Superman Returns New interview with mike dougherty,now Iam worried the space journey left out?

I may be ******ed, but I can't find anything about cutting out the Krypton scene in that interview

ah, question 11, nevermind.
 
Well, I'm not happy about it. I can understand why they'd cut it, but it was one of the scenes I was looking forward to most, man. Bummer. Scuse me while I bash my head against a wall. Juggernaut byatch...:(
 
DorkyFresh said:
haha...that's funny.

that sucks they had to cut the space scenes out.....i was REALLY looking forward to seeing the remnants of Krypton along with
the dome from the original movie
.

oh well....hopefully they'll release it with the director's cut.
We will still see this!! I dont know for how long, but I dont buy that we wont see something that had such a huge effect on the old movie's... I believe that parts have been cut out, but far from all... the neccesarry is in there..
 
How the **** can they cut out Krypton in its entirely??? I can understand if they cut out huge pieces of the sequence.. but not all!! Dont tell me that we won't see the dome!!! I'll be so dissapointed!

They show the spacecraft flying through the remains of Krypton in the ****ing teaser trailer, for christ sakes! And the novilization opens up with the spacecraft right near Krypton, and superman waking up from his long sleep inside! How the **** can they not show that!!! Excuse me for the harsh language, but I aint gonna hide the fact that I think this sucks more than anything that has ever sucked before!!! Emagine that we hadn't seen this bit of information, and then sat in the theater and THAN finding out that we dont see anything from Krypton... jeez, how disapointing would that have been!
 
SpiderDaniel said:
Cut one of the scenes where Luthor has a wig instead!! Cut the scene in the mansion where he gets the money from the old lady. Now that is unecessary!

Very true and i am sure a scence like that would have been cheaper than the space ship scence.
 
(1) It seems that Superman, as a character, is criticized for being somewhat two-dimensional. Was there a conscious effort to try and add some greater dimension to the character, for example, Superman having to cope with Lois moving on with her life in his absence?

I think it's easy to write Superman off as a two dimensional character because he always seems to be a "big blue Boy Scout" who always does what's right without much personal conflict, but if you look deeper, you'll find he's a very tragic hero dealing with issues any of us can relate to. On an almost mythic tragic level, he's the only survivor of an alien race, sent here by his father to guide and inspire us. On a more personal level, he's an all-American kid who grew up on a farm, and is still trying to figure out how or if he fits in, plus trying to win the heart of a woman who only seems to love part of him. The themes of identity and finding your role in the universe are things we can all understand, so in that respect I don't think he's two dimensional at all. If anything, he can be just as conflicted as Batman, Spider-Man, or the X-Men, but in his own way.

Hey, he know much about Supes than I thought

(2) It seems that a lot of Superman fans have desperately wanted a dramatic, epic and emotional Superman film. The trailers indicate exactly that, but what were your initial dreams for a Superman film and do you feel they have been realised in the final film?

I'm happy to say that I think the film is a great mix of nostalgia, drama, romance, and action, which is pretty much what we set out to do. Superman is inherently a nostalgic character, so you have to acknowledge his history, and I think we've done that by making it another chapter in his story versus doing another origin. We've also made the love story between Lois and Superman the main thrust of the film, which provided the foundation for all of the emotion and action, especially when Lois and Lex cross paths. It's interesting, because with X-Men, we found ourselves juggling a lot of different characters and storylines, but with Superman, the juggling act was more thematic. You have to carefully balance the romance with the action, and the contemporary tastes with the right amount of nostalgia. It's very tricky, but all the ingredients are in there.

This movie is movie of my dream! :supes:

(3) Did you use many previous comics and graphic novels as inspiration and if so, which?

There were a few laying around the office that we'd flip through for inspiration. Anything by Alex Ross for starters. He just has a way of capturing the visual essence of Superman, or any other superhero for that matter, that makes them seem REAL.

The other work that really touched us was Superman for All Seasons by Jeph Loeb and Tim Sale. It did such an amazing job at making the character human. I remember opening the book and the first images you saw weren't typical stuff like Superman fighting off some giant robot or massive evil villain - they were his baby photos, just images of Clark Kent growing up over the years. Of course all the Superman action is important, but it's pointless and hollow if you don't capture the heart of the character, and that book really nailed it.

Well, I hope he will read enough Supes comics, when he makes SR2 script!

(4) What are your writing methods? Do you outline first? Do you go straight into a draft?

