Morrison's Preptime Batgod?

[Lone]

No. I want to see Superman choke Batman within an inch of his life, just so hacks like Morrison can see what would actually happen if the two squared off...

I would have to agree with you.

The thing is though, Batman isn't going to be holding Kryptonite out for Superman to see. He is going to keep it hidden and wait until Superman charges him then BAM! Batman wouldn't let Superman limp away either, he would stay on him.

I'm pretty sure if Superman wanted to, he could take out Batman at any time. He could just drop by Wayne Manor as Clark Kent and punch Bruce's head off as soon as Bruce opens the door.

 

[Ahura Mazda]

You do realise that the time it would take for the Kryptonite to be taken out or be in effect would make it an easy win for Superman who can move at speeds faster then Batman can think. But hey this is comic book logic....

 

[Rogzilla]

I'm pretty sure if Superman wanted to, he could take out Batman at any time. He could just drop by Wayne Manor as Clark Kent and punch Bruce's head off as soon as Bruce opens the door.

Sure. You are completely right about that. While you are at it, why don't you have him kill Bruce and rape Alfred? I mean, if you are going to break character THAT much, you might as well go all out right?

If it was Clark vs Bruce, I think Clark would win hands down. But this isn't Clark vs Bruce. This is Superman vs Batman. Batman wins ALL fights, hands down. Why? Because he is the GODDAMNED BATMAN! He personifies badassness!

It really doesn't matter if he COULD actually, in a world where he is a human among these gods, win the fight or not. He JUST WINS! Why? Say it with me now...HE'S THE GODDANMED BATMAN! :-P

There is the Batman who fights crime and corruption on the streets of Gotham. This is what I want to see in the Nolan films.Then there is the GODDAMNED Batman. This is the one from any and all JL comics and cartoons.

I can't believe I am ACTUALLY taking part in a "who would win in a fight..." conversation! I have become a full fledge nerd. Where do I pick up my decoder ring? :-P

 

[Sun_Down]

Question:

What the heck is people's problem with Batman rising to the occasion and being prepared? He's defeating these "God level threats" via the same skills he uses to defeat human criminals and his own cunning. What's the issue with that?

The problem just comes when it becomes so ridiculously absurd that it makes Batman almost superhuman. Personally, I'd rather see Batman use his vast resouces (i.e. money and weapons) in conjunction with his cunning and intelligence when he engages beings who outclass him, instead of having some ridiculous "plan" up his sleeve at all times.

And the whole "preptime" thing is just plain idiotic because it assumes that NO ONE else prepares for any fights EVER and only the Batman can engage in the sacred art of "preptime". What to they suppose his opponents are doing before the fight, sticking their thumbs in their butts?

 

[Paradoxium]

Kryptonite? Batman ain't a one trick pony

 

[Nokio]

Question:

What the heck is people's problem with Batman rising to the occasion and being prepared? He's defeating these "God level threats" via the same skills he uses to defeat human criminals and his own cunning. What's the issue with that?

Reed Richards has done it better and more believable. Who can beat bats by the way.

 

[dnno1]

Reed Richards has done it better and more believable. Who can beat bats by the way.

Batman could take Reed Richards and Chuck Norris with both hands tied behind his back. t:

 

[Porygon]

I remember arguing with someone on who would win between Spider-Man and Batman in a fist fight.

He said the fact that Spider-Man was 40 times faster than a regular human was "irrelevant'.

 

[XXTBWCXX]

....How do you get 40 times faster? Lol.

 

[Paradoxium]

Is it that difficult to comprehend. The 40x speed doesn't matter because Peter is too busy crying after finding out Bats knocked boots with MJ... 3 times.... in one day.... on the same day they were fighting.

 

[Porygon]

....How do you get 40 times faster? Lol.

Spider-Man: The Ultimate Guide, Tom DeFalco.

That answer your question?

 

[Hole Shot]

I voted yes, but my only real issue with preptime Batman is if they cast someone close in age or younger than Bale. I know the movies are supposed to have separate continuities but still having a Batman younger than Bale that is more polished with more technology and an elaborate Batcave is going to annoy me.

 

[Porygon]

I voted yes, but my only real issue with preptime Batman is if they cast someone close in age or younger than Bale. I know the movies are supposed to have separate continuities but still have a Batman younger than Bale that is more polished with more technology and an elaborate Batcave is going to annoy me.

Casting teenagers for adult characters annoys me, period.

 

[Ibn]

...Then out comes the Kryptonite ring and BAM! Right between the eyes!

Batman 1, Superman 0.

t:In ****in deed!

 

[Rogzilla]

Since when were they casting teenagers as adult characters?

They were having actors and actresses ranging from 20 to 29 who PLAY teenagers reading for unspecified roles (though now believed to be limited to a young Flash (Wally) and Wonder Woman).

And since when was Superspeed one of Spider-Man's powers? Perhaps his reaction time makes him SEEM faster because he can react to things before they happen...but still....

 

[Hole Shot]

Since when were they casting teenagers as adult characters?

They were having actors and actresses ranging from 20 to 29 who PLAY teenagers reading for unspecified roles (though now believed to be limited to a young Flash (Wally) and Wonder Woman).

And since when was Superspeed one of Spider-Man's powers? Perhaps his reaction time makes him SEEM faster because he can react to things before they happen...but still....

