsor. We are in day and age where good music is being thrown away in favor of crap. Paul's album would go ignored. His last album barely was a hit, so a major sponsor was needed. Thanks to Starbucks, his new album, which is a masterpiece, is a smash, and deservedly so.

There's no hypeocisy because Michael was using it to hock a product that had nothing to do with Beatles. He shamelessly marketed the song to make money off a product that had nothing to do with the music of The Beatles or The Beatles in general. He also disrespected Lennon, who wrote "Revolution" and didn't want his music to be used in that fashion because its message was deeper than that.
 
But the thing is, Nancy, Paul appeared in a commercial with his music. He chose to do that when he agreed to the contract with Starbucks.

He and the other Beatles, well the ones that are still living, never had a say with regard to the Beatles' music appearing in commercials.

I never tried to say anything. I said it pretty damn clear. Not my fault if you misunderstand it

You've been pretty clear, really. And dead on the money.

Stevie Nicks is another one. I saw her last week and she still rocks.

:up: She's awesome.

jag
 
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Oh my GOD!!! IT'S STEVIE NICKS!!!!

:woot:
 
:up: She's awesome.

jag

The woman performed in freezing winds while the front row was submerged in 2 feet of water. You can't get more badass than that. She joked that her outfit was the most clothes she had ever worn onstage.
 
And then 20 years later, Paul attempted to buy the rights to the 180 Beatles songs back.

MJ outbid him for them and lost a friend.

You're just pissed that Paul criticized your idol, Denise

He's not my idol. I have no idol.

I dont' think they were really friends. More like acquantentinces. Michael Jackson is insane. He likes to play hide and seek, climb trees, watch cartoons, and have sleep overs with little kids.

You really think that sounds like a good time to Paul McCartney? Paul seems pretty normal for the most part.

I think Paul merely respected him as an accomplished musician. I'm sure that in today's world, even if MJ never bought the rights, Paul would think he's insane and creepy.
 
I dont' think they were really friends. More like acquantentinces. Michael Jackson is insane. He likes to play hide and seek, climb trees, watch cartoons, and have sleep overs with little kids.

You really think that sounds like a good time to Paul McCartney? Paul seems pretty normal for the most part

I doubt Michael was wakcy back during the time they were friends. Michael didn't start to show signs of wackiness unil the mid 1980s'.
 
He'd have trouble getting it sold without the aid of a major sponsor. We are in day and age where good music is being thrown away in favor of crap. Paul's album would go ignored. His last album barely was a hit, so a major sponsor was needed. Thanks to Starbucks, his new album, which is a masterpiece, is a smash, and deservedly so.

There's no hypeocisy because Michael was using it to hock a product that had nothing to do with Beatles. He shamelessly marketed the song to make money off a product that had nothing to do with the music of The Beatles or The Beatles in general. He also disrespected Lennon, who wrote "Revolution" and didn't want his music to be used in that fashion because its message was deeper than that.

what do you think is the motivating factor behind Starbucks promoting his album? In order to get his album out there he has to play the game, just like he played the game a long time ago. part of the consequence was having his stuff in a commercial then, and part of the consequence now is having his stuff in a commercial.

My point is that in order to get his album out there, he needed to let investors make profit. It's no different today than it was back then, except now non talented people get famous.
 
I doubt Michael was wakcy back during the time they were friends. Michael didn't start to show signs of wackiness unil the mid 1980s'.

He was always wacky. He was just simply very secrative about it. MJ's problem is arrested development. He's permanately stunted at the mental capacity of a child. He was never mentally more than a child. Look at his personality and the way he talks, and look at footage from back then. He hasn't changed at all, except his physical appearance.
 
what do you think is the motivating factor behind Starbucks promoting his album? In order to get his album out there he has to play the game, just like he played the game a long time ago. part of the consequence was having his stuff in a commercial then, and part of the consequence now is having his stuff in a commercial.

What game from a long ago? Back during The Beatles' day and age, you didn't need to have too much promotion from corporate sponsor. Talent, charisma and a spot on Ed Sullivan's show every Sunday at 8:00 was pretty much it. Also, during that time, artists didn't have a great deal of control over their material anyway, so when artists appeared on cartoon series, they had no choice. Paul and even moreso John were against it. The Beatles would've gotten along fine without heaps of promotion.
 
He was always wacky. He was just simply very secrative about it. MJ's problem is arrested development. He's permanately stunted at the mental capacity of a child. He was never mentally more than a child. Look at his personality and the way he talks, and look at footage from back then. He hasn't changed at all, except his physical appearance.

I see. A lot of it has to do with his upbringing. The man never had a normal childhood. He's trying to recpature what he missed, I think.
 
