Morrison's Preptime Batgod?

[Ibn]

^ Dude...wtf is with the power chord? Color me confused!

It is like Gaurd said, it doesn't matter what COULD happen, all that matter is that BATMAN WINS ALL! :-P

I suspect we will at least see SOME elements of this Batman as he is shwon researching the weaknesses of all the characters.

Plug actually.t:

 

[Porygon]

I just noticed this was in the Justice League discussion, not The Dark Knight...

In that case, then Bat-God is acceptable.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

In measured doses. Yes to out-thinking his foe á la the White Martians.

But realistically, someone like Darkseid is just going to vaporise him. Batman should be put on the same level as the rest of the League, but he should NOT be put higher.

Any fight between Bats and Superman without prep time, Batman is a smear. Any fight with it, it should be a very close Superman win or a tie at best to my mind.

 

[sepharih]

But realistically, someone like Darkseid is just going to vaporise him.

But like I said on the previous page, realism is a non issue in a fantasy universe like the one this film will have to take place in because, "realistically", very few of the events that are likely to take place in this movie could happen. So I honestly don't see a big problem in that respect.

 

[Sun_Down]

But like I said on the previous page, realism is a non issue in a fantasy universe like the one this film will have to take place in because, "realistically", very few of the events that are likely to take place in this movie could happen. So I honestly don't see a big problem in that respect.

Just because it's set in a fantasy world doesn't mean they should insult the readers' intelligence.

 

[sepharih]

Just because it's set in a fantasy world doesn't mean they should insult the readers' intelligence.

Having characters accomplish impossible feats doesn't insult anyone's intelligence as long as you have good writing behind it. Remember that shot Luke made to destroy the Death Star? Han was right, it was one in a million. The explanation? It was the will of the force. Good enough for me.

Batman beating Superman/Darkseid/God/etc. in some respects has a certain David and Goliath aspect to it that people, not just comic book geeks mind you, but everyday movie going audience members love.

 

[Steelsheen]

the key word is preptime

without it, Batman doesnt stand a chance.

hey i'm a Batman fan, but not even i would ignore common sense.

 

[Doctor of Doom]

But like I said on the previous page, realism is a non issue in a fantasy universe like the one this film will have to take place in because, "realistically", very few of the events that are likely to take place in this movie could happen. So I honestly don't see a big problem in that respect.

True, but if Batman can beat anyone, then the audience will have a hard time taking villains seriously, especially if he's punking out Darkseid.

 

[The Guard]

It's not a "power cord", it's a "plug". He wants to see Batman "plug" those women, near as I can tell.

But realistically, someone like Darkseid is just going to vaporise him. Batman should be put on the same level as the rest of the League, but he should NOT be put higher.

See, this is an assumption. This assumes that Batman would engage Darkseid in combat. And going by what we know about Darkseid, that would intrigue him. And when Batman pulls his "blackmail" card? That's a great way to beat Darkseid, hit him where it hurts. Make him stop over the fate of his world.

Any fight between Bats and Superman without prep time, Batman is a smear. Any fight with it, it should be a very close Superman win or a tie at best to my mind.

And most of them have been, by my recollection, until Batman "cheated". Superman was hammering Bruce in DARK KNIGHT RETURNS until Batman had Green Arrow shoot Kryptonite INTO him. In BATMAN VS SUPERMAN, same deal until Batman shoots an arrow into Superman. In HUSH, Superman's cleaning his clock until Batman figured a way out. And in IDENTITY CRISIS, Superman simply wipes the floor with Batman.

It's not like Batman's depicted as always beating Superman. Except in THE DARK KNIGHT STRIKES AGAIN, where the entire JLA plays a part in Superman's defeat.

 

[DACrowe]

I quit reading DC nearly a decade ago, so I only have seen one of the issues sampled on the first page before now...

But Batman not only hooked up with Wonder Woman (which is beyond hilariouty me and seemed more like a fanboy wetdream than a story) but he defeated Darkseid by saying magivc words and MADE A GOD want to succumb to him.

I'm serious, this is one of the reasons I left DC. Batman is my favorite character, but he has gotten to the point where he just shows up looks around and reveals he predicted this scene three years earlier and came prepared with the simplest of tricks to win the day or the girl. Seriously he is like MacGuyver meets James Bondx1000 these days. I prefer a Batman who is wise and intimidating but is also human and falliable. I think NOlan definetly captured that for an early Batman in his films but my favorite incarnation is bproably the Dini/Timm character who is sneaky, crafty and foreseeing. But he is also prideful, arrogant and does make mistakes.


