New Interview - Kinberg and Penn Speak

[Retroman]

But he won't even have a chance to showcase that recknlessness and irresponsible behavior!

He's gonna miss a Danger Room session because he's crying in his room hearing voices, and he's gonna get blown to smithereens by his psycho ***** girlfriend.

We'll never get a chance to ever see that stuff. If he was around for the movie, going all bonkers cuz of the mind **** going on in his head, after watching Jean die, resurrect, and go ****ing bananas, then yea, I could see it.

But he's got what, 2 ****ing scenes in the whole movie? How can you possibly show that this guy has become a reckless mess in 2 scenes?

I know it is too short.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

He was available for 8/9 weeks.
From what can be seen in the behind-the-scenes video we got not so long ago, Famke was standing on her own even though Magneto and Pyro are in the shot with her.So hypothetically Cyclops could have been in the final battle.

Except that he's not......

As has been proven by every single ****ing review that's come out stating he dies off camera and doesn't come back.

If Marsden was in the final battle in any way shape or form, don't you think he'd actually appear in the movie in the final battle?

I know he was available for so long, which doesn't make any sense as to how his role is SO SMALL!

But his role is that small. There's no Cyclops in uniform, or in the final battle. He's killed off camera, never to be seen again, and only to be mentioned maybe twice more.

 

[The Batman]

Yet... these 2 writers didn't make it so Cyclops' death affected everyone around him...

Do you mean to tell me that Fox's parameters were:

"We don't want Cyclops in this movie because James Marsden went to Superman Returns. So we're going to RESIGN THE ACTOR, and PAY HIM TO BE IN OUR MOVIE, but you have to kill him off early in the film. And on top of killing him off, he must be mentioned as little as possible for the remainder of the film."???

Oh, by the way, Fox is going to market the **** out of Cyclops, despite the fact that they don't want him anywhere near their franchise.

I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

Parameters = "James Marsden is going to be shooting Superman Returns for a good percentage of our scheduled shoot, so you need to find some way to work around that schedule and fit him into the story."

Kinberg & Penn: "We have a limited time to work with Marsden? Let's kill him off, that won't take much time at all"

^ That's more like it.

Why would Fox allow Ratner to shoot a MORE EXPENSIVE 3rd act, but not allow him to utilize a bit more of the Cyclops character? I doubt that Kinberg and Penn or Ratner ever fought for more Cyclops. They wrote his role a small role, because they had limited time to work with the actor, and it was the easiest thing to come up with. They had no intentions of going back, and doing a bit of creative work to work the character into the climax of the film. They were perfectly content with his role... AS THEY'VE STATED MANY TIMES ON THE XVERSE!!!

Penn said pretty directly "Considering the parameters we had, I am VERY HAPPY WITH CYCLOPS' ROLE"

And how many times has Kinberg said he was proud of Cyclops' role.

They actually think what they did was okay.

People here dont wanna pin any blame on the writers because they're such diehard X-Fans supposedly.

 

[Retroman]

Except that he's not......

As has been proven by every single ****ing review that's come out stating he dies off camera and doesn't come back.

If Marsden was in the final battle in any way shape or form, don't you think he'd actually appear in the movie in the final battle?

I know he was available for so long, which doesn't make any sense as to how his role is SO SMALL!

But his role is that small. There's no Cyclops in uniform, or in the final battle. He's killed off camera, never to be seen again, and only to be mentioned maybe twice more.

I know this. I meant to write that Marsden could have been on set when they shot the final battle scenes.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Unfortunatley, there's no hope left of some alternate version that's keeping his return secret until the theatrical release.

I got caught up in the hype about it for awhile. And to be honest, there's a reason for the hype. There's some very persuasive evidence:

-Marsden's mention of wearing the uniform; "Oh yes, THIS discomfort"
-The Cameron Bright photo
-The marketing of him in his uniform (fresh with updated visor)
-8-9 week availability off of Superman Returns, plus other hiatuses where he could have been available, yet only about 2 scenes in the movie

But unfortunatley, at some point, you just have to accept reality.

The reality is, there's no Cyclops beyond Alkali Lake. Every single review has had Cyclops not making it past the lake. And we're beyond press screenings now, we're getting reviews from actual premieres. Real movie theatres are listing the film at an hour 44, which is what all the press reviews have the film at.

The writers screwed Cyclops, and the Phoenix Saga. And if the scenes of him mourning for Jean in his room, and his interaction with Logan before he leaves, and any possible flashbacks Jean might have of him, are reshoots, that were added late into the game, then like I said, this Cyclops situation is a lot worse than we ever could have imagined. It means they originally thought even LESS of his role.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I know this. I meant to write that Marsden could have been on set when they shot the final battle scenes.

