MMA fighter fights off four home invaders, kills one, severely injures another

[charl_huntress]

some don't even get to break in. some get shot on the front porch.

Best to respect them normal operating hours then and practice good risk management when knocking on doors.

That's stupid, but in many home invasion cases, if you're alone, you're supposed to try and escape, not fight back. Not all states have castle laws, where you're allowed to use lethal force if someone merely breaks into your home and otherwise doesn't threaten you.

I'm glad my state has such a law in place to protect the homeowner. In fact, for those with enclosed property...you may even be able to shoot them while they're on your lawn...as long as you feel threatened.

 

[Pink Ranger]

We need a movie out of this ordeal.

It would be a pretty short movie.

Peter Jackson would find a way to make it into 3 epic-length films, followed by 3 special extended editions.

 

[Anita18]

Best to respect them normal operating hours then and practice good risk management when knocking on doors.

Our neighbor knocked on our door at 10pm after nearly severing his finger alone in his apartment. He was going into shock, clearly not in the right mind to practice good risk management.

But he just knocked twice, it wasn't like he kicked it down or anything. I do think there is a reasonable reaction to someone merely knocking on your door late at night, where it would be otherwise normal aside from the hour.

I'm glad my state has such a law in place to protect the homeowner. In fact, for those with enclosed property...you may even be able to shoot them while they're on your lawn...as long as you feel threatened.

Lawn is pushing it, but if they're breaking windows or knocking down my door, I don't see any way that they mean me no harm. Seriously. Not all of us are 200-lb bodyguards or anything.

 

[charl_huntress]

Our neighbor knocked on our door at 10pm after nearly severing his finger alone in his apartment. He was going into shock, clearly not in the right mind to practice good risk management. But he just knocked twice, it wasn't like he kicked it down or anything. I do think there is a reasonable reaction to someone merely knocking on your door late at night, where it would be otherwise normal aside from the hour.

If it's outside of a person's normal operating hours you may not get a reasonable reaction because they were asleep, or otherwise thinking they would not be disturbed. That is not the case for everyone, and everyone's normal operating hours are different. Plus, there is such a thing as an unreasonable expectation someone will knock on your door. For instance, I have enclosed property and therefore a reasonable expectation no one will knock on my door if my exterior fences are locked.

Lawn is pushing it, but if they're breaking windows or knocking down my door, I don't see any way that they mean me no harm. Seriously. Not all of us are 200-lb bodyguards or anything.

lol...A lawn might be pushing it, but then again that would depend on the type of property the person had and the fear state they were in at the time.

 

[Boom]

This shouldn't even be a discussion.

Kudos to the man.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

The problem is he killed one of the gang members outside the home.

The law might be that you can't kill someone legally unless they break into your house.

I hope I'm wrong and he isn't charged. It's screwed up his family had to movie because of possible retaliation.

 

[KevanG]

There has been cases won where an intruder won a lawsuit after getting the crap beat out of him during a burglary.

 

[Pink Ranger]

There has been cases won where an intruder won a lawsuit after getting the crap beat out of him during a burglary.

I know, in Canada that would be a violation of the Protection Of Rapists Act.

 

[KevanG]

I know that if someone breaks into my house in the middle of the night, I'm just gonna go at them after calling the cops and telling them to get the **** out.

 

[Alistair]

Yeah, a lot of people are up in arms, and saying he is in the right. Sadly, far as I know NM doesn't have castle laws, so that will be against him. People are work are saying all the people that are involved against him are in gangs, and are registered so I think this will be a pretty cut and clean case for him.

Sorry kinda of a mess as I am falling asleep at the keyboard.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Best to respect them normal operating hours then and practice good risk management when knocking on doors.
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The problem is he killed one of the gang members outside the home.

The law might be that you can't kill someone legally unless they break into your house.

I hope I'm wrong and he isn't charged. It's screwed up his family had to movie because of possible retaliation.

I hope this goes down with the spirit of the rule taking precedence over the technicality. It was still a 4-on-1 home invasion. Whatever Torrez did to protect himself was necessary in the face of those odds.

