NEW full TRAILER!!!

[IDrawDeadPeople]

Sorry, but that's embarassing. Looks like a high-budget Troma movie.

And, what's even better (and by better I mean an atrocity) is that when unbiased reviewers who may have even lauded 300 and Sin City begin to review this film for newspapers, magazines, sites, etc., and they begin to discuss the film's attributes, such as arthouse directing bordering on avant garde gibberish, Samuel L Jackson's crack cocaine addict performance, the forced dialogue, and the main character's TOUGH GUY & SEX POWERS...

... It's going to be Will Eisner's name that is dropped in all of these articles as the 'creator' of this excrement.

Miller's creativity has the potential to allow Eisner's good name to be used as toilet paper by the mainstream media who, not only, don't understand this film, let alone that Miller wasn't actually using Eisner's ideas, at all.

But, as Miller, himself, said in his dialogue for this film, "Come on! Toilets are always funny!".

 

[C. Lee]

....the only thing that is getting old here is the Miller bashing, and Jackson looks neat.

If it was a constant complaint about everything Miller has done (ala Uwe Bole) then I would consider it bashing. I see it more of a complaint about how he is handling this particular project.

I've read and appreciated most things Miller has done since the early 80's. I am a fan of Sin City. His style worked for that movie. I and others just don't think it is right for this project.

And as for Jackson.....I don't think he looks "neat" in the slightest. But that's my opinion.

 

[rogue trooper]

If it was a constant complaint about everything Miller has done (ala Uwe Bole) then I would consider it bashing. I see it more of a complaint about how he is handling this particular project.

I've read and appreciated most things Miller has done since the early 80's. I am a fan of Sin City. His style worked for that movie. I and others just don't think it is right for this project.

And as for Jackson.....I don't think he looks "neat" in the slightest. But that's my opinion.

.....and I was reffering to the Miller bashing of this particular film.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

.....and I was reffering to the Miller bashing of this particular film.

We're right there with you...

We wish Miller would stop beating the life out of these characters and Eisner's legacy, too.


Oh... you meant something else...

 

[rogue trooper]

Oh... you meant something else...

You catch on fast.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

You catch on fast.

I realized it had to be something else... once I remembered that you had no respect for Eisner's work or the character...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^Dude, you are pissed.

 

[Ziggyman]

^Dude, you are pissed.

Hah...Tis a true statement...Sarcasm hurts!

 

[rogue trooper]

I realized it had to be something else... once I remembered that you had no respect for Eisner's work or the character...

Ok, listen you, you're stepping out of line now. This character assasination. Keep it up and I'm notifyin C. Lee. I kid you not.

 

[Ziggyman]

Ok, listen you, you're stepping out of line now. This character assasination. Keep it up and I'm notifyin C. Lee. I kid you not.

Let it go my friend...These are opinionated forums...Too bad we are a minority in this thread...Let it be...

 

[C. Lee]

No need for notification...I'm here reading things.

Message to everyone...

Keep it civil in here please people. Discussion and debate can be done without getting rude.

Example....rogue trooper and I disagree with the direction this film is going....but we are not attacking each other. We are expressing our opinions.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

I thought the *razz* oldrazz meant something...

We need better smilies.

 

[BirdsDoThus]

I LOVE Miller, I think he is great, I do NOT however like AT ALL what he is doing with The Spirit.

I mean, word of the comic con footage has Sam Jackson beating Denny Colt....with a severed head.

A freaking head.

Like WTH?

Does anyone else feel that Miller is making FUN of The Spirit? I mean maybe that is the point...

Cause I feel like I am missing the punchline to a bad joke

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

I LOVE Miller, I think he is great, I do NOT however like AT ALL what he is doing with The Spirit.

I mean, word of the comic con footage has Sam Jackson beating Denny Colt....with a severed head.

A freaking head.

Like WTH?

Does anyone else feel that Miller is making FUN of The Spirit? I mean maybe that is the point...

Cause I feel like I am missing the punchline to a bad joke

To be honest... and fair...

I don't think Miller is making fun of the character. I think he truly believes he is doing Eisner justice, and that he is capable of bringing this character to life for new audiences without compromising the core values of the original work.

The problem is that he (obviously) cannot. Miller writes a certain way and crafts very specific types of characters with very specific vocabularies and it's miles beyond what Eisner would ever do with certain characters.

For good, for bad, for whatever... he just writes very one dimensionally in terms of making things 'extreme'. In the Comiccon clips... in all of the combined 3 minutes... it was not shocking in the least that someone had to use the word 'b@$t@rd'. It also was not shocking that he chose to have it coming out of Ellen's mouth... of all characters. Because, it's not her character at all.

Which isn't some sinister motive on Miller's part.

It's just the only thing he knows how to write.

In another thread, I mentioned how the Octopus should have more class, and I think it was Rogue Trooper said that the Octopus looks classy to him. What I was actually saying is that Miller writes extreme 'mental breakdown' scenes... and Sam Jackson is typecast into doing the 'mental breakdown' scene... but, it's just not the Octopus to have a shirt that says 'mutha****a' like the one described in the footage or to be spouting lower class vernacular. I meant he is more sophistocated... which could condemn his wardrobe, too... but, I meant the comically freaking out and acting like Sam Jackson written by Frank Miller rather than the Octopus written by Will Eisner.