I would like to see a more experienced/mysterious Batman that maybe does some honest detective work other than a montage in this movie, but I do not think we need a Batman who has already figured out the problem and the solution when the credits open and has Wonder Woman on one arm (again ) and Hawkgirl on the other (why not?) It would come across as Bond did in Die Another Day, cheesy and boring (I don't blame Brsonan, I wish they gave him a gritty Bond film before he was...retired).

 

[DieSmiling]

...Then out comes the Kryptonite ring and BAM! Right between the eyes!

Batman 1, Superman 0.

t:

Batman > Superman

FACT

 

[Paradoxium]

I quit reading DC nearly a decade ago, so I only have seen one of the issues sampled on the first page before now...

But Batman not only hooked up with Wonder Woman (which is beyond hilariouty me and seemed more like a fanboy wetdream than a story) but he defeated Darkseid by saying magivc words and MADE A GOD want to succumb to him.

I'm serious, this is one of the reasons I left DC. Batman is my favorite character, but he has gotten to the point where he just shows up looks around and reveals he predicted this scene three years earlier and came prepared with the simplest of tricks to win the day or the girl. Seriously he is like MacGuyver meets James Bondx1000 these days. I prefer a Batman who is wise and intimidating but is also human and falliable. I think NOlan definetly captured that for an early Batman in his films but my favorite incarnation is bproably the Dini/Timm character who is sneaky, crafty and foreseeing. But he is also prideful, arrogant and does make mistakes.


I would like to see a more experienced/mysterious Batman that maybe does some honest detective work other than a montage in this movie, but I do not think we need a Batman who has already figured out the problem and the solution when the credits open and has Wonder Woman on one arm (again ) and Hawkgirl on the other (why not?) It would come across as Bond did in Die Another Day, cheesy and boring (I don't blame Brsonan, I wish they gave him a gritty Bond film before he was...retired).

My friend. I'm afraid you made a little mistake.

Dini and Timm's incarnation is what caused the Bats and Wondy hookup. This incarnation was getting it on with Lois too. She almost left Metropolis for Gotham in the cartoon.

Forget about Hawkgirl. Bruce is too busy getting it on with Ollie's girl instead

 

[dnno1]

Maby Paradoxium should have added a choice for the goddamn Batman.

 

[D.P.]

Batman w/ Wolverine-esque stubble > All incarnations past, present, and future.

 

[Lone]

My friend. I'm afraid you made a little mistake.

Dini and Timm's incarnation is what caused the Bats and Wondy hookup. This incarnation was getting it on with Lois too. She almost left Metropolis for Gotham in the cartoon.

Forget about Hawkgirl. Bruce is too busy getting it on with Ollie's girl instead

Are those real and unedited??? LMAO!!

 

[The Guard]

But Batman not only hooked up with Wonder Woman (which is beyond hilariouty me and seemed more like a fanboy wetdream than a story) but he defeated Darkseid by saying magivc words and MADE A GOD want to succumb to him.

When was this?

I'm serious, this is one of the reasons I left DC. Batman is my favorite character, but he has gotten to the point where he just shows up looks around and reveals he predicted this scene three years earlier and came prepared with the simplest of tricks to win the day or the girl.

That's just it. He has not "gotten to the point", he's been there since about 1940.

Seriously he is like MacGuyver meets James Bondx1000 these days.

He always had been. Even back in the 1970's.

I would like to see a more experienced/mysterious Batman that maybe does some honest detective work other than a montage in this movie, but I do not think we need a Batman who has already figured out the problem and the solution when the credits open and has Wonder Woman on one arm (again ) and Hawkgirl on the other (why not?) It would come across as Bond did in Die Another Day, cheesy and boring (I don't blame Brsonan, I wish they gave him a gritty Bond film before he was...retired).

I doubt we're going to see Batman with women all over him. Bruce Wayne, on the other hand...

 

[Doctor of Doom]

See, this is an assumption. This assumes that Batman would engage Darkseid in combat. And going by what we know about Darkseid, that would intrigue him. And when Batman pulls his "blackmail" card? That's a great way to beat Darkseid, hit him where it hurts. Make him stop over the fate of his world.

Well theoretically, Darkseid could easily have won by wiping Batman from history with his Omega Beams so he never existed and thus never reprogrammed the missile codes, but the power of the Omega beams varies wildly from issue to issue so I'm not really going to hold that up as bad writing. But yes, I know Batman could beat Darkseid in that way. What I'm trying to say is, I *don't* think he should be that good in the movie, because then there's no need fcor the League. Batman's the most dangerous member, sure, but he shouldn't be the sole component of victory. If you want to build someone like Darkseid into a full threat, you don't have Batman punk him with ease.

