New Interview - Kinberg and Penn Speak

[Retroman]

That "battle" (if there was one) ended when shooting ended, so they knew they lost yet they sold us bs.

The crew shot extra scenes in January, March and April (

Spoiler

Magneto chess scene at the end

for example).Maybe they wrote a few extra scenes for Marsden to film during that period?

 

[Octoberist]

It's not like I will walk into X3 with a very negative attitude: I'm just not expecting much. Maybe it'll surprise me. Maybe it'll p*ss me off even more.

Either way, I've been very nice to this movie for the longest time. I've always held back, until now......

The hype for X3, for me anyway, is really low. I hope that it could blow me away, but we'll see.

There's too many factors with this movie that makes me mad. I really really miss Singer right now cuz I feel that X3 was directed by a business commitee, that just wanted to rush this thing out. I swear, I don't even see a friggin' toyline for this flick. Maybe some statues, but that's it. Please!

BTW,

I agree that Kitty shouldn't of been dropped, and Gambit should of taken her place. Bad decision on Kinberg and Penn's part. "Oh Gambit is too big," said Kinberg. Idiot!

 

[CapBeerCino]

The crew shot extra scenes in January, March and April (

Spoiler

Magneto chess scene at the end

for example).Maybe they wrote a few extra scenes for Marsden to film during that period?

Even so based on what did they say Cyclops have surprises? And leaving the day the novels are out? Fishy.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

It's not like I will walk into X3 with a very negative attitude: I'm just not expecting much. Maybe it'll surprise me. Maybe it'll p*ss me off even more.

Either way, I've been very nice to this movie for the longest time. I've always held back, until now......

The hype for X3, for me anyway, is really low. I hope that it could blow me away, but we'll see.

There's too many factors with this movie that makes me mad. I really really miss Singer right now cuz I feel that X3 was directed by a business commitee, that just wanted to rush this thing out. I swear, I don't even see a friggin' toyline for this flick. Maybe some statues, but that's it. Please!

BTW,

I agree that Kitty shouldn't of been dropped, and Gambit should of taken her place. Bad decision on Kinberg and Penn's part. "Oh Gambit is too big," said Kinberg. Idiot!

Yea, this whole "Gambit is too big!" thing is actually more disrespectful to the other characters than it is respectful to Gambit.

Gambit is "too big" and "too important" to be introduced with a cameo, and possibly expanded upon later, but Beast, Iceman, Pyro, Kitty Pryde, and Colossus aren't important enough to be "saved"?

Gambit is "too important" to give a bit part, but Cyclops is such an insignificant character that it's okay to kill him off as the first act in the Phoenix story?

Gambit is "too big" for a bit part that doesn't really flesh him out, but Colossus isn't a big enough character to warrant being fleshed out in his role?

It's hypocritical, and disrespectful to everyone involved.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

The crew shot extra scenes in January, March and April (

Spoiler

Magneto chess scene at the end

for example).Maybe they wrote a few extra scenes for Marsden to film during that period?

What extra scenes?

You mean, a month wasn't enough time to film Cyclops crying in his bedroom, and being vaporized at the lake?

I mean, if what we're getting of Cyclops is all EXTRA scenes added in LATER in the process, oh me oh my, the Cyclops situation is a lot worse than we thought!

 

[Retroman]

They mislead us from the very start, Nell and Retro.

I remembered on how we couldn't get a damn straight answer from Kinberg or Penn when if Gambit was going to be in. There's even a VIDEO interview where Kinberg confirmed that he was in, but not in a big role. Then they all beat around the bush, and finally it was revealed that Gambit was cut out. My hopes were high, and it was destroyed. Strike ONE.

Then came the whole Cyclops fiasco. Once again, never got a straight answer from Penn or Kinberg. Then we got some promo pix of Cyclops in uniform and I got excited. But now, my hope was destroyed once again. Friggin' Kinberg was proud of Marsden's performance? What? All 5 minutes of it? Strike Two.

Now, back to Gambit, Kinberg and Penn promised that they would use him in X4. Is there an X4, or are they lying again? They were pushing my patience, seriously. Then Ratner even hinted that some characters might come back, IF there was an X4. IF.

Strike 3? I don't know. I just know that if there's an X4, I want them to shape up or ship out!

Yes we were mislead about Gambit and also about Stacy X (for the fans of that character).Kinberg said that Marsden himself was proud of his performance in X3.

Again, the writers have no control over the promo material of the x-men in costume. Put the blame of FOX merketing for that cock-up.

If X4 is made i expect the same crew to return. I don't expect to see Singer back. Warner want him to do Logan's Run ánd Superman 2.

 

[Octoberist]

Looks like they just missed the boat. I really dont' want an X4, unless they got GOD as it's director.

