New Joe Fridays: Week 46

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http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays46.html

 

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[Zaptoitnow]

It's gotta be a flashback WWII story. Bucky's in his costume, Wolverine is in one of his older disguises, and The architecture in the back is outdated.

 

[PhotoJones]

For whatever reason I am a huge fan of Wolverine stories set during WWII. I've always found them to be really great reads. Anyone remember the Travis Charest issue of X-Men/WildCATS?

Oh yeah, and Ed McGuinness rocks my pants.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

It's gotta be a flashback WWII story. Bucky's in his costume, Wolverine is in one of his older disguises, and The architecture in the back is outdated.

Nice work, detective.

 

[BrianWilly]

Yes PLEASE KILL THEM.

Wow, I'm homicidal lately.​

 

[SpideyInATree]

Interesting week this week. I liked that one question where a guy asked when Quesada was retiring, heh. But the best part to me was about Amazing Spider-Man and who the next creative team is going to be. Steve Wacker gave a hint and said "My initials".

So I'm hoping that he means the S being Slott and the W being whoever because all I really want is Slott writing Amazing Spider-Man. And then every Spider-Man fan can happily get along with each other again instead of killing each other...figuratively speaking, of course.

 

[Darthphere]

Hulk kill Sally and knock some sense into Urich.

 

[Kitsune]

Hulk kill Sally and knock some sense into Urich.

Hulk smash Puny Youtube watching bimbo.

 

[Shang-Chi]

Slott writing Amazing Spider-Man would be fantastic.

 

[Watchman]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I have a question that has driven me bug-nutty for a year now. Whenever a question is asked about the possibility of Wolverine or Spider-Man appearing in a MAX book, the answer is always the same: the "name" characters are "like crack for kids" and we don't want to put them in a story that would be inappropriate or damaging to young minds. If Jessica Jones wants to meet Spidey, Alias has to become The Pulse. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]What, then, is the deal with Marvel Zombies - page after page of "name" heroes' animated corpses with flesh rotting off of their exposed bones, tearing into people with their teeth? Did I really see a statue of Spider-Zombie holding the body of his wife with a huge gash in her neck?? I'm a grown man, and that's profoundly disturbing. What's the official explanation for this apparent contradiction? [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]JQ: Jimski, in my world, there’s a big difference between a monster movie and a movie in which characters get to say #@$% and $#!@ and we get to see lots naughty, naked bits and stuff. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Same thing in a comic book.

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So having heroes ripping each other apart is ok but swearing is bad? I hate these trend in American media where violence is ok but say any naughty words or nudity is a big no no. Reminds me when I was reading Moon Knight and he rips off someone's face and I was surprise that it wasn't Max.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Also why were some people freaked out about Spider-Man: Reign? Was it Spider-Man killing off his old villains? No, it was the panel where they briefly show Spider-Man's penis.
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[Red Mask]

Yes PLEASE KILL THEM.