 

[The Guard]

What I'm trying to say is, I *don't* think he should be that good in the movie, because then there's no need fcor the League. Batman's the most dangerous member, sure, but he shouldn't be the sole component of victory. If you want to build someone like Darkseid into a full threat, you don't have Batman punk him with ease.

That's the point. Here's Darkseid...and here's how Batman beats him, and it's light years away from what people expect. That's good writing.

I don't think he should be the sole victor, either, in the film. But in a comic arc, one of many? No issues with it. And...no need for the league just because Batman can beat Darkseid? What about the, you know, natural disasters and armies of warriors?

 

[Lone]

That's the point. Here's Darkseid...and here's how Batman beats him, and it's light years away from what people expect. That's good writing.

That's fan-service. Something for the fanboys to get all excited and go "look how badasss he is...he totally pwned (insert uber-character)!!!BATMAN > ALLL!!" on internet forums.

If I had no knowledge of Batman or comics at all and somebody told me about his more extraordinary exploits with the League, I'd probably think Batman was superhuman LOL.

I don't think he should be the sole victor, either, in the film. But in a comic arc, one of many? No issues with it. And...no need for the league just because Batman can beat Darkseid? What about the, you know, natural disasters and armies of warriors?

You have no problems with him defeating God-like beings by himself but you have a problem with him fighting armies of warriors? The guy took down four(?) white martians in that one panel posted earlier on. I'm sure an army of warriors would be a walk in the park for him.

They should just rename the issues where Batman's in it to "Batman and The Justice League" since the other members are reduced to sidekicks when he's around anyway.


EDIT: Just to clarify, I am a Batman fan...but even I find it unbelievable that the same guy who got his back broken by Bane could beat villains that are easily 10 times more superior.

 

[I Am The Knight]

That's fan-service. Something for the fanboys to get all excited and go "look how badasss he is...he totally pwned (insert uber-character)!!!BATMAN > ALLL!!" on internet forums.

If I had no knowledge of Batman or comics at all and somebody told me about his more extraordinary exploits with the League, I'd probably think Batman was superhuman LOL.

Except he never displayed any "superhuman" abilities in those instances. Batman defeated those enemies using his mind. You know, his intellect and all that. It's not like he punched Darkseid or smashed his face into the ground by proclaiming "ALL HAIL TEH GODDAMN BATMAN!! AYE!!" He merely was Batman, being Batman. Sure it SOUNDS extreme, that Batman defeated Darkseid...But it was done with Batman's greatest weapon....

You have no problems with him defeating God-like beings by himself but you have a problem with him fighting armies of warriors? The guy took down four(?) white martians in that one panel posted earlier on. I'm sure an army of warriors would be a walk in the park for him.

I'm sure I don't have to remind you The White Martians weakness to fire. ANYONE could have defeated them using fire. Plus, if you read that story, you'll remember that one of the members of the Hyperclan (I think it was the one with the skull face) wrecked the Bat Plane and left Batman for dead in the desert, while Protex was mind controlling Superman to believe he was in the presence of kryptonite. Batman found it strange that the Hyperclan would not make sure he was dead, or get close to the burning plane. He deduced they had a lot in common with the Martians, shape shifting, mind control, super strenght, and apparently fear of fire...So he used fire against them. So much for a "just a human" as Protex labeled him.

They should just rename the issues where Batman's in it to "Batman and The Justice League" since the other members are reduced to sidekicks when he's around anyway.


EDIT: Just to clarify, I am a Batman fan...but even I find it unbelievable that the same guy who got his back broken by Bane could beat villains that are easily 10 times more superior.

It comes down to outsmarting villains.

 

[DACrowe]

I never watched JLU, I assume that is where the "hook up" came from.

I sitll think it is cheesy. I also think Batman winning every fightt by preplanning for it before the story begins is lazy writing. That is why I don't like MOrrrison's run and though I love Batman quit reading it and most of DC.

 

[Frosty81]

I just watched 'The Edge' with Anthony Hopkins last night and couldn't help but to think how badass he could've been as a Kingdom Come style Bruce Wayne.

 

[Nokio]

I never watched JLU, I assume that is where the "hook up" came from.

I sitll think it is cheesy. I also think Batman winning every fightt by preplanning for it before the story begins is lazy writing. That is why I don't like MOrrrison's run and though I love Batman quit reading it and most of DC.

I liked to see him out think Prof X. Prep time would be pretty much useless.

 

[Paradoxium]

Are those real and unedited??? LMAO!!

Real, All Star Batman and Robin #7

I liked to see him out think Prof X. Prep time would be pretty much useless.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I love Batman. I just think that in a movie it would be more entertaining to see Superman beat the crap out of Darkseid.