National Defense Authorization Act of 2012: A Call To Action

[Crazy Quilt]

"Pursuant to Article 6 of the Constitution, every member of both houses of Congress is required to take the following oath of office: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.”

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Article6
http://bensguide.gpo.gov/3-5/symbols/oaths.html

In voting to pass the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012 and thereby override our Constitution and Bill of Rights, 93 Senators and 322 Representatives clearly violated their oath of office. But unsurprisingly, they face no legal penalty for their “breach of oath”:

http://oathact.us/

In conspiring to pass a bill that would enable the use of military force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution the of 4th, 5th and 6th Amendments, however, these 415 servants of the Kleptocracy committed “Seditious Conspiracy”, a federal crime punishable by up to 20 years imprisonment:

U.S. CODE > TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > SECTION 2384 > SEDITIOUS CONSPIRACY

“If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.”

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2384.html

CALL TO ACTION:

I am asking all American citizens to check the following links to see if their Senators or Representatives are among the 415 that need to be arrested and charged with Seditious Conspiracy:

http://tinyurl.com/7v6zlq3
http://tinyurl.com/3mh3ke7

If they are, I recommend you report them using the most expeditious tool for assuring that all federal, state and local law enforcement agencies who need to get involved are properly informed, and that is the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting (SAR) Initiative, or “NaSI” for short. SAR links for all 50 states are available here:

http://amerikanreich.com/sar-list/

This is no joke. This is no drill. This may be our last chance to peacefully restore the Republic. And even if you might not consider our Republic worth saving, I suggest you help imprison THEM before they imprison YOU."

 

[Motown Marvel]

taking issue with this whole situation is a worthwhile cause. but the "Amerikan Reich" website that equates this whole thing with nazi germany and asking if we'll go as quietly as the jews makes me want to take no part in this, and i suspect will turn off most people who would otherwise be willing to take action.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

taking issue with this whole situation is a worthwhile cause. but the "Amerikan Reich" website that equates this whole thing with nazi germany and asking if we'll go as quietly as the jews makes me want to take no part in this, and i suspect will turn off most people who would otherwise be willing to take action.

Why? This legalizes "secret police" action just like the Enabling Acts in Nazi Germany did. It's a perfectly valid comparison. This could lead to the deaths of millions in the worst case scenario.

If you honestly would not join this cause because of that comparison then you are a lost cause. This is about the future of freedom in this country.

 

[Motown Marvel]

even with this act brought into law, and even with all the ridiculous possibilities that people are paranoid about with it, we are still nowhere near being anything close to nazi germany. and implying as much completely undermines the intentions of the cause. it makes me want to take part in it as much as it makes me want to join the protestor on the side of the road wielding the poster of obama with a hitler mustache.

the majority of people who come across this are gonna feel the same way, resulting in them losing a lot of support that they'd otherwise would have had, had they gone about it in a less extremist way.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

even with this act brought into law, and even with all the ridiculous possibilities that people are paranoid about with it, we are still nowhere near being anything close to nazi germany. and implying as much completely undermines the intentions of the cause. it makes me want to take part in it as much as it makes me want to join the protestor on the side of the road wielding the poster of obama with a hitler mustache.

the majority of people who come across this are gonna feel the same way, resulting in them losing a lot of support that they'd otherwise would have had, had they gone about it in a less extremist way.

That is incredibly naive. This type of "lamb to the slaughter" attitude is going to doom us. This bill takes away due process. Without due process, this is a police state now whether you recognize that or not. If you honestly trust the government to only use this for genuine 'bad guys' you're ignorant of history.

The majority of people are ****ing stupid.

"Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!"
-George Carlin

...which is why things have been able to get so bad in this country in the first place.

 

[Motown Marvel]

yes, it can override due process and conflicts with the bill of rights. and that is an issue you base the campaign on. not that we are now on the fast track to becoming nazi germany. because we are not. and to imply as much is ridiculous and impedes the cause far more than it helps it. it is blatant extremist paranoia. and the vast majority of people want no part in that.

and using quotes from stand up comedians wont help you get taken seriously. in fact, before you sling that quote at the rest of the world, you might wanna wonder how easily it could be directed at yourself.