So what musical instrument did Michael Jackson play?

which song? For the most part I'd have to look it up, because I dont' have all that stuff memorized, but he can play piano, guitar, drums, base, and several classical instruments. He's not like super good on any of them though. Usually on the albums he has somebody else play them. He creates demos using instruments or beatboxing what he wants the instruments to sound like. Sometimes what you think is an instrument on the actual album is actually him beatboxing, such as tabloid junkie. Like so

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOU5r9yyRd8&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wBvKOD4Zm0&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eecoLLZPSBs&mode=related&search=
 
What game from a long ago? Back during The Beatles' day and age, you didn't need to have too much promotion from corporate sponsor. Talent, charisma and a spot on Ed Sullivan's show every Sunday at 8:00 was pretty much it. Also, during that time, artists didn't have a great deal of control over their material anyway, so when artists appeared on cartoon series, they had no choice. Paul and even moreso John were against it. The Beatles would've gotten along fine without heaps of promotion.

I'm not saying they needed heaps of promotion, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say they didn't earn their recognition. I'm just saying that it costs money to make money. And if record labels had rejected them we never would have heard of them.

And I just really don't think they have much of a reason to be mad, or that anybody else has a reason to be mad. If their songs were being used to promote a politician, guns, or hatred, than they would have a perfectly good reason for being furious. And if that happens they should speak out.

In the instance of what MJ did, if they speak out, their material wont be worth as much, because it doesn't promote the product well, when the song writer speaks out against it. Paul had the right to do that if he wants, but it can make him look bad if he turns around and puts the music in a commerical anyways.

The only difference between what MJ did and what Paul did, is who made the money off of it. Given the circumstances it seems as if the only reason Paul was mad is that MJ got the money instead of him. I know he said a while back, that he hates the fact that he has to write a check to MJ, every time he performs those songs in concert.

but within a year or two Paul will own the rights. that's part of the deal. The rights revert back to Paul very soon. And he will have the right to do whatever he wants with them.
 
And I have to point out, Paul will either make a lot of money off of those rights, or he will sell them, but the only reason they are worth anything is because of the potential to make money off of them. I gurantee Paul will use them to make money. I don't know if he will put them in commercials, because they might not be worth as much for commercials, after Paul spoke out against it. Corporations might be afraid of Paul getting made fun of by the media, and they wouldnt' want to be associated with that.
 
But again, the members of the Beatles agreed to not use the Beatles music in commercials. If they wanted to use their solo stuff in a commercial, well that's their choice.

Don't you see that that might be why Paul was upset? Because a Beatles tune was being used to hock whatever product that the commercial was about? Or did that never enter your mind, Lucy
 
But again, the members of the Beatles agreed to not use the Beatles music in commercials. If they wanted to use their solo stuff in a commercial, well that's their choice.

Don't you see that that might be why Paul was upset? Because a Beatles tune was being used to hock whatever product that the commercial was about? Or did that never enter your mind, Lucy

How did they agree to it? They signed a piece of paper giving people permission to do just that. It's not like they put a condition in their contract that their music not be used like that.

that's what your forgetting here. They gave people the permission to do this.
 
But again, the members of the Beatles agreed to not use the Beatles music in commercials. If they wanted to use their solo stuff in a commercial, well that's their choice.

Don't you see that that might be why Paul was upset? Because a Beatles tune was being used to hock whatever product that the commercial was about? Or did that never enter your mind, Lucy

You've nailed it. Several times over.
 
How did they agree to it? They signed a piece of paper giving people permission to do just that. It's not like they put a condition in their contract that their music not be used like that.

that's what your forgetting here. They gave people the permission to do this.
No they didn't. They signed a contract with a record company so they could make albums. They still had a say regarding their music.
 
No they didn't. They signed a contract with a record company so they could make albums. They still had a say regarding their music.

If they never gave anybody permission to do this, than how come MJ is doing it without getting sued? If they didn't forfeit their say, and they didn't give anybody permission to do this, than Paul would have a pretty big lawsuit he could have filed.
 
****ing christ.

I have an easier time talking to my dead dog
 
****ing christ.

I have an easier time talking to my dead dog
Hey anybody can win a debate with a dead dog.

But my point remains unrefuted. They gave somebody permission to use their songs in this manner. If they didn't than MJ would have been guilty of copyright infringment. This is true. You know this is true. It is factually correct. They gave people permission to do this kind of stuff. They might not have been happy about it, but they still agreed to it.
 
The musicians still had a say in their contract. So it wasn't some investor 100% say, musicians 0%.

Quit being a dumbass bringing up suing. No one, except you, has mentioned it. Lay off the Law and Order. It's a great show, but too much of it isn't good.

I know that if Paul was able to have obtained the rest of the rights to the 200 songs that he wrote with Lennon, he'd be splitting 100% of the royalties with Yoko, instead of splitting 50%.

And since the Beatles wouldn't use the band's music in commercials, since that wasn't the point of their music, the commercial that Paul complained about wouldn't have existed.

****ing hell Shirley. Think.

And the reference to the dead dog wasn't about some silly internet debate that's meaningless. It was a referring to something that's more enjoyable to spend time with.
 

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