Yea, unfortunatley, none of it means anything if he's not in the movie in the final battle.

And that's the real shame, if Marsden WAS around on set, available from Superman Returns, during the final battle, and STILL wasn't given a part in it.

 

[Retroman]

Yea, unfortunatley, none of it means anything if he's not in the movie in the final battle.

And that's the real shame, if Marsden WAS around on set, available from Superman Returns, during the final battle, and STILL wasn't given a part in it.

Very true

 

[CapBeerCino]

Yet... these 2 writers didn't make it so Cyclops' death affected everyone around him...

Do you mean to tell me that Fox's parameters were:

"We don't want Cyclops in this movie because James Marsden went to Superman Returns. So we're going to RESIGN THE ACTOR, and PAY HIM TO BE IN OUR MOVIE, but you have to kill him off early in the film. And on top of killing him off, he must be mentioned as little as possible for the remainder of the film."???

Oh, by the way, Fox is going to market the **** out of Cyclops, despite the fact that they don't want him anywhere near their franchise.

I'm sorry, I don't buy it.

Parameters = "James Marsden is going to be shooting Superman Returns for a good percentage of our scheduled shoot, so you need to find some way to work around that schedule and fit him into the story."

Kinberg & Penn: "We have a limited time to work with Marsden? Let's kill him off, that won't take much time at all"

^ That's more like it.

Why would Fox allow Ratner to shoot a MORE EXPENSIVE 3rd act, but not allow him to utilize a bit more of the Cyclops character? I doubt that Kinberg and Penn or Ratner ever fought for more Cyclops. They wrote his role a small role, because they had limited time to work with the actor, and it was the easiest thing to come up with. They had no intentions of going back, and doing a bit of creative work to work the character into the climax of the film. They were perfectly content with his role... AS THEY'VE STATED MANY TIMES ON THE XVERSE!!!

Penn said pretty directly "Considering the parameters we had, I am VERY HAPPY WITH CYCLOPS' ROLE"

And how many times has Kinberg said he was proud of Cyclops' role.

They actually think what they did was okay.

Parameter: Cyclops die. Fans whine - Fox are sending SK and ZP to the x-verse and taking a few shots of Jimmy in uniforms for their adds.
I can see that happen.

 

[Chris M]

Even so based on what did they say Cyclops have surprises? And leaving the day the novels are out? Fishy.

Yes very good point!

It seems obvious now that they came online to attempt to misdirect us from the facts that had been leaked. Suprises?? What, that he not only dies, but he dies a whiny loser.

Contrast X3's Scott vs the Scott at the end of the Phoenix Saga:

"I don't know where I'll go, what I'll do..only one thing is certain- that no matter what happens - I won't crawl back into my shell again. With Jean I became fully alive, a whole human being. I intend to stay that way. I owe her that much at least."

Far cry from:

"Not everyone heals as fast as you Logan."

 

[Feyd Rautha]

Cyclops was a star in the Phoenix Saga. Great lines, great writing, great love story.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Far cry from:

"Not everyone heals as fast as you Logan."

Poetry!

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

Marsden was punished for 'sleeping with the enemy' (and I mean that figuratively not literally) Some people don't want to believe a major corporation could be that petty but this is the same company that needlessly had security escort Singer off the lot. Their rushed production schedule wasn't simply to secure a Memorial Day Weekend opening because there are plenty of other 'big' weekends that could've worked just as well so they could've given this film the production time it deserved. They chose that particular release date to beat SR to the screen. That's fairly obvious (or it ought to be by now)

Kinberg and Penn only appeared on the Xverse board to do damage control. Instead of pretending that Fox wasn't even aware they were on that board (another lie) they should've given themselves an option to blame the studio. Now it just looks like it was their decision to lie and mislead the fans. Dumbass move.

Fox started heavily marketing Cyclops only AFTER the most recent fan response. Willfully deceiving the fans was just delaying the inevitable and ultimately pointless. The truly sad thing is that they knew what the fans wanted back in June of last year which was plenty of time to 'fix' it, but their anger at Marsden for daring to work with the enemy, prevented them from doing what was good for the movie.

They thought the elevation of Halle's Storm to star of the film would somehow appease/distract/overshadow Cyclops getting shafted. According to most of the reviews she's still miscast in the role. So apparently more screentime wasn't the fabulous idea they thought it would be. Having Storm inexplicably undergo a completely personality change in X3 isn't evolution of the character it's catering to an actress who relies on her Oscar status way too much. You don't see Anna Paquin using the same tactic. I happen to like Halle .... in the right role (Losing Isiah for example)

Fox may have been the puppet masters of this production but Ratner, Kinberg and Penn allowed them to pull the strings.