I'm assuming he means reaction time not running.

I'm pretty sure if Superman wanted to, he could take out Batman at any time. He could just drop by Wayne Manor as Clark Kent and punch Bruce's head off as soon as Bruce opens the door.

Not if Batman has been prepping for a random visit by Clark Kent! The welcome mat at Wayne Manor could have thin kryptonite threads interwoven into it.

 

[Paradoxium]

 

[D.P.]

The problem just comes when it becomes so ridiculously absurd that it makes Batman almost superhuman.

He is always ultra-prepared because he doesn't have superhuman abilities...He has to stay 100 steps ahead of these God-like beings to survive.

The only people bothered by this are \S/ fan-boys and Bat-haters who can't stand to see Batman always come out on top and their hero getting trumped time and time again...

GOLD.

 

[Sun_Down]

He is always ultra-prepared because he doesn't have superhuman abilities...He has to stay 100 steps ahead of these God-like beings to survive.

And that's all well-and-good, but it an get taken too far and people actually believe that Batman could take out God with enough "prep time". And, like I said, it's pretty stupid to assume that NO ONE else prepares for confrontations at all.

I'm by no means a Superman fanboy, I probably like Batman a little better. But part of Batman's appeal, to me atleast, is that he is human. And while it's great that he can use his intelligence, resources and abillities to stand shoulder to shoulder with superhumans, there has to be a limit. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Porygon]

I just find it funny that people are being called childish because they don't think Batman can beat everything.

 

[The Guard]

The problem just comes when it becomes so ridiculously absurd that it makes Batman almost superhuman.

I've never seen this happen. Could you provide an example? I've seen Batman use very human cunning and seek edges to outwit or outfight people who think they should just be able to pound him into the ground. It happens in Batman comics, too, it's part of his character, and always has been.

Personally, I'd rather see Batman use his vast resouces (i.e. money and weapons) in conjunction with his cunning and intelligence when he engages beings who outclass him, instead of having some ridiculous "plan" up his sleeve at all times.

Um...what do you think a plan stems from? Cunning and intelligence, methinks. And several of hins plans DO involve his resources (gadgets, inventions, knowledge of technology, etc). I have no idea what you're complaining about.

People, this "planning" thing is part of the core of Batman! Go read some forties and fifties comics. It existed even then. Look at all the "traps" he gets out of because he goes in prepared. That's that element of the character brought into the modern day by authors who recognize its significance. It's not something that Grant Morisson made up to make Batman look good, it's something Grant Morrison managed to utilize better than any other writer in recent memory.

And the whole "preptime" thing is just plain idiotic because it assumes that NO ONE else prepares for any fights EVER and only the Batman can engage in the sacred art of "preptime".

No, it assumes that Batman is a lot smarter than most characters. Which he is. This is a fact.

Batman Outwitting Metron - JLA volume 3, #14
Batman's strategic win over Darkseid - Superman and Batman #12
Batman defeating White Martians - JLA volume 3, #3-4
Wonder Woman - JLA volume 3, # 74 and #90
Bekka (New God) - Superman and Batman #41

So? It's not like Batman doesn't outwit non alien characters. Are you contending that he shouldn't be able to outwit or outfight these characters because they happen to be stronger? I don't buy that.

If you don't like "prep time" Batman, I question what elements you DO like about the character. What, do you WANT this incredibly intrelligent, resourceful character to get his ass handed to him because he goes into a fight against Darkseid without thinking about the angles?

 

[Paradoxium]

So? It's not like Batman doesn't outwit non alien characters. Are you contending that he shouldn't be able to outwit or outfight these characters because they happen to be stronger? I don't buy that.

If you don't like "prep time" Batman, I question what elements you DO like about the character. What, do you WANT this incredibly intrelligent, resourceful character to get his ass handed to him because he goes into a fight against Darkseid without thinking about the angles?

I'm confused, are you replying to my post. I ain't arguing against prep time. t:

 

[The Guard]

I don't know, just making a point. I'm sure someone takes that tack.

 

[Venomfan]

how did Batman survive being smashed into that wall?

anyway
i think part of the problem is that all of a sudden the character that Batman is fighting becomes ridiculously stupid, just so Batman can win. take that red sun lamp fight above for example, instead of just flying in and knocking/killing batman, supes just sits around and waits for batman to do his thing.

 

[Justin]

how did Batman survive being smashed into that wall?

I assume Darkseid was trying not to kill him because he was holding a detonator that could destroy the planet.

I dont really understand the problem with the "prep-time" Batman. This "version" of Batman was around before Morrison, not sure where that comes from. Is that the popularized way of referring to this now?

I dont see how Superman fans can have a problem with this and yet have no problem seeing Lex Luther as a credible threat to Superman. His main enemy is just a human but no one complains when Lex Luther almost wins. Sure he rarely ever does win, but why is it that people say ridiculous things like "Superman could just kill Batman by flying into him at super speed." or some other nonsense when Batman beats Superman in some fight? Why arent they constantly complaining about the same thing with Lex Luther? Its out of character for Superman to do in both situations, especially in situations where Batman is fighting Superman because it is usually for some idiotic reason.

If you had Superman's powers you could easily kill Batman if Batman reacted to you in the same way as he does the Clark Kent/Superman. Of course if YOU were Batman he wouldnt be doing things the same way.