We start working very closely by crafting a detailed treatment, and then we'll split that up and go off on our own to flesh various scenes into the screenplay. It becomes this process of emailing scenes back and forth, editing each other, and compiling everything into one document. Some writing partners will work on each and every line together, but we found that didn't really work for us. Splitting sections up helps the process move faster, and also gives us more objectivity since we're constantly editing each other's scenes until we have something we're both happy with. It can be a fun surprise to see what Dan adds or changes to my stuff, and if either of us tries to change each other drastically, we'll always talk about it.

Those words would not be perfect to cutting Space travel scene in SR :(

(6) You've added new mythology to the Superman universe with Lois being a mum in a new relationship after Superman returns from exile. How hard was it to reign yourself in and not add too much and go too wild with one of the most popular and powerful superheroes?

Giving Lois a kid wasn't a casual decision. It wasn't like we were trying to think of things to change just for the sake of shaking things up. If anything, we were well aware of how antsy the fans get when the comic book canon is altered, so everything was done very carefully. We made sure that everything felt like it was drawn from people's collective memory of Superman - the Kent farm, the characters, the Daily Planet, the romance with Lois, etc.

At the same time, we didn't want to just tell the origin again. The Donner film and Smallville have already done it really well, so a third version just felt unnecessary. The only option that really left us was to tell a new story that pushed things further - a story about a hero returning to his former life, only to find out how much things have changed. It's almost a bit of Rip Van Winkle tale, and when you craft a story like that, one of the key themes you have to address is how people move on with their lives, which is why giving Lois a child becomes a fundamental part of the story.

I think he is right with SR as sequel to Donner's films. And I have no worries about Lois as a mom.

(8) When writing the film and perhaps laying ground work for possible sequels is there any mention of other characters from Superman lore hidden in the film for the eagle-eyed or eared viewer to look out for?

When we first started brainstorming, I really wanted to have another Kryptonian for Superman to go toe-to-toe with, but Bryan wisely said that it might be too much for this outing. It was going to be hard enough to reintroduce audiences to the current roster of characters, including the main villain, Lex Luthor, so throwing in yet another bad guy would've been overkill. With that in mind, I think there's a natural progression the film series would have to take. After all, you can't have Superman going up against just Lex for three films, or saving people from natural disasters or crashing airplanes over and over again. One of Superman's biggest issues is the fact that he's supposedly the last of his race - but what if he wasn't? I'm not talking about three Kryptonians busting out of the Phantom Zone looking to start a fight, but if Kryptonians were such an advanced civilization, then space travel would've been easy for them, so I don't see why there couldn't be other survivors out there.

Now I am happy with Lex as the only one villian in SR, especially after seeing trailers. But Singer, it doesn't mean that you will not use supervillian (Brainiac) in sequel, does it?

(9) Was there anything the actors/actresses brought to their roles that you didn't expect or predict when writing the script?

It was always fun to see how the actors took what was in the script and just elevated it. They added their own special flourishes, and Sam Huntington as Jimmy Olsen is probably a great example. I never imagined Jimmy could be so "alive," but Sam brought such an amazing energy to the character. I remember shooting scenes with him and it sometimes it was near impossible not to laugh. All the actors did that. Brandon was equally heroic as Superman and vulnerable as Clark; Kate brought a level of maturity and Lois that I never realized was in the script; and Kevin added a layer of cynicism and sadism to Lex that makes him distinctive from Gene Hackman's portrayal. .

I had no doubts in Spacey, I have not them and I will not have them...

(10) Apart from revenge on Superman for his jail time, can you tell us anything more about Luthor's motives in this film?

On the surface, Lex is just the ultimate capitalist, and in his mind, the ends totally justify the means. His plans might seem outlandish and far-fetched, but I think there's a vendetta beneath the megalomania that is really fascinating. In our film, he's exploiting the Man of Steel's technology, something Jor-El left for his son, and corrupting it to change the face of Superman's adoptive world. He's making a point by adding insult to injury..

Superman Returns: Episode III - Revenge of Luthor :D

(11) Will the audience learn what Superman was doing during his absence?

Yes, but it's not shown, at least not in this version. It's in the screenplay, and it was shot, but a lot of tough decisions are made in the editing process. With any luck, it'll end up on a DVD someday.

NOOOOOO!!!! :mad:

How they could do that???? :(

(12) How relevant do you think a quintessentially American icon like Superman can be in a post 9/11 world?

I think he's more relevant than ever. If anything, he's needed more than ever. What's interesting is that Superman has always been the most popular during times when the world was facing its biggest challenges, especially the Great Depression and World War II. Even Superman: The Movie was a film that came out of the post-Vietnam era, so I think he always seems to return when we need him the most.

The world will always need a superhero :up:
 
wow...the things you miss out on when you get sleep.