 

[Neptune]

Marsden was punished for 'sleeping with the enemy' (and I mean that figuratively not literally) Some people don't want to believe a major corporation could be that petty but this is the same company that needlessly had security escort Singer off the lot. Their rushed production schedule wasn't simply to secure a Memorial Day Weekend opening because there are plenty of other 'big' weekends that could've worked just as well so they could've given this film the production time it deserved. They chose that particular release date to beat SR to the screen. That's fairly obvious (or it ought to be by now)

Kinberg and Penn only appeared on the Xverse board to do damage control. Instead of pretending that Fox wasn't even aware they were on that board (another lie) they should've given themselves an option to blame the studio. Now it just looks like it was their decision to lie and mislead the fans. Dumbass move.

Fox started heavily marketing Cyclops only AFTER the most recent fan response. Willfully deceiving the fans was just delaying the inevitable and ultimately pointless. The truly sad thing is that they knew what the fans wanted back in June of last year which was plenty of time to 'fix' it, but their anger at Marsden for daring to work with the enemy, prevented them from doing what was good for the movie.

They thought the elevation of Halle's Storm to star of the film would somehow appease/distract/overshadow Cyclops getting shafted. According to most of the reviews she's still miscast in the role. So apparently more screentime wasn't the fabulous idea they thought it would be. Having Storm inexplicably undergo a completely personality change in X3 isn't evolution of the character it's catering to an actress who relies on her Oscar status way too much. You don't see Anna Paquin using the same tactic. I happen to like Halle .... in the right role (Losing Isiah for example)

Fox may have been the puppet masters of this production but Ratner, Kinberg and Penn allowed them to pull the strings.

I disagree about Halle. She wanted Storm to be the strong goddess that she is in the comics. I haven't seen the movie yet so i don't know if they succeeded but that to me shows that she wants to do the character justice. She wasn't too happy with Storm in the first 2 movies and i can't blame her. Storm had a better role in X-2 but in X-1 she was really bland. Plus she got her ass kicked by Toad for godsakes. TOAD!

 

[Vindication]

I disagree about Halle. She wanted Storm to be the strong goddess that she is in the comics. I haven't seen the movie yet so i don't know if they succeeded but that to me shows that she wants to do the character justice. She wasn't too happy with Storm in the first 2 movies and i can't blame her. Storm had a better role in X-2 but in X-1 she was really bland. Plus she got her ass kicked by Toad for godsakes. TOAD!

Anyone buying "Halle wanted a stronger Storm" bullcrap deserves to be snowed by Kinberg and Penn. That was nothing but a demand to have more screentime which she did according to Brett Ratner who said he wanted her in all the scenes of the film. BIG MISTAKE.

The problem with X3's Storm, like mentioned above there was no evolution for this character to be as skilled as she is when in both films she's very mousey and weak. All the women were in the films but Storm the most. We also have her shouting throughout most of X3, I'm assuming it's her way of trying to 'steal scenes'.

Ratner's decision to give Halle more screentime only excuses Bryan Singer's reason to keep her as a background character. I have to say I always thought Halle would shine if given the platform to exhibit the role but after seeing this I say less is more. This is what made her Storm work in X2 because while she was given some things to do it wasn't oversaturation as we see in this film.

 

[Hugh'sMrs]

In a video interview Halle said she thinks Storm was worse in X2 than she was in X1.

I don't agree it was about fighting for the character. I stand by what I've said that portraying Storm so radically different isn't an evolution of the character it's about making Halle the star of the film.

I would've prefered if she'd stuck to her threat to do Catwoman 2 instead of X3.

I'm not happy that Jackman has stolen Marsden's screentime either, but I blame that more on Fox's opinion that Wolverine is more popular than Cyclops than I do on diva behavior by Hugh.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I knew all along that the writers were misleading us, to me, it was obvious from the start, especially when Kinberg started to refuse to answer any more questions on Cyclops, after the only response he had given to previous questions was " Me, Zak and James are very proud of his performance and you will be too." When he said he would have shaved 35mins off of Batman Begins when asked about running times as well just sealed it that he was a joke to me.

 

[CapBeerCino]

Sorry I had to-

The script is written by Simon Kinberg and Zak Penn, although word has it that an uncredited team of monkeys put in some time on a few drafts. I'm not saying the screenplay is poor, but there's more character development and better dialogue inside every Bazooka Joe bubble gum wrapper.

http://azstarnet.com/caliente/130623

 

[CapBeerCino]

Also-

Do the X-Men give up their powers and conform to be like everyone else? Or do they keep them and maintain the qualities that made them unique and, frequently, ostracized?

