Muslim helps Jews attacked on NY Subway

[Hotwire]

I think it was Zoken actually.

Sorry, didn't feel like scrolling back through the pages while trying to make a post. Thanks.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Already asked. His answer is at the top of this page. Standard counter argument.

ugh.
I hate intellectual dishonesty.

 

[Mysterio]

I understand, my question to you is, If Islam is the reason for extremists actions and therefore evil, are the actions of members of other religions equally motivated solely by their religions and are those religions thefore evil?

not all religions. i don't believe that within Islam, these "extremists" are the minority. to my knowledge, islam is the only religion preaching subjugation of all other peoples and cultures. an act of evil by an individual that is committed in the name of his religion is evil. the pope, protestant bishops, ministers, rabbis, etc., the leaders of those religions are not preaching or condoning those actions; these are not the core of their beliefs. that is not the case for islam.

 

[Sandman138]

ugh.
I hate intellectual dishonesty.

Stop being ignorant.

 

[Sandman138]

not all religions. i don't believe that within Islam, these "extremists" are the minority. to my knowledge, islam is the only religion preaching subjugation of all other peoples and cultures. an act of evil by an individual that is committed in the name of his religion is evil. the pope, protestant bishops, ministers, rabbis, etc., the leaders of those religions are not preaching or condoning those actions; these are not the core of their beliefs. that is not the case for islam.

Funny, I read the Qu'ran and found that in just about every case it preached being insular, not trusting outsiders and defending your land from them. Other than that, it more or less said leave the infidels be.

 

[Mysterio]

Never said you were a Christian. And Christianity became part of the topic of this thread when someone, I beleive it was you, compared Islam to it.

no, i didn't bring it up. someone else did to divert the conversation.

the statement that started this thread implied that the act of one individual somehow erases any notion, criticism, beliefs, preachings, and acts of an entire religion. that is patently fallacious.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

not all religions. i don't believe that within Islam, these "extremists" are the minority. to my knowledge, islam is the only religion preaching subjugation of all other peoples and cultures. an act of evil by an individual that is committed in the name of his religion is evil. the pope, protestant bishops, ministers, rabbis, etc., the leaders of those religions are not preaching or condoning those actions; these are not the core of their beliefs. that is not the case for islam.

sure, it might be the only religion preaching subjugation NOW.
but it's not the only one that has preached it.
Christianity has had it's share, and forced conversions were once the order of the day.
Catholism as well was noce pretty war like, I mean, the Spanish inquisition?
no good times there.
Salem witch trials?
I could continue. and like I said, Islam is a young religion that's the norm in a trouble striken middle east.
Duh! why do you think that people like Raybia and Jolie aren't blowing themselves up when they worship the same religion you deem evil?
I mean, have some sense about this man.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

Funny, I read the Qu'ran and found that in just about every case it preached being insular, not trusting outsiders and defending your land from them. Other than that, it more or less said leave the infidels be.

not to mention many teachings are indistinguishable from the Christian's religion.

 

[Hotwire]

Funny, I read the Qu'ran and found that in just about every case it preached being insular, not trusting outsiders and defending your land from them. Other than that, it more or less said leave the infidels be.

Yeah, that's about the same thing my wife got from it. See, one thing we should all realize about Islam, is why they fight. See, in Islam, when Muslim conquer a land, they see it as a gift from Allah. Now, they only problem this causes is when someone else comes along, (ie. Christians & Jews) and takes this land from them, they feel that this goes against Allah's wishes for them to have it. And you can understand how this really pisses them off. Someone took their gift from Allah, and what ever Allah give you as a gift, is yours for all eternity. That's why they got so offended when the country of Israel was officially formed.

 

[Sandman138]

no, i didn't bring it up. someone else did to divert the conversation.

the statement that started this thread implied that the act of one individual somehow erases any notion, criticism, beliefs, preachings, and acts of an entire religion. that is patently fallacious.

So too then, must be the argument that Christianity's followers now suddenly erase the Inquisition, the Crusades, and the rampant antisemitism of Victorian England.

 

[Hotwire]

no, i didn't bring it up. someone else did to divert the conversation.

the statement that started this thread implied that the act of one individual somehow erases any notion, criticism, beliefs, preachings, and acts of an entire religion. that is patently fallacious.

Actualy, they brought up Christianity to compare it with Islam. Very fair to do so when someone is making sweeping remarks about one religion. And this thread was started to show that not every Muslim is and evil America-hater. Go read it again.

