Whiskey Tango
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Couldn't Truman have demonstrated the terrible power of that weapon, by blowing a way a forested area? You act like your grandfather beat a bar check or something....the bomb saved my grandfather from going to japan( he was off the coast of Okinawa ) ..who knows what would have happened to him if we didnt drop the bomb
Couldn't Truman have demonstrated the terrible power of that weapon, by blowing a way a forested area? You act like your grandfather beat a bar check or something....
No, the point of showing off the true destructive power of a weapon is by actually using it, not demonstrating it.
Not only that, but the use of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is essentially the whole "kill millions to save billions" idea. Sure hundreds of thousands of people died in the atomic bombings of Japan, but an invasion of Japan would have costed tens of thousands of Allied troops (estimates put it at the millions) and tens of millions of Japanese citizens, especially since Japan's defense plans essentially consisted of just throwing whoever they could at the Allied forces because they had no resources.
And dare I say it would have saved hundreds of thousands more Japanese civilians during the Cold War because the Soviet Union planned on invading the Japanese mainland as well with the Soviet military invading Hokkaido, which would have resulted in the Soviet Union either annexing the island like they did with the Kuril Islands and Southern Sakhalin and brutally oppressed the native Japanese along with evicting and displacing them.
Or set up a communist puppet state of North Japan which would have brutally oppressed its citizens. And Asian Communist nations, asides from Mongolia, made the rest of the Communist bloc look like happy fun time land.
No, the point of showing off the true destructive power of a weapon is by actually using it, not demonstrating it.
Not only that, but the use of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is essentially the whole "kill millions to save billions" idea. Sure hundreds of thousands of people died in the atomic bombings of Japan, but an invasion of Japan would have costed tens of thousands of Allied troops (estimates put it at the millions) and tens of millions of Japanese citizens, especially since Japan's defense plans essentially consisted of just throwing whoever they could at the Allied forces because they had no resources.
And dare I say it would have saved hundreds of thousands more Japanese civilians during the Cold War because the Soviet Union planned on invading the Japanese mainland as well with the Soviet military invading Hokkaido, which would have resulted in the Soviet Union either annexing the island like they did with the Kuril Islands and Southern Sakhalin and brutally oppressed the native Japanese along with evicting and displacing them.
Or set up a communist puppet state of North Japan which would have brutally oppressed its citizens. And Asian Communist nations, asides from Mongolia, made the rest of the Communist bloc look like happy fun time land.
Couldn't Truman have demonstrated the terrible power of that weapon, by blowing a way a forested area? You act like your grandfather beat a bar check or something....
Couldn't Truman have demonstrated the terrible power of that weapon, by blowing a way a forested area? You act like your grandfather beat a bar check or something....
The Soviets would have BRUTALIZED Japan especially considering the Russo-Japanese War in 1905. They would have made a harsh example of them.
The Japanese basically destroyed Russia in the Russo-Japanese War (if you're implying that Japanese would have sought revenge). The Japanese weren't far from the Nazis in terms of brutality and violence; they also thought they were racially superior. They committed the Nanking Massacre and similar atrocities throughout East Asia and the Pacific.
No, the point of showing off the true destructive power of a weapon is by actually using it, not demonstrating it.
Not only that, but the use of the atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki is essentially the whole "kill millions to save billions" idea. Sure hundreds of thousands of people died in the atomic bombings of Japan, but an invasion of Japan would have costed tens of thousands of Allied troops (estimates put it at the millions) and tens of millions of Japanese citizens, especially since Japan's defense plans essentially consisted of just throwing whoever they could at the Allied forces because they had no resources.
And dare I say it would have saved hundreds of thousands more Japanese civilians during the Cold War because the Soviet Union planned on invading the Japanese mainland as well with the Soviet military invading Hokkaido, which would have resulted in the Soviet Union either annexing the island like they did with the Kuril Islands and Southern Sakhalin and brutally oppressed the native Japanese along with evicting and displacing them.
Or set up a communist puppet state of North Japan which would have brutally oppressed its citizens. And Asian Communist nations, asides from Mongolia, made the rest of the Communist bloc look like happy fun time land.
Not only did it save lives, but it showed the world what nuclear weapons could do. There is a reason nuclear weapons haven't been used in warfare since then.
SuperFerret, I agree that your answer especially, was flat-out "simple".Flat out simple answer: Even back then, forested areas were becoming harder and harder to come by, where people are far more common.
You're looking at it too emotionally, and from the point of view of those killed by the bombs. You shouldn't do that as it blurs your vision of what's real.
SuperFerret, I agree that your answer especially, was flat-out "simple".
To the other responses that cite hypothetical scenarios rather than factual history, my rejoinder:
would you therefore agree the United States should have been a-bombed, to prevent it from arming violent, repressive dictatorships in South America, Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and fueling ongoing civil wars?
ah ww2...a war that was actually worth fighting.
We shouldn't have been a-bombed, but we should have subjected ourselves to the same war-crime trials as we did the japanese and germans. Seems its only a war crime if you're the loser. Victors are never wrongSuperFerret, I agree that your answer especially, was flat-out "simple".
To the other responses that cite hypothetical scenarios rather than factual history, my rejoinder: would you therefore agree the United States should have been a-bombed, to prevent it from arming violent, repressive dictatorships in South America, Africa, Asia, and the Middle East, and fueling ongoing civil wars?