I just feel that they could of, and would of, done a lot more to X3, but they chose not to. cough..Cyclops..cough.

I mean, Anna Paquin, from what I can tell, looks bored in X3. Too bad there's no Cajun magic that could spice up her role

 

[CapBeerCino]

It's not like I will walk into X3 with a very negative attitude: I'm just not expecting much. Maybe it'll surprise me. Maybe it'll p*ss me off even more.

Either way, I've been very nice to this movie for the longest time. I've always held back, until now......

The hype for X3, for me anyway, is really low. I hope that it could blow me away, but we'll see.

There's too many factors with this movie that makes me mad. I really really miss Singer right now cuz I feel that X3 was directed by a business commitee, that just wanted to rush this thing out. I swear, I don't even see a friggin' toyline for this flick. Maybe some statues, but that's it. Please!

BTW,

I agree that Kitty shouldn't of been dropped, and Gambit should of taken her place. Bad decision on Kinberg and Penn's part. "Oh Gambit is too big," said Kinberg. Idiot!

Concider yourself lucky - would you really want x-3's take on Gambit? He'd probably die...
I wish they'd only use the "cure" plot. Jean doesn't have to rise right away. keep the DP for x-4 then do it right.

 

[Octoberist]

Yes we were mislead about Gambit and also about Stacy X (for the fans of that character).Kinberg said that Marsden himself was proud of his performance in X3.

Again, the writers have no control over the promo material of the x-men in costume. Put the blame of FOX merketing for that cock-up.

If X4 is made i expect the same crew to return. I don't expect to see Singer back. Warner want him to do Logan's Run ánd Superman 2.

And it's a shame that Marvel is stuck with Fox....

Like what I've said before Retro, it sounds like this movie was being run by a business committee, not geniune filmmakers... Greed and misleading the public is normal to the corrupted

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Even so based on what did they say Cyclops have surprises? And leaving the day the novels are out? Fishy.

They said Cyclops would have some surprises...

Well, SURPRISE! We didn't change the AICN script at all, even though we said we did. You surprised? I think you are, I can tell by the look in your eyes!



In their defense though, it was ted who closed down the forums on the xverse. He said he'll reopen them on the 26th.

I doubt Kinberg and Penn will be back.

They ****ed up royally, and if those threads open back up, the fans are going to be relentless upon them. I'll be the first in line to let them know that they ****ed up. They say they don't care about critics, that they care about the core fans. Well, we are the core fans, and if those threads do open back up, we need to voice our displeasure to them. They ****ed up, and they need to know it.

 

[Octoberist]

Concider yourself lucky - would you really want x-3's take on Gambit? He'd probably die...
I wish they'd only use the "cure" plot. Jean doesn't have to rise right away. keep the DP for x-4 then do it right.

If X3 turns out to be a piece of garbage, I could either go "Gambit would of made the movie much better" or "Thank God Gambit wasn't tainted by this low life movie".

 

[CapBeerCino]

I don't expect to see Singer back. Warner want him to do Logan's Run ánd Superman 2.

Like Fox will have him back... Look what they are doing to Jimmy's role out of their pride.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Like Fox will have him back... Look what they are doing to Jimmy's role out of their pride.

I still don't think Jimmy's role was Fox's doing.

It was Kinberg and Penn's inability to work around his limited schedule. They took the easy way out, because they couldn't find a creative way to maximize his limited availability.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You know... I should have taken it as a sign...

When I started playing X-Men Legends 2, and Cyclops always seemed to die in my party...

 

[CapBeerCino]

They said Cyclops would have some surprises...

Well, SURPRISE! We didn't change the AICN script at all, even though we said we did. You surprised? I think you are, I can tell by the look in your eyes!

That got me laughing so hard no Lol can cover it

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

That got me laughing so hard no Lol can cover it

I'm glad I can bring a ray of sunshine in these dark times.

 

[Retroman]

Even so based on what did they say Cyclops have surprises? And leaving the day the novels are out? Fishy.

Maybe they meant the way he reacts Jean's death - totally out of character- Scott becomes irresponsible. This forces

Spoiler

Xavier to hand the leadership to Storm

.

What extra scenes?

You mean, a month wasn't enough time to film Cyclops crying in his bedroom, and being vaporized at the lake?

I mean, if what we're getting of Cyclops is all EXTRA scenes added in LATER in the process, oh me oh my, the Cyclops situation is a lot worse than we thought!

I'm specualting that they wrote a few extra scenes like the one i just mentioned to please Cyclops fans a bit. Maybe they tried to convince the Brett and the producers to find a way to show that Cyclops isn't dead like Xavier. I don't know.