Everything is simply amplified or exaggerated because Miller writes everything exaggerated. That's why Denny's toughness and libido had to become amplified into 'superpowers'.

An example I keep thinking of is there is a world of difference between any of the most 'revealing' women that Eisner EVER used in his stories versus the huge breasted, topless Brigette Neilsen with the swastikas tattooed over her nipples from The Dark Knight Returns. It's got to be shockingly abrasive to fit into Miller's universe, on most accounts... not all... but, most.

Naked women, swastikas, bad languange for no reason other than bad language... it's all shock tactics for the sake of being shocking.

And, if you are a fan of Miller's work, it's great to see what he's doing... because it's familiar.

If you were looking forward to a Will Eisner Spirit film, it's like a kick in the groin.

But, no... it's not personal. He just doesn't know better. And, I'm not saying that to be funny. Miller just doesn't know any other way to do this...

 

[BETArayBill]

fyi totally off topic but amazon has the spirit teaser poster the one with the my city screams one for 4.99 if any one is looking for one

 

[theMan-Bat]

I LOVE Miller, I think he is great, I do NOT however like AT ALL what he is doing with The Spirit.

I mean, word of the comic con footage has Sam Jackson beating Denny Colt....with a severed head.

He hits the Spirit with a severed head, a cinder block, a tire wrench, and a toilet.

 

[theMan-Bat]

fyi totally off topic but amazon has the spirit teaser poster the one with the my city screams one for 4.99 if any one is looking for one

Thanks.

 

[GlasgowGrin]

slightly off topic, but at my theater they've set up a big cardboard thing for the spirit and i walked by a couple looking at it and i heard the guy ask what it was and the girl said "i dunno, i guess it's called spirit? i've never heard of it, maybe he's a newly created hero."

a possible indicator of how the general public is receiving this?

 

[theMan-Bat]

To be honest... and fair...

I don't think Miller is making fun of the character. I think he truly believes he is doing Eisner justice, and that he is capable of bringing this character to life for new audiences without compromising the core values of the original work.

The problem is that he (obviously) cannot. Miller writes a certain way and crafts very specific types of characters with very specific vocabularies and it's miles beyond what Eisner would ever do with certain characters.

For good, for bad, for whatever... he just writes very one dimensionally in terms of making things 'extreme'. In the Comiccon clips... in all of the combined 3 minutes... it was not shocking in the least that someone had to use the word 'b@$t@rd'. It also was not shocking that he chose to have it coming out of Ellen's mouth... of all characters. Because, it's not her character at all.

"Bastard" is a bad word now? It's obviously not considered that offensive since it's not censored like **** or **** is and people say it on television. And she only whispers "Bastard" under her breath after he quickly left and he appeared to be flirting a little with Morgenstern. She was understandably upset.

Which isn't some sinister motive on Miller's part.

It's just the only thing he knows how to write.

In another thread, I mentioned how the Octopus should have more class, and I think it was Rogue Trooper said that the Octopus looks classy to him. What I was actually saying is that Miller writes extreme 'mental breakdown' scenes... and Sam Jackson is typecast into doing the 'mental breakdown' scene... but, it's just not the Octopus to have a shirt that says 'mutha****a' like the one described in the footage or to be spouting lower class vernacular. I meant he is more sophistocated... which could condemn his wardrobe, too... but, I meant the comically freaking out and acting like Sam Jackson written by Frank Miller rather than the Octopus written by Will Eisner.

The Octopus is not described as wearing a shirt that says 'mutha***a' in the movie. Samuel L. Jackson was just wearing a shirt that says 'badmofokos' at comic-con.
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Everything is simply amplified or exaggerated because Miller writes everything exaggerated. That's why Denny's toughness and libido had to become amplified into 'superpowers'.

The amplified endurance explains how Denny could take such intense physical punishment.
As the video shows, nether Miller or Macht stated that the Spirit has sex powers, or his pheromones have been altered into a superpower. All Macht said was, "for some reason he has some extra level of pheromone attraction."

An example I keep thinking of is there is a world of difference between any of the most 'revealing' women that Eisner EVER used in his stories versus the huge breasted, topless Brigette Neilsen with the swastikas tattooed over her nipples from The Dark Knight Returns. It's got to be shockingly abrasive to fit into Miller's universe, on most accounts... not all... but, most.

Naked women, swastikas, bad languange for no reason other than bad language... it's all shock tactics for the sake of being shocking.

It's merely a refection of the world we live in. Our world is filled with naked women, swastikas, and bad language.

And, if you are a fan of Miller's work, it's great to see what he's doing... because it's familiar.

If you were looking forward to a Will Eisner Spirit film, it's like a kick in the groin.

But, no... it's not personal. He just doesn't know better. And, I'm not saying that to be funny. Miller just doesn't know any other way to do this...