It's just a scene where we see the ship go through some wreckage...I would be willing to sit down and watch the Superman returns film uncut in its supposed 2:55 running time, but not everybody is like me. I think that the scene isn't "integral" for me to understand that Superman is coming back from an extended leave of absense. I'm sure that they'll touch on the subject in the dialogue.

I just think that the scene, and maybe others, is something to look forward to when the DVD comes out. :up:
 
Personally I dont think its needed. It would have been cool to see but cutting this out would get the Movie started RIGHT AWAY & we throughout the Movie learn why he left & where he went. Sounds good to me. But I hope to see this Sequence on the DVD
 
Emerald Knight said:
wow...the things you miss out on when you get sleep.

It's just a scene where we see the ship go through some wreckage...I would be willing to sit down and watch the Superman returns film uncut in its supposed 2:55 running time, but not everybody is like me. I think that the scene isn't "integral" for me to understand that Superman is coming back from an extended leave of absense. I'm sure that they'll touch on the subject in the dialogue.

I just think that the scene, and maybe others, is something to look forward to when the DVD comes out. :up:
I agree...well said :up:
 
dabilee01 said:
interesting. the supermancinema site has another interview with dan harris, and he goes to say that we will see this scene.

http://www.supermancinema.co.uk/daily_planet/new_film/sr-promotion/danharris-interview.asp

"(11) Will the audience learn what Superman was doing during his abscence?

Yes, it's a major point of Superman's emotional journey in the film."

guess we'll find out at 10pm on june 27th!

LOL :D

What is happened with this world???

One says we wont and another says we will :D

So we should wait for Singer's answer, which probably will be "We didn't shoot this scene" :D

LOL

Ok, I hope they will show it, because it is one of the most important parts in film. Also it looks like something new for superhero movies.
 
DorkyFresh said:
well dang....then who's mike dougherty?

He is 1st screenwriter. They both wrote X2 and other movies. The same with SR.
 
damn...lol, so we have 2 of the most important people on the project saying different things...

...i hope dan's right though.
 
No, they're NOT saying two different things, because as I've been saying, you can STILL FIND OUT WHY HE LEFT without actually needing that first scene. Removing that first scene doesn't do anything to Superman's feelings and motivations except deny you from seeing him looking at some space rocks.

That's what Harris means when he says what he says. It's a major part of his emotional journey, and it'll be discussed--and you don't NEED that opening scene for any of that to happen.
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
No, they're NOT saying two different things, because as I've been saying, you can STILL FIND OUT WHY HE LEFT without actually needing that first scene. Removing that first scene doesn't do anything to Superman's feelings and motivations except deny you from seeing him looking at some space rocks.

That's what Harris means when he says what he says. It's a major part of his emotional journey, and it'll be discussed--and you don't NEED that opening scene for any of that to happen.

People need to see where Supes was, not only just hear.
 
Fatboy Roberts said:
No, they're NOT saying two different things, because as I've been saying, you can STILL FIND OUT WHY HE LEFT without actually needing that first scene. Removing that first scene doesn't do anything to Superman's feelings and motivations except deny you from seeing him looking at some space rocks.

That's what Harris means when he says what he says. It's a major part of his emotional journey, and it'll be discussed--and you don't NEED that opening scene for any of that to happen.

oh okay...i see, Harris said we'll LEARN where he was but that doesn't mean we'll actually SEE what happened...

...sux though, i still wanted to see that scene. oh well.
 
Isnt this film going to be in I-max theaters as well and isnt there a time limit on how long an I-max movie can run or something? Please tell me if I'm wrong I remember reading it somewhere and thought maybe thats why the movie has had to have cuts.

Maybe a DVD release like the independance day one will be released where you can choose to watch the theatrical cut or the full extended version.
 
Cinemaman said:
People need to see where Supes was, not only just hear.

Only if their cognitive thinking is such that playing "connect the dots" in an activity book is a taxing prospect.

Seriously, no, they don't NEED to see him flying around Krypton. Again, I'd have liked to see it. I bet it was shot nicely, and the music choice was fitting. And I'm sure I'll like it when I check it out on the DVD. But as SpiderDan made very, very clear in his attempts to explain his outrage--you can get the feeling this movie wants you to get WITHOUT ACTUALLY SHOWING YOU that Supes flew there in his weird Kooshball spaceship. Hell, they managed to pull that off in a SMALLVILLE episode. You're telling me Singer/Dougherty/Harris can't pull the same thing off without a 5 minute sequence of Superman looking at space rocks?

Thats' actually a worse indictment of the filmmakers than any of the "haters" you guys rail on constantly.
 

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