 

[chaseter]

Heil Obama.

 

[Paradoxium]

If this was Bush, half of SHH would be over this like flies on fresh steaming pile of ****.

 

[redfirebird2008]

If this was Bush, half of SHH would be over this like flies on fresh steaming pile of ****.

I disagree. There are quite a few of us who have been complaining about it. Just because some of us didn't start a thread about it doesn't mean we haven't been voicing our anger about it. Obama and Bush are the same to me. Both have repeatedly violated the Constitution.

 

[DACrowe]

I am extremely disappointed that this was passed and the idea that the US military can bypass the US Constitution and hold indefinitely Americans because they are "suspected terrorists" is ridiculous.

At the same time, comparing the US government to Nazis? The thread had a worthwhile point that was derailed by conspiracy theory paranoia in the first post.

 

[Destructus86]

This is pretty bad. It's just another subtle step in taking away human rights. The government thinks people don't notice....sadly, most don't.

 

[SV Fan]

At the same time, comparing the US government to Nazis? The thread had a worthwhile point that was derailed by conspiracy theory paranoia in the first post.

I think it's a fair comparison in the sense the law is very similar to one the Nazi party passed a few years before they used it(claiming they were taking away some of your freedoms to have a little more security)

 

[Crazy Quilt]

At the same time, comparing the US government to Nazis? The thread had a worthwhile point that was derailed by conspiracy theory paranoia in the first post.

You have to love historical naivety. "We just aren't like them...it just cannot happen here..."

What about the comparison is not valid? The comparison is being made on the point of passing legislation to "legally" take away basic civil liberties akin to what the NDSAP did in Germany with the Enabling Acts. On the point in which the comparison is being made, it is a totally valid comparison.

Why is it any different for the U.S. government to take away these basic freedoms by legislation? How can we trust them to not brutalize people by using these new powers like the Nazis did in Germany(or the Stalinists did in the Soviet Union by 'disappearing' people)? The only argument is because "it's us". Not. Valid. Logic.

End of.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

yes, it can override due process and conflicts with the bill of rights. and that is an issue you base the campaign on. not that we are now on the fast track to becoming nazi germany. because we are not. and to imply as much is ridiculous and impedes the cause far more than it helps it. it is blatant extremist paranoia. and the vast majority of people want no part in that.

and using quotes from stand up comedians wont help you get taken seriously. in fact, before you sling that quote at the rest of the world, you might wanna wonder how easily it could be directed at yourself.

So the government has just passed legislation to give them the "right" to arrest, indefinitely hold and even murder U.S. citizens without due process and you have the nerve to say it's ridiculous and "blatant extremist paranoia" to compare it to past authoritarian regimes? Like I said, the vast majority of people are drooling idiots who learn nothing from history. "It can't happen here" is an invalid, emotionally-based argument.

That stand up comedian had more brains and a better grasp on the realities of this country than 90% of people do.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

Heil Obama.

This will still be law under a future Republican President. Maybe you should go and look at how many Republicans voted for this. Bush had just as horrible a record when it came to violating civil liberties in the name of the "War on terror". This is a bipartisan rape of the Bill of Rights.

If this was Bush, half of SHH would be over this like flies on fresh steaming pile of ****.

Pretty much.

 

[Victarion]

This will still be law under a future Republican President. Maybe you should go and look at how many Republicans voted for this. Bush had just as horrible a record when it came to violating civil liberties in the name of the "War on terror". This is a bipartisan rape of the Bill of Rights.

Sieg halt!

I think he called out Obama on the basis that he is the president. That nit aside, I agree at this is a bipartisan roman shower on the Bill of Rights.

 

[Pagan]

Heil Obama.

Yes but let's not forget about who all voted yes to it. Let's not forget that Obama made them change language in it that would have made it even more likely they would use this to squash dissent and fill some of those FEMA camps they have built. And yes the barracks are real. They are there for "emergency" contingencies. but they could easily be used to house prisoners.

The likelihood of a catastrophic economic collapse is enough to be concerned about. what if social upheaval like OWS started getting more like the Arab Spring?

Anyhow this law seems to be designed to skirt the constitution should people start organizing. being linked to AQ isn't really a legal requirement for them to deem you an enemy combatant.

