NBC's ''The Brave''

[Kaleb]

‘For God & Country’ Picked Up To Series By NBC

Written by Georgaris and starring Mike Vogel and Anne Heche, For God & Country is described as a heart-pounding journey into the complex world of America’s elite undercover military heroes. While D.I.A. Deputy Director Patricia Campbell (Anne Heche) and her team of analysts wield the world’s most advanced surveillance technology from Washington, D.C., Adam Dalton (Mike Vogel) and his heroic Special Ops squad of highly trained undercover specialists use their unbreakable bond and commitment to freedom to save lives of innocent people and execute missions in some of the most dangerous places in the world.

 

[Kaleb]

Trailer

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Looks like they got rid of the original title

 

[Kaleb]

Also can one of the mods change the title of this thread to "The Brave"

 

[SV Fan]

Just looking at some TV sites, I notice a bunch of new military dramas this season. I guess that's a response to Trump's America

 

[Kaleb]

Just looking at some TV sites, I notice a bunch of new military dramas this season. I guess that's a response to Trump's America

Yeah I read that already several military dramas are expected to be greenlit.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Yeah I read that already several military dramas are expected to be greenlit.

CBS just ordered to series their new Navy SEAL drama with David Boreanaz and I think FOX and the CW still have some military-themed pilots that could get ordered this week.

 

[Fincher]

CBS just ordered to series their new Navy SEAL drama with David Boreanaz and I think FOX and the CW still have some military-themed pilots that could get ordered this week.

Valor on The CW is already ordered. It's like time travel all over again.

 

[Mars452]

Just looking at some TV sites, I notice a bunch of new military dramas this season. I guess that's a response to Trump's America

More likely because History Channel's "Six" somehow did well enough to be renewed.

Speaking of Trump's America, though, I thought it was pretty neat that one of the SF operators appears to be a practicing Muslim, while the female one is played by a half-Lebanese actress. Hopefully the show doesn't go the Homeland route where loyal Arab American or Muslim counterterrorism staff are actually secret terrorists, or suspected of being secret terrorists.

 

[Kaleb]

Pilot episode wasn't all too bad,far better than I expected.

 

[Mars452]

Thought this was pretty good as well. Not prestige TV by any means (although a lot of "prestige TV" got really terrible after a few seasons of good press), but solid network fare and something I'd gladly take over dreck like The Last Ship.

The field team is pretty solid, and I like the diversity there. It's nice having not just a token but multiple Muslim or Muslim-adjacent characters who are core members of the team (and thus hopefully not secret terrorists).

 

[X-Ray]

This is basically the Unit with a younger cast. And I'm liking it so far.

 

[TheVileOne]

Of all the new military shows on TV this season, this is the only one I pretty much like. The cast is most likable at least. The plots are generic, but it shot fairly well. The actions build up for a quick spurt, so they sort of feel more realistic rather than over the top, extended, goofy action scenes. It's tense build-up to one quick band-aid rip. The actors are all pretty good and have good chemistry.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

From the beginning The Brave felt like Taken without Bryan Mills and Anne Heche replacing Jennifer Beals. Of this year’s batch of mil/porn shows with The Last Ship, SEAL Team and Valor it is coming off as my best. The Brave team might not move as tactically as say the SEAL Team and uses cheaper equipment because they don’t have the Zero Dark Thirty budget and support from the Navy. At times the team seems to be protected by plot armor but so far it is not dragged down by the soap opera elements of its competition.

The major nit pick which pains me every time I hear it is calling an US Army Captain “Top”, the informal honorific given to Army First Sergeants. I can’t figure out how their military advisor allowed such a bone headed unforced error. The only thing that I can figure is that they heard Michael Irby as Sergeant First Class Grey use the term on The Unit 10 years ago when being informal with Dennis Haysbert’s portrayal of Sergeant Major Blane and thought “Top” referred to the commander of a special operations team

 

[TheVileOne]

Yeah Vogel's character is an Army Captain, so why are they calling him Top?

I guess it's like how Gunny is short for Gunnery Sergeant.

I think what I like about The Brave is that it's more about the team, their missions and their interactions. There's none of the soap opera garbage of SEAL Team. Oh his wife is all pissed at him because he's not emotionally available, but she will still give him sex in a motel whenever he wants. What the hell? What kind of forced melodrama garbage is that?

