Military coup in Turkey

[Baneis8feettall]

Wow.. politicians ask everyone to go outside and protest while they are in their safe places.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Also they don't want to talk about fate of chief of military at the moment.

 

[Ruth Fisher]

So is the military taking over a good thing then? Maybe it will make Turkey more safe? idk

 

[Webfoot Hero]

What would you do if you were in his shoes right now?
A coup against him means he's likely to get shot at landing home, but if none of the citizens did anything it would be a mere win for the military.

Honestly, I don't want the country to fall into Civil War, I'd rather see violent members of the military stopped and prosecuted, and for situations to be more stable again.

But you aren't going to get that with Erdogan as president. He's become a semi-tinpot dictator who's gotten way too chummy with Putin and certain Islamist factions and taken away numerous civil liberties that many Turks liked and wanted.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Wow.. politicians ask everyone to go outside and protest while they are in their safe places.

Doesn't that happen everywhere?

Stay safe man.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Not trying to be a dictator would be a start. Not pissing off the military, and turning a blind eye to ISIS, would also be on the list.

He brought this on himself.

But right now? He should have stood his ground. If Erdogan isn't willing to die for Erdogan, why should anyone else be?

Mustafa Kemal would have been ***** slapping people on the tarmac.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

But you aren't going to get that with Erdogan as president. He's become a semi-tinpot dictator who's gotten way too chummy with Putin and certain Islamist factions and taken away numerous civil liberties that many Turks liked and wanted.

I didn't say better, just more stable, for the time being.
I'm not in favor of what's currently happening, regardless of how bad the president is.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I think it's going to be over soon. Government is winning at the moment.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think it's going to be over soon. Government is winning at the moment.

The military or Erdogan's government?

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Lots of gunfire around still though.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

The military or Erdogan's government?

Erdogan. Also it's not entire military but a group of soldiers tries it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Shots on one of the bridges sound like warning shots, no large in mass panic.
Looks like it's on the Bosphorus Bridge.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Seems the tide is turning in favor of the protesters and Erdogan government as local police are taking soldiers into custody and protesters retake certain airports and government buildings.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Helicopter of military coup is shot down by F-16 on news.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Helicopter of military coup is shot down by F-16 on news.

Holy crap. I am watching CNN over here and they are saying the cops are on the side of the government, while the AP is reporting those involved with the coup are shooting on civilians. Can you tell us if this is true Bane?

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Seems the pro-coup forces weren't large enough to pull this coup out.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What would you do if you were in his shoes right now?
A coup against him means he's likely to get shot at landing home, but if none of the citizens did anything it would be a mere win for the military.

Honestly, I don't want the country to fall into Civil War, I'd rather see violent members of the military stopped and prosecuted, and for situations to be more stable again.

I'd hope they'd use military and law enforcement still on their side. Not ask civilians to risk their lives.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'd hope they'd use military and law enforcement still on their side. Not ask civilians to risk their lives.

That should've happened too, first.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Obama has come out in favor of the Erdogan administration, saying that those in Turkey should respect the democratically-elected government.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Obama has come out in favor of the Erdogan administration, saying that those in Turkey should respect the democratically-elected government.

Now that you mention that, I'm afraid of hearing what Trump has to say about it.

 

[jr24tw]

I'd hope they'd use military and law enforcement still on their side. Not ask civilians to risk their lives.

Not in those countries. Not in any countries. You can treat your people like **** and still expect them to take a bullet for you.

If this coup doesn't succeed I don't even want to think about post coup Turkey. And the islamic power will probably get even bigger. Just what Europe needs right now. Islamic state right next door.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Not in those countries. Not in any countries. You can treat your people like **** and still expect them to take a bullet for you.

If this coup doesn't succeed I don't even want to think about post coup Turkey. And the islamic power will probably get even bigger. Just what Europe needs right now. Islamic state right next door.

Yep. Many Turkey experts are saying that with the coup failing, they expect a stronger Erdogan, political reprisals, decreased civil liberties, and a more Islamist government. Turkey is turning from a pro-West country into one that more closely aligns with countries in the Middle East.

 

[Matt]

Obama has come out in favor of the Erdogan administration, saying that those in Turkey should respect the democratically-elected government.

I sort of get his thinking. This is a not a revolution as the people have no role in it. This is the military violently seizing control of the government. I doubt the military will just hand control back to the people, especially since they have already decided to overthrow the people's elected leader. If the coup succeeds, we are going to be looking at a hawkish dictatorship running the show. I'm not saying that the alternative is better. But I get where the President is coming from. Coups seldom end well and even if the military does decide to return control to the people, what is the underlying message? "Democracy until the voters do something we don't like, then another violent takeover"?

 

[Matt]

Yep. Many Turkey experts are saying that with the coup failing, they expect a stronger Erdogan, political reprisals, decreased civil liberties, and a more Islamist government. Turkey is turning from a pro-West country into one that more closely aligns with countries in the Middle East.

Our State Department needs to get in there ASAP. We need to be negotiating a peaceful end to the coup conditioned upon Erdogan's resignation and exile. Military lays down arms, leaders of the coup also go into exile, or at least resign their military commissions, and emergency elections take place.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Erdogan supporters are trying to blame his rival, Fethullah Gulen, for supporting the coup but Gulen's group has come out against the coup and said military intervention has no place in Turkish domestic affairs. Seems Erdogan is going to use this coup attempt to crackdown and consolidate his power. This coup is going to backfire and make things worse there.