Michael Keaton Appreciation Thread

[DocLathropBrown]

Moment of weakness? I called you out on b.s. That's it, plain and simple. I didn't make one negative comment about any movies, favorite version of the character, etc.

I don't dish BS, kid. As for your "joke" about Keaton, there was nothing to indicate that it was a joke. I'll tell you and Lennon something at once: if a joke is only funny to you, it isn't a good one.

You seem to be able to give negative comments, but sure as hell can't take them. You use your argument of "your history" as a backdrop for your argument with me, as if that makes yours more legit than mine (it doesn't)...

I can take 'em fine. And the crap about "my history" is to point out that people know my reasoning and how I think by now, which you do not because you're new. So of course I'm a big surprise to you.

You bashed Batman Begins, subtely or not, discredited the fine actors and directional staff behind it, in order to fit your own agenda. I was calling you out on your b.s., and said get back to talking about the merits at hand, aka Michael Keaton. And told you not to have to feel so threatned, as to bring him up in a thread that has nothing to do with that version of the character and/or mythos.

You insulted me AND my opinion by insinuating that my knocking the new franchise is me being insecure. You don't know me, and you don't know what's going through my head, so don't be smug and THINK you do.

I express my opinion, and if you can't handle my opinion with grace, go cry to somebody else.

Time to get a mod involved. I don't want this thread closed, but you people aren't going to stop trying to fight with me like I'm the anti-christ. Lennon, you know I'm telling the truth, and I'll pull out proof to show it. Mamba, you couldn't handle my opinion so you had to chalk my argument up to being petty and "scared" of the new franchise's actors like some two year old. Grow up, both of you.

 

[Black Mamba]

The Joker notwithstanding (aside from Jack's age and the parents/killer thing, he was perfect).

Those things you say "aside from".... are absolutely huge. And if you take out "aside froms" for Scarecrow, and/or Ra's... they are all essentially at their core, exact representation of their comic counterpart... just like the Joker. Joker was fantastic, apart from those things you mention. But don't cover it up. You're a chronic Nolan/Begins basher. Just cause the vision doesn't sit well with you, doesn't mean you have to bash it.

I don't understand why people simply can't like both. I get grins out of both productions, I.E. Burton and Nolan. People are on this perpetual missions to say one os better than the other. They're just different visions of the same character. Some idiot will say "I hate Nolan, cause he has a 'realistic rule'.." First of all, they aren't "rules" for his Batman... it is his artisitic vision to take give a look on Batman we haven't seen on film yet. We have had the fantastical and absurd. Nolan was bringing it back to a place seen in Batman: Year One, etc. It shouldn't be something criticized for. He's not going to ape someone else's vision and/or style of the same character. He's going to make it new, and fresh. As it should be. Just as there are idiots that will bash Burton, and the things he did. Issues with either film are valid, but when you get to saying "Bale won't ever have the chemistry with his future Catwoman, as Keaton did with his..." etc. is just beyond ridiculous. It is plain stupid. Because, you don't know. It isn't opinion, because there isn't even anything to base it on. It hasn't happened yet. It is pure hate spit at a vision, and it is virtually taking cheap shots at a fanbase who does enjoy that vision. Definetely not fair. But as I said before, it works both ways.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I don't understand why people simply can't like both. I get grins out of both productions, I.E. Burton and Nolan. People are on this perpetual missions to say one os better than the other. They're just different visions of the same character. Some idiot will say "I hate Nolan, cause he has a 'realistic rule'.." First of all, they aren't "rules" for his Batman... it is his artisitic vision to take give a look on Batman we haven't seen on film yet. We have had the fantastical and absurd. Nolan was bringing it back to a place seen in Batman: Year One, etc. It shouldn't be something criticized for. He's not going to ape someone else's vision and/or style of the same character. He's going to make it new, and fresh. As it should be. Just as there are idiots that will bash Burton, and the things he did. Issues with either film are valid, but when you get to saying "Bale won't ever have the chemistry with his future Catwoman, as Keaton did with his..." etc. is just beyond ridiculous. It is plain stupid. Because, you don't know. It isn't opinion, because there isn't even anything to base it on. It hasn't happened yet. It is pure hate spit at a vision, and it is virtually taking cheap shots at a fanbase who does enjoy that vision. Definetely not fair. But as I said before, it works both ways.