One issue I had. Jaz from the start was sort of a jerk about Amir on the team. Like she was skittish about him being Muslim, even though she is Muslim or at least ethnically middle-eastern on the show as well. Then she gives Dalton a hard time about him being angry about McG because he got honey-potted by that Russian agent's daughter. Oh well.

I did enjoy the Anne Heche scene where she she dressed down one of the analysts about basically needing to be able to act as the moral compass for the team's operations.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

It looks like SEAL Team will be the sole survivor of this year's crop or mil-porn. While leaving the door open for retooling, as with Taken, or going to basic cable like half seasons, like they did with JLo's Shades of Blue, NBC has limited the order to 13 episodes.

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[TheVileOne]

I'm fine with shorter seasons anyway. IMHO, 22-24 episodes is way too long anyway and causes too much filler garbage.

I hope The Brave can get another chance at bat, but not holding my breath.

 

[X-Ray]

Now we know why they call him "Top". Not sure how old the character is supposed to be. But ranking up to Sargeant Major then becoming a commissioned officer for a young looking dude like Vogel is video game (C.O.D, Battlefield) fast.

Tunnel vision was in play last night. It helped Jaz last as long as she did in that opened hotel. Then helped the Iranian royal guards capture her.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Now we know why they call him "Top". Not sure how old the character is supposed to be. But ranking up to Sargeant Major then becoming a commissioned officer for a young looking dude like Vogel is video game (C.O.D, Battlefield) fast.

Tunnel vision was in play last night. It helped Jaz last as long as she did in that opened hotel. Then helped the Iranian royal guards capture her.

For special forces Dalton likely would have been the Team Sergeant in an ODA (A-Team) an E-8 Master Sergeant where the "Top" the informal honorific for a First Sergeant came from. From there getting a Warrant to be the second in command of the ODA and given the age of Master Sergeants and Warrant Officers really weird to grant a commission at that point. If my memory serves my First Sergeant was around 32 years. My Platoon Sergeant who broke me in and who was promoted to First Sergeant of another company was around the same age

In any case "Top" does not stick when someone receives a warrant or a commission, it disappears. It would be like calling a former Gunnery Sergeant Marine Captain "Gunny" or a former enlisted USN sailor with a Lieutenant commission "Senior". It works better saying we are DIA and not really the Army anymore

Trying to hand wave their error away by having a spy in Iran say but you took a commission was totally wrong in my opinion. They doubled down and kept digging a deeper hole. I would have just called him Dalton from here on out and should the need arise to flashback you would see "Top" in Master Sergeant stripes and not Captain's bars

 

[TheVileOne]

SPO2 Dalisay, but what about Top being his nickname or Callsign more than his informal/honorific title? In your opinion?

 

[zenith16]

SPO2 Dalisay, but what about Top being his nickname or Callsign more than his informal/honorific title? In your opinion?

it's simple he was most like a sergiant that looked over every like how sam hanna is protraid in NCis lka as senore chief petty officer . or the show tour of duty where they showed their staff sergaint or a master segent watch over all ther lower soldiers and the name if talking miliartry never left them .

even if they are promoted. it stays with yaou. He's a captain though, it seems which makes far more sesne for someone working for the DIA why anne hash the actress keep mantioned jason Borne in the same sentence as dalton in interviews on tv so often . .

It seem'a both him (Dalton) and Amir(who's a Cia agent origially) are the ones with the most spy cred and preach is the senor non commised soldier there.

For special forces Dalton likely would have been the Team Sergeant in an ODA (A-Team) an E-8 Master Sergeant where the "Top" the informal honorific for a First Sergeant came from. From there getting a Warrant to be the second in command of the ODA and given the age of Master Sergeants and Warrant Officers really weird to grant a commission at that point. If my memory serves my First Sergeant was around 32 years. My Platoon Sergeant who broke me in and who was promoted to First Sergeant of another company was around the same age

In any case "Top" does not stick when someone receives a warrant or a commission, it disappears. It would be like calling a former Gunnery Sergeant Marine Captain "Gunny" or a former enlisted USN sailor with a Lieutenant commission "Senior". It works better saying we are DIA and not really the Army anymore

Trying to hand wave their error away by having a spy in Iran say but you took a commission was totally wrong in my opinion. They doubled down and kept digging a deeper hole. I would have just called him Dalton from here on out and should the need arise to flashback you would see "Top" in Master Sergeant stripes and not Captain's bars

yep

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

SPO2 Dalisay, but what about Top being his nickname or Callsign more than his informal/honorific title? In your opinion?