 

[Mysterio]

sure, it might be the only religion preaching subjugation NOW.
but it's not the only one that has preached it.

of course it isn't; however, others have managed to leave the middle ages behind; what matters is today, not crimes and deplorable acts that occurred centuries ago. and i would hardly call islam a young religion.

 

[Mysterio]

Actualy, they brought up Christianity to compare it with Islam. Very fair to do so when someone is making sweeping remarks about one religion. And this thread was started to show that not every Muslim is and evil America-hater. Go read it again.

then what's the point, since no one here says or believes every muslim is an evil america-hater?

 

[Sandman138]

then what's the point, since no one here says or believes every muslim is an evil america-hater?

The point is you're blaming the religion for a cultural disparity. When was the last time you saw an American born and raised Muslim fly a plane into a building or decapitate another man? How familiar are you with the history of the nations of the Middle East anyways?

 

[Mysterio]

See, in Islam, when Muslim conquer a land, they see it as a gift from Allah. Now, they only problem this causes is when someone else comes along, (ie. Christians & Jews) and takes this land from them, they feel that this goes against Allah's wishes for them to have it.

let's just let this hang out there for awhile and soak it in.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

of course it isn't; however, others have managed to leave the middle ages behind; what matters is today, not crimes and deplorable acts that occurred centuries ago. and i would hardly call islam a young religion.

you would make a mistake.
you would be able to call it a comparatively young religion, because that's what it is.
plus, if you think Christianity only preached subjugation in the Middle ages you're just lying to yourself.
I see you skipped the part about the Salem witch trials.
how convenient.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

then what's the point, since no one here says or believes every muslim is an evil america-hater?

you're merely saying that Islam is evil are you not?

 

[Hotwire]

This is mainly for the benefit of a certain poster who thinks that Islam is to blame for the evil that Muslims do and believes that Islam and Muslims does not add anything to value.

Here's the purpose of this thread. It seems it was aimed a particular unnamed Hypester, who has some issues with Muslims and tends to lump them all together. So, the point was to try and open someone's eyes a little bit.

 

[Mysterio]

you would make a mistake.
you would be able to call it a comparatively young religion, because that's what it is.
plus, if you think Christianity only preached subjugation in the Middle ages you're just lying to yourself.
I see you skipped the part about the Salem witch trials.
how convenient.

no, i didn't skip anything. i included all of what you mentioned when i said deplorable acts committed centuries ago.

 

[Hotwire]

you would make a mistake.
you would be able to call it a comparatively young religion, because that's what it is.
plus, if you think Christianity only preached subjugation in the Middle ages you're just lying to yourself.
I see you skipped the part about the Salem witch trials.
how convenient.

And don't forget the recent attempt to Constitutionaly ban gay marraiges.

 

[Mysterio]

Here's the purpose of this thread. It seems it was aimed a particular unnamed Hypester, who has some issues with Muslims and tends to lump them all together. So, the point was to try and open someone's eyes a little bit.

then perhaps a private message to that person would have been in order.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

no, i didn't skip anything. i included all of what you mentioned when i said deplorable acts committed centuries ago.

you also included the phrase " leave the middle ages behind" which is misleading.

 

[Mysterio]

And don't forget the recent attempt to Constitutionaly ban gay marraiges.

you really are hung up on christians, aren't you? and i think you misunderstand the purpose of that movement. i don't believe it was based in religion but rather a reaction to a state court (and a mayor going against a state court) legislating from the bench (and subverting law). i don't agree with the amendment, but i don't agree with what that court and mayor did, either.

 

[Mysterio]

you also included the phrase " leave the middle ages behind" which is misleading.

not at all. the meaning is that these other religions - even those at salem - have left the middle ages and the mentality of that period (and salem was akin to that mentality) while islam has not.

 

[Zoken]

not all religions. i don't believe that within Islam, these "extremists" are the minority. to my knowledge, islam is the only religion preaching subjugation of all other peoples and cultures. an act of evil by an individual that is committed in the name of his religion is evil. the pope, protestant bishops, ministers, rabbis, etc., the leaders of those religions are not preaching or condoning those actions; these are not the core of their beliefs. that is not the case for islam.

What are you smoking. Does preaching that they are going to Hell not count? The fundamentalists of each church preach some level of intolerance.