We've not seen any nude breasts on camera in the Spirit, we've not heard any bad language in the Spirit, and there is but one swastika in the Spirit.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

"Bastard" is a bad word now? It's obviously not considered that offensive since it's not censored like **** or **** is and people say it on television. And she only whispers "Bastard" under her breath after he quickly left and he appeared to be flirting a little with

I'm not talking about -bad- words... I was proving Miller's limited vocabulary.

Swastikas show up in Miller's work as shock value... not because they are "a part of our world", but because ten year olds draw them on their book covers in school, not because the kids are Hitler Youth... but because "It's shocking".


I know you keep chasing after any of us who point out the obvious flaws in this production, because you are not able to accept anything could actually ever be wrong with something Miller does... and I say good for you... but I recall not too long ago, when you were attempting what you are doing now, which is putting words into my mouth and twisting what I was saying to fit your "Miller has no flaws" agenda, you were wounded by one of my posts, and it was decided that my replies made you distraught, and you were told to stop talking to me, because I was mean and not at all sensitive.

I don't want to walk into any emotional traps (I want to post about the film and how it has nothing to do with Will Eisner), and since you provide absolutely nothing substantial to a conversation (with me in particular... you are probabaly very sociable and graceful with everyone else... I give you the benefit of the doubt), I would kindly ask that you stop following me around on here, provoking me with your unthoughtout responses to my posts, as to avoid confrontations or any more emotional strain on your part.

Thank you.

And, I mean this sincerely... it's hard to word this without sounding like I'm condescending, but I don't think we need a mod for 'peer mediation'.

 

[theMan-Bat]

I'm not talking about -bad- words... I was proving Miller's limited vocabulary.

Swastikas show up in Miller's work as shock value... not because they are "a part of our world", but because ten year olds draw them on their book covers in school, not because the kids are Hitler Youth... but because "It's shocking".

You act like your opinions are facts, there not.

I know you keep chasing after any of us who point out the obvious flaws in this production, because you are not able to accept anything could actually ever be wrong with something Miller does... and I say good for you... but I recall not too long ago, you were wounded by one of my posts, and it was decided that my replies made you cry, and you were told to stop talking to me, because I was mean and not at all sensitive.

Actually, after I reported you, you were told:

Stop with the name calling. If you have a problem with a poster simply use the ignore option, you'll not be able to see their posts.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=284193&page=24

Oh, and no tears were shed.

I don't want to walk into any emotional traps (I want to post about the film and how it has nothing to do with Will Eisner), and since you provide absolutely nothing substantial to a conversation (with me in particular... you are probabaly very sociable and graceful with everyone else... I give you the benefit of the doubt), I would kindly ask that you stop following me around on here, provoking me with your unthoughtout responses to my posts, as to avoid confrontations or any more emotional strain on your part.

Thank you.

And, I mean this sincerely... it's hard to word this without sounding like I'm condescending, but I don't think we need a mod for 'peer mediation'.

I've not responded to your posts anymore than rogue trooper has. Your just pissed off at me because I reported you to a mod months ago, and you can't let it go and stay on topic.

 

[theMan-Bat]

slightly off topic, but at my theater they've set up a big cardboard thing for the spirit and i walked by a couple looking at it and i heard the guy ask what it was and the girl said "i dunno, i guess it's called spirit? i've never heard of it, maybe he's a newly created hero."

a possible indicator of how the general public is receiving this?

Yeah, most people have never even heard of The Spirit, so their naturally going to assume it's a new character.

 

[C. Lee]

"Bastard" is a bad word now? It's obviously not considered that offensive since it's not censored like **** or **** is and people say it on television. And she only whispers "Bastard" under her breath after he quickly left and he appeared to be flirting a little with Morgenstern. She was understandably upset.

Actually....yes, it's considered a bad word. Call another poster that and see how long it takes to get a warning. It isn't censored because it has legitament uses....not just as a derogatory term used to insult people.

I also have to agree with IDrawDeadPeople that the idea of Ellen Dolan calling anyone a "bastard" is not my idea of how to handle the character.

 

[IDrawDeadPeople]

You act like your opinions are facts, there not.

I've not responded to your posts anymore than rogue trooper has. Your just pissed off at me because I reported you to a mod months ago, and you can't let it go and stay on topic.

Actually, I could care less that you 'told on me', because my gripe was exactly the same then as it is now... you provoke responses by badgering people and then run and tell when you are called out for it.

Rogue Trooper has every right to reply to me because we are having a conversation... and he does not quote me, line for line, and then proceed to show zero reading comprehension skills when it comes to attempting to decipher my basic English.

You are willingly or unwillingly ignorant when it comes to communication with me, at least, and your telling or crying or whatever it is you choose to do with your free time has nothing to do with it.

I asked you to stop annoying me with your stalker-ish posts, and it's not because you are a teller... it's because you contribute nothing to anything, other than provoking, misinterpreting others' posts, and hot linking pics from all over the internet.

And, I will kindly ask, once again, that you stop making me want to take a shower to get the feeling of rape off of me, and please find something else to do, rather than fail at comprehending my posts.

"You stole fizzy lifting drinks! Good day, sir!"

And, just to make this lighthearted...

 

[Boom]

That trailer looks awful to me. Completely different from what I was hoping for. Meh.