Not for a soldier. I can use "Gunny" for an example since there have been many more Marine Gunnery Sergeants portrayed as lead characters in fiction than Army First Sergeants. If Dalton had picked up TOP in any other service but the US Army it would have worked. But he along with McG and Jaz have US Army in their bios and would never give an officer "Top". Only Master Sergeants and Sergeants Major along with retired NCOs

it's simple he was most like a sergiant that looked over every like how sam hanna is protraid in NCis lka as senore chief petty officer . or the show tour of duty where they showed their staff sergaint or a master segent watch over all ther lower soldiers and the name if talking miliartry never left them .

even if they are promoted. it stays with yaou. He's a captain though, it seems which makes far more sesne for someone working for the DIA why anne hash the actress keep mantioned jason Borne in the same sentence as dalton in interviews on tv so often . .

It seem'a both him (Dalton) and Amir(who's a Cia agent origially) are the ones with the most spy cred and preach is the senor non commised soldier there.



yep

I would give Jaz and Preach the spy creed too. Unlike the others Jaz did not serve in a combat unit as a soldier being under the gender restrictions just now being lifted and she is bringing the cultural and language skills that Amir is. Only McG seems to be pure soldier, well pure special forces medic. But then wiki makes both Dalton and McG not just special forces, but Delta Force veterans. However I don't remember that line from the show

So now we wait until January to see how a disavowed team both rescues a member from the Revolutionary Guard and gets themselves out of Iran. While intense, here we go with the plot armor again. The target sort of made Amir and/or the spy at the public meeting site, yet Amir and the spy are the ones in the hotel lobby. And of course nobody saw the contact before so putting a mole on her face gets her past security that is nearly Presidential Secret Service levels of protection.

 

[TheVileOne]

Well it's still a TV show at the end of the day.

24 had so much idiocy that happened every week, I never got why it was viewed as such a prestigious show. In season 2, Kim Bauer literally gets caught in a cougar trap and is stalked by a cougar. Then she's taken captive by a crazy survivalist.

I think there's a good point to be made about some of the small details, but I don't expect ultra realism from a show like this either.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Well it's still a TV show at the end of the day.

24 had so much idiocy that happened every week, I never got why it was viewed as such a prestigious show. In season 2, Kim Bauer literally gets caught in a cougar trap and is stalked by a cougar. Then she's taken captive by a crazy survivalist.

I think there's a good point to be made about some of the small details, but I don't expect ultra realism from a show like this either.

I think 24 's legacy came entirely from its first season. In a way similar to Miami Vice 25 years before it or the Hawaii 5-0 reboot for a less popular recent example. It was that magic that you hoped would return that kept the ratings high enough, even if the flashes of them happened less and less frequently. until a network pulled the pug.

As to the small details I could argue that it is often the small details set a show apart from others of its genre. The cops that act like the actual cops of a city, getting medical procedures and jargon correct. Part of the problem The Brave is having that on the military culture front SEAL Team running just days later has done a better job of it. I hate the soap elements of SEAL Team but by all current evidence only SEAL Team will survive in this genre.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sounds like Bosch could be a show you might prefer SPO2 Dalisay .

I would take The Brave surviving over SEAL Team.

 

[SPO2 Dalisay]

Sounds like Bosch could be a show you might prefer SPO2 Dalisay .

I would take The Brave surviving over SEAL Team.

I see in season 3 on Bosch they updated him from a Gulf War veteran, which stood in for the novels Vietnam tunnel rat and made Harry a 5th Special Forces Group veteran of the early fighting in Afghanistan. But still in the end that is a cop show.

The interrogation was trippy. I am surprised that they didn't finish up by putting white mask on the guards if not also the interrogator. The plan seemed, well okay let the French tell the Iranians you have an American spy and just like that Iran's justice system takes over