This is what I was trying to say earlier. If you KNEW me like the other people here do, you'd know that at one time, I DID like both.

As for my definitive statement reguarding Keaton/Catwoman and Bale being inadequate in the future... I didn't mean it as seriously as you're taking it, and you need NOT to take things other people say on the internet so seriously, it's really foolish. There's always going to be people who are opinionated out there, you have to get used to it.

And if you followed who I was beyond this thread, you'd see my stick up for aspects of Begins, even in THIS very thread. Drop your crazy ass vendetta against me.

 

[mister Lennon]

Dude, stop for a minute your show of lies and hear me. Show me when i posted that michael keaton was fat. Bald? Yes, i said it. But he looked bald in some movies and for that reason i assumed that he was wearing a wig in the batman movies, but i reconigzed that i was wrong in this particular issue. The only thing that i said and i will keep saying that Keaton was short for being batman and he was and is short in real life and less of 5´10. I said that he was unmuscular and out of sharpe to be batman, and those things are true. I didnt post any lie about your beloved Keaton as you claims. I said well that he was a great actor in many generes, but i just disliked his performance as batman and bruce wayne and the burton concept about the character and the story. That is my sin and those are my lies?

And now show me when i threated the people who liked tim burton movies the burton and keaton fans like stupids, except in that joke that i did with the imagine words. Ask to Kevin Rogele, i have talked with him before some times and he loved the burton movies, not problem at all with him. Ask that poster with the black panther avatar, i think that his name is chris or something like that, not problem with him and he liked the burton movies.

Dont try to show me like a kind of selfish idiot threating the people like inferiors for liking something diferent to my taste, because is totally false.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I give up. I cannot reason with you, Lennon. Becuase you won't look past your pride and realize that yes, even you, screw up. I'm not going to waste my time proving the things you do, because you'll deny it, just as you denyed the fact that you were wrong about Keaton being shorter than everyone else in the world when I brought proof. You completely misinterpret my words and hear what you want to hear: that I'm persecuting you. I'm trying to be reasonable and stick up for myself when I'm NOT wrong for once, and I can't get a word in edge-wise with you two.

Please close this mess of a thread.

 

[Black Mamba]

I don't dish BS, kid. As for your "joke" about Keaton, there was nothing to indicate that it was a joke. I'll tell you and Lennon something at once: if a joke is only funny to you, it isn't a good one.

Son, another fellow Burton fan laughed at it... right after I posted it. He said something along the lines of: "Haha, Burton's films were great, but Keaton's hair did like like pubes."...

And you were dishing b.s. You made a ridiculously stupid / ignorant comment, based on nothing. You judged something before it even came to fruition.

I can take 'em fine. And the crap about "my history" is to point out that people know my reasoning and how I think by now, which you do not because you're new. So of course I'm a big surprise to you.

Either way, it doesn't matter. I'm new, addressing YOU, so "history" to me doesn't make a difference. I was addressing YOU. Not everyone else.

You insulted me

How did insult YOU? I didn't say one insulting thing about you, son. You caught feelings over a joke about Michael Keaton.

AND my opinion by insinuating that my knocking the new franchise is me being insecure.

You did.

And it was.

Just like the people who hate and bash Burton. You're just in the opposite corner. And then you had to say "pick a side", and proceed to say I can't throw jokes out about Keaton? Who the hell are you? lol... Making a joke, by no means projected that I don't like Keaton and/or the Burton films. I clearly stated I like them.

You don't know me, and you don't know what's going through my head, so don't be smug and THINK you do.

Son, it was obvious in the way you worded it. You were taking shots at BEGINS, and the BEGINS fan family.

I express my opinion, and if you can't handle my opinion with grace, go cry to somebody else.

It wasn't opinion. It was ignorance, and stupidity. You can't develop an "opinion" on something that hasn't been even made. That means you developed pre-conceived notions. You were hating on BEGINS and their crew. Saying something sucks, or won't be as good as "such and such" before it is even made, is ignorance. You don't know. So how can you make and/or form an actual opinion? There is nothing to base it on. You were bashing. It was hate. It was stupidity, rotten, ignorant b.s. of a statement.

Time to get a mod involved. I don't want this thread closed, but you people aren't going to stop trying to fight with me like I'm the anti-christ.

Melodramatic, much? Who said you're the anti-christ?