 

[charl_huntress]

Roll your eyes if you want Scully. I bet you'll think twice when knocking on someone's door late at night from now on.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Roll your eyes if you want Scully. I bet you'll think twice when knocking on someone's door late at night from now on.

I've come to conclusion that it probably isn't wise to knock on anyone's door for help at any time of the day or night. America seems to have devolved into a land where too many residents replace thinking with shooting, and later use the wussified defense of "But....but...I was scared."

No thanks. I'll walk and/or use my cell phone. Hopefully, I can avoid the extras from Deliverance.

 

[charl_huntress]

I've come to conclusion that it probably isn't wise to knock on anyone's door for help at any time of the day or night. America seems to have devolved into a land where too many residents replace thinking with shooting, and later use the wussified defense of "But....but...I was scared."

No thanks. I'll walk and/or use my cell phone. Hopefully, I can avoid the extras from Deliverance.

Hahahah....well good luck to you then, Scar Predator. t:

 

[Hal_Jordan]

Roll your eyes if you want Scully. I bet you'll think twice when knocking on someone's door late at night from now on.

Thanks for reminding us all how much people suck.

 

[Teelie]

Not all of us are shoot first, why bother asking questions later kind of people.

 

[Feenix]

Thanks for reminding us all how much people suck.

Indeed. "If you didn't want to get shot, you shouldn't have knocked on the door!"

Yikes.

 

[Enriquespy]

Peter Jackson would find a way to make it into 3 epic-length films, followed by 3 special extended editions.

Just put the creators of Taken behind it.

 

[charl_huntress]

Not all of us are shoot first, why bother asking questions later kind of people.

Hahaha... As the article in this thread demonstrates, someone people will just kick your ass without asking any questions...lol.

 

[Wolfwood]

This will be a straight-to-dvd action movie starring John Cena in the starring role. Unless it goes to trial, then it will be a 3-hour long lifetime channel movie.

Isn't it basically the plot of Con Air?

I feel bad for the guy, even though he was defending his life and home, it's never a joy to take a life. That's the kind of thing that can weigh on you.

 

[Teelie]

Hahaha... As the article in this thread demonstrates, someone people will just kick your ass without asking any questions...lol.

The difference here is these guys were armed, inside the house, and already threatened to murder the man and his family making questions less important.

 

[E-Man]

I'm pretty sure that WillardNation is the one who taught this guy his moves. Willard is one of the only people I know that could sub Chong Li at the Kumite besides Frank Dux.

 

[charl_huntress]

The difference here is these guys were armed, inside the house, and already threatened to murder the man and his family making questions less important.

Point is no one was asking any questions to begin with.

 

[mikey1974]

one point - the guy killed was found stabbed and beaten near the home. doesn't mean he was attacked outside. he could've been beaten and stabbed inside the home,then fled but died a short time later. meaning he could've still been defending himself and his family inside the home,but the severity of the attack on the intruder caused him to die off property.there's no mention that he followed this guy outside and fatally attacked him outside of his property. so i think,if so,that would still fall under the umbrella of defending himself.

 

[Anita18]

Not all of us are shoot first, why bother asking questions later kind of people.

IIRC charl_huntress lives in an unsafe area (Detroit, I think?) and she mentioned here that it's an enclosed property. She has a point that if someone's even made it to her lawn, he likely doesn't have good intentions.

Much different from where I live, which is very safe, off a major street, and our apartment doors open to the outside.

So yeah, whether you're trigger-happy depends on your environment.

one point - the guy killed was found stabbed and beaten near the home. doesn't mean he was attacked outside. he could've been beaten and stabbed inside the home,then fled but died a short time later. meaning he could've still been defending himself and his family inside the home,but the severity of the attack on the intruder caused him to die off property.there's no mention that he followed this guy outside and fatally attacked him outside of his property. so i think,if so,that would still fall under the umbrella of defending himself.

That's exactly what I figured. If he left the house to stab this guy, he'd be leaving his family exposed to the other 3. I find that very hard to believe, so I figured the guy was stabbed inside the home, tried to escape and didn't make it very far before succumbing to his injuries.