 

[CapBeerCino]

I still don't think Jimmy's role was Fox's doing.

It was Kinberg and Penn's inability to work around his limited schedule. They took the easy way out, because they couldn't find a creative way to maximize his limited availability.

Common, no writer is that bad he can't see that when a character dies it should affect the other characters SOME HOW! (other two major characters deaths are morned, so they know how write it when they want to).

Edit: and then hint that they take back every death/cure in the movie but one!

 

[Feyd Rautha]

I don't hold any anger to Penn and Kinberg because I think they've written a good movie.

As a Gambit fan myself, it is a patience tester (what is it over 6 years now?) and I understand the frustration on that part. 8 months on since the announcement of Gambit getting cut...and it still creates a bitter feeling amoungst many. Rogue's outcome seems to be another body-blow seeing as though his most significant character

Spoiler

has been cured and not to mention poorly portrayed in X3...it leaves a big questionmark over her future

So yes, it's understandable.

I know some are against X4, but with pretty much everyone introduced, Gambit's the front runner to show up. If he gets a big role, we may look back and be glad he wasn't in X3...in which he would've probably got a grand total of 2 mins of screentime, being just a lame Brotherhood thug. I don't want that.

 

[Retroman]

And it's a shame that Marvel is stuck with Fox....

Like what I've said before Retro, it sounds like this movie was being run by a business committee, not geniune filmmakers... Greed and misleading the public is normal to the corrupted

It's the harsh reality. They're pulling the same tricks with the Fantastic Four films.Story has to deliver that movie in less time than expected.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Maybe they meant the way he reacts Jean's death - totally out of character- Scott becomes irresponsible. This forces

Spoiler

Xavier to hand the leadership to Storm

.

But he won't even have a chance to showcase that recknlessness and irresponsible behavior!

He's gonna miss a Danger Room session because he's crying in his room hearing voices, and he's gonna get blown to smithereens by his psycho ***** girlfriend.

We'll never get a chance to ever see that stuff. If he was around for the movie, going all bonkers cuz of the mind **** going on in his head, after watching Jean die, resurrect, and go ****ing bananas, then yea, I could see it.

But he's got what, 2 ****ing scenes in the whole movie? How can you possibly show that this guy has become a reckless mess in 2 scenes?

 

[The Batman]

i doubt penn and kinberg are coming back to the xverse. i truly doubt it

 

[Retroman]

Like Fox will have him back... Look what they are doing to Jimmy's role out of their pride.

They cleared out Singers office. So i don't think he'd want to return anyway. Not with the man who is in charge.

 

[Retroman]

I still don't think Jimmy's role was Fox's doing.

It was Kinberg and Penn's inability to work around his limited schedule. They took the easy way out, because they couldn't find a creative way to maximize his limited availability.

He was available for 8/9 weeks.
From what can be seen in the behind-the-scenes video we got not so long ago, Famke was standing on her own even though Magneto and Pyro are in the shot with her.So hypothetically Cyclops could have been in the final battle.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Common, no writer is that bad he can't see that when a character dies it should affect the other characters SOME HOW! (other two major characters deaths are morned, so they know how write it when they want to).

Edit: and then hint that they take back every death/cure in the movie but one!

Yet... these 2 writers didn't make it so Cyclops' death affected everyone around him...

Do you mean to tell me that Fox's parameters were:

"We don't want Cyclops in this movie because James Marsden went to Superman Returns. So we're going to RESIGN THE ACTOR, and PAY HIM TO BE IN OUR MOVIE, but you have to kill him off early in the film. And on top of killing him off, he must be mentioned as little as possible for the remainder of the film."???

Oh, by the way, Fox is going to market the **** out of Cyclops, despite the fact that they don't want him anywhere near their franchise.

I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

Parameters = "James Marsden is going to be shooting Superman Returns for a good percentage of our scheduled shoot, so you need to find some way to work around that schedule and fit him into the story."

Kinberg & Penn: "We have a limited time to work with Marsden? Let's kill him off, that won't take much time at all"

^ That's more like it.

Why would Fox allow Ratner to shoot a MORE EXPENSIVE 3rd act, but not allow him to utilize a bit more of the Cyclops character? I doubt that Kinberg and Penn or Ratner ever fought for more Cyclops. They wrote his role a small role, because they had limited time to work with the actor, and it was the easiest thing to come up with. They had no intentions of going back, and doing a bit of creative work to work the character into the climax of the film. They were perfectly content with his role... AS THEY'VE STATED MANY TIMES ON THE XVERSE!!!

Penn said pretty directly "Considering the parameters we had, I am VERY HAPPY WITH CYCLOPS' ROLE"

And how many times has Kinberg said he was proud of Cyclops' role.

They actually think what they did was okay.