It's all very high concept, and would seem applicable to anyone living on the fringe, but Ratner and screenwriters Zak Penn (who co-wrote part two) and Simon Kinberg ("Mr. & Mrs. Smith") merely skim the surface. Protestors stand outside government buildings where these new shots are being administered, holding signs and chanting, "We don't need a cure!" Halle Berry's Storm, who can manipulate weather, says she doesn't want a cure. (And why should she? Her powers are among the coolest of all.)

http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8946787&posted=1#post8946787

 

[WorthyStevens]

Post-movie Q&A thread for Simon and Zak is opened at the Xverse...

http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?p=35856#post35856

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I saw that, Worthy.

 

[X-Maniac]

Anyone buying "Halle wanted a stronger Storm" bullcrap deserves to be snowed by Kinberg and Penn. That was nothing but a demand to have more screentime which she did according to Brett Ratner who said he wanted her in all the scenes of the film. BIG MISTAKE.

The problem with X3's Storm, like mentioned above there was no evolution for this character to be as skilled as she is when in both films she's very mousey and weak. All the women were in the films but Storm the most. We also have her shouting throughout most of X3, I'm assuming it's her way of trying to 'steal scenes'.

Ratner's decision to give Halle more screentime only excuses Bryan Singer's reason to keep her as a background character. I have to say I always thought Halle would shine if given the platform to exhibit the role but after seeing this I say less is more. This is what made her Storm work in X2 because while she was given some things to do it wasn't oversaturation as we see in this film.

You obviously watched a 'dream version' of the movie.

Halle doesn't shout, she doesn't even dominate. I don't want people to believe haters like you. Halle had a few 'power scenes' that were part of the story, she had a brilliant emotional eulogy scene and a stronger voice. Not much more than previously, but it just had more 'focus' to it.

 

[pt_photo_inc]

So basically because James Marsden was in Superman - Fox said they had to kill his character off.

Hmmm...

This is what should happen. Nathan Essex was on of Stryker's scientists - he made a clone of Cyclops unbeknownst to all and the real Cyclops lives.

Did anyone say Madelyne Pryor?

its actually what i have been saying from the get go... dont blame FOX, more then you blame JAMES MARSDEN! Also.... is it interesting to anyone else that James Marsden doesnt really appear in anything for superman or anything for xmen?

 

[CapBeerCino]

Post-movie Q&A thread for Simon and Zak is opened at the Xverse...

http://www.thexverse.com/community/showthread.php?p=35856#post35856

*chews...Mmmmm yummie crow*

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Lies,lies,lies!!They know they've done wrong and they're trying to blame FOX for this b******t!!Why tell us that Cyclops fans will be happy with his role?They haven't the guts to mention his name!We all know that everybody;s complaining about his death but they mention Gambit insteed!Everybody's responsible!!I can't believe Stan Lee acceppted to participate!They could have added 10 minutes to the short length of the movie with Cyke's scenes! How can you expect those money worshippers at FOX would respect Cyclops when MARVEL doesn't even care!!

are you serious???? It is FOX and MARSDEN man... let it go! And Gambit is a big issue in this movie as well and they also were respecting the NO SPOILERS rule set up by the interview, it was not thier job to discuss spoilers and blame actors directly in this interview. Seriously dude... you sound ******ed... let it go. We will miss cyclops and i dont think they had to kill him to avoid using him (if they didnt have the time) but that it the route they went cause it wouldnt make sense to have him not in the movie and not dead, where his girlfriend is going through such turmoil! So the only thing left was his death.

Be a fan, but dont be FANatical.... that is just creepy

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

are you serious???? It is FOX and MARSDEN man... let it go! And Gambit is a big issue in this movie as well and they also were respecting the NO SPOILERS rule set up by the interview, it was not thier job to discuss spoilers and blame actors directly in this interview. Seriously dude... you sound ******ed... let it go. We will miss cyclops and i dont think they had to kill him to avoid using him (if they didnt have the time) but that it the route they went cause it wouldnt make sense to have him not in the movie and not dead, where his girlfriend is going through such turmoil! So the only thing left was his death.

Be a fan, but dont be FANatical.... that is just creepy

Not to start an argument but that is complete and utter bull****!!!. Marsden signed up for Superman Returns when NOTHING was happening with X3, there was no director, script, anything for X3 just rumors, he hadnt even been contacted, so how the **** can you blame Marsden.