Mamba, you couldn't handle my opinion

I had no problem with your actual opinions. I had a problem with your attempts at subtle bashing of another movie, and its development crew. That is all I called you out on, and you caught feelings, kid.

so you had to chalk my argument up to being petty and "scared" of the new franchise's actors like some two year old. Grow up, both of you.

Well you obviously are, little buddy. If you had to make a statement saying Bale with whomever wouldn't be as good as Keaton and Pfieffer, before you even see anything to judge it on... you are insecure with your projected "best version" (which I have seen you state, numerous of times)... it was quite obvious, little buddy. You felt threatned, and judged something before it has even come out. I just called you out on it. NEXT...

Now, kid... go run tell the moderators...because you can't take the argument and/or conversation. You're just that type of hall monitor. So, I can respect that.

 

[mister Lennon]

Doc, you are the one who is doing that crazy vendetta against yourself. Your worst foe is yourself and your words. You looks like you are obsessed with Michael Keaton and Tim Burton and take any critizment against them like a personal issue. Fine if you like them and their movies, but take it easy.Even it looks that you bash so much nolan because his movie overshadow the burton movies for the new generations. I dont know if this last thing is true, but it looks like it.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

I could care less that a new franchise is eclipsing the Burton films. It doesn't take them away from me. By all means, let a better franchise come, but I feel it isn't Nolan's franchise.

The problem is you people are taking MY opinions way too personally.

And I only seem like I take anti-Keaton/Burton words personally because so many of the criticisms are UNFOUNDED and unreasonable. If people weren't unreasonable, you wouldn't see me act the way I do. Because people aren't just criticising the Burton films, they are BASHING. There's a difference.

I'm a Batman fan, first and foremost. I like what Burton did, and I'm not liking what Nolan is doing. I love B:TAS. I love "The Batman". I've been a Batman fan for as long as I can remember. I have a right to my opinion, and I have the right to express it any way I choose, short of personally insulting other people. People around here just don't seem to be able to handle it.

 

[mister Lennon]

I totally agree with black mamba, the problem with doc is he is going too far about this keaton and burton issue and take the critizment against them and their movies like personal atacks or something like that. Like mamba said, the thing about keaton cheministry with michelle will be better than bale with anyone is just absurd because there arent anything to compare with.

Doc, if you want to stop this discussion, not problem with it, but dude, dont take those coments against michael keaton and tim burton so far.

 

[Black Mamba]

People around here just don't seem to be able to handle it.

It seems like it is the opposite. I make a joke, you call me a disguised Keaton/Burton basher... or whatever the hell that means. You're the one catching feelings, then reporting to moderators. haha So childish.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

So it's decended to personal insults, has it? I won't stoop to your level.

I will admit I overreacted to your joke. I do react strongly to things. But, you took my semi-lighthearted knock at the new franchise too strongly yourself. And for someone who talks like he thinks he's older than me, you're sure being immature.

If somebody bashes a film you like, ignore it. Or don't come on strong insulting them by insinuating that they're insecure. That is a lesson that I'm STILL trying to learn. But around here, if you don't learn immediately, you get ridiculed to Hell and back.

And I inform moderators because it's in THE RULES. You understand that, you 12-year old pissant? The rules are there for a reason. Bringing in the authorities doesn't make me any less of a man. If anything, it makes me smarter than you, because you can never win in an internet argument. I ****ed up. I SHOULD have never responded to your slight insults at me, and I should have never overreacted to your joke, even though there was nothing to indicate that it WAS a joke.

Calling me childish just proves that you are. I don't know how old you are, but you don't act like anything better that a 12 year old. Making fun of people for following the rules.... what is this.... grade school?

And yes, I know calling you a isspant went against my "not stooping to insults" coda from the beginning of the post, but bite me. If others should be able to get away with it, I should be able to every once in a blue moon.

 

[Dew k. Mosi]

I can do nothing else. This thread is closed. If you don't want your opinions bashed, either side of this argument, don't post it for open debate. If you want a thread soley for worship of one performance over another, go to a forum dedicated to that particular actor. I'm sorry if there is this disagreement, and I am putting an end to this now. No one is to take this argument to another thread, no one is to call anyone names elsewhere, no one is to insult another's opinion elsewhere.

Grow up, all of you.

And, Adam West was the best Batman EVER

 

[DOG LIPS]

And, Adam West was the best Batman EVER

Pfft.