Politicians are all the same. They give lip service to two different groups of people. It's all a puppet show. to keep us divided. It makes manipulating you easier. It's all a psyop pogrom. To keep you from looking behind the curtain. In the end the corporations and the super rich get their way.

Feel the boot of Fascism on your neck yet?

 

[Crazy Quilt]

Anyhow this law seems to be designed to skirt the constitution should people start organizing. being linked to AQ isn't really a legal requirement for them to deem you an enemy combatant.

Politicians are all the same. They give lip service to two different groups of people. It's all a puppet show. to keep us divided. It makes manipulating you easier. It's all a psyop pogrom. To keep you from looking behind the curtain. In the end the corporations and the super rich get their way.

Feel the boot of Fascism on your neck yet?

Exactly. And all you have to be is under suspicion for "terrorism" in order for them to lock you up without trial, without access to attorney etc. Or simply kill you.

The kind of things that can make you 'suspect' include having more than 7 days' supply of food in your home. In other words, this could be twisted to apply to almost anyone they want it to apply to.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

This law will most likely be declared unconstitutional by the supreme court the second someone gets detained under this law.

 

[Crazy Quilt]

This law will most likely be declared unconstitutional by the supreme court the second someone gets detained under this law.

Two questions...

1)What makes you think so?

2)Considering the law allows people to be detained without due process...how on Earth would the law ever come up for review by a court? The very nature of this is that somebody detained under it would be detained in secret without access to the judicial system.

 

[Marvolo]

As unconstitutional as I think this act is, anyone who thinks this makes us like nazi Germany or that we are close to becoming nazi Germany does not understand nazi Germany or what led to its rise.

 

[Valaquen]

^ You mean a p****d-off public, a rattled economy, a solemn, pessimistic zeitgeist and a leader elected because he promised change and hope? Saying that, comparisons to Nazis are easy; there are plenty of other fascistic governments the world over who, though not as outrageous as the Nazis, were or are still terrible. The US government has already shown that it has no qualms with detaining 'enemy combatants', nor has no troubles with torturing suspects in round-about ways. I feel sorry for any future whistleblowers. Look at Manning, for example. Terrible times.

 

[Marvolo]

^ You mean a p****d-off public, a rattled economy, a solemn, pessimistic zeitgeist and a leader elected because he promised change and hope? Saying that, comparisons to Nazis are easy; there are plenty of other fascistic governyments the world over who, though not as outrageous as the Nazis, were or are still terrible. The US government has already shown that it has no qualms with detaining 'enemy combatants', nor has no troubles with torturing suspects in round-about ways. I feel sorry for any future whistleblowers. Look at Manning, for example. Terrible times.

That is a very base and simplistic comparison.

The nazi rise to power isn't just a result of what happened after WWI. It goes back to Bismarck and the history of the country and its people. America and its people have had a very different history and are a very different culture and 21st century Americans are even more different. Normally I would say anything is possible but a takeover like the Nazis implemented simply isn't possible in America. That isn't to say a police state isn't possible but it will not be like nazi Germany. A nazi like party wouldn't thrive in America. For one Americans have never been ruled by a sovereign and we don't like the idea of anyone thinking they can rule us. We may be lazy but when push comes to shove we get **** done. An all powerful supreme leader would get knocked off pretty quick. If you took nazi Germany and put it in 21st century America it wouldn't survive.

And lets not forget the American government arrested and threw Japanese Americans into camps after Pearl Harbor. This act doesn't allow anything that hasn't been done before. If a corrupt group of people get elected to office do you really think they care if their actions are legal? The CIA has been doing corrupt **** since its inception. This act doesn't allow anything new or different from what our government is already capable of.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Two questions...

1)What makes you think so?

2)Considering the law allows people to be detained without due process...how on Earth would the law ever come up for review by a court? The very nature of this is that somebody detained under it would be detained in secret without access to the judicial system.

This law is to me, sounds like it will be very prone to slip ups. The first time they go after an innocent American lawsuits will come out of it.

 

[Schlosser85]

I did a blog about this on my YouTube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO1ZHksN2xw&list=UUfesY0XTSh-JsGRXLKXCtSQ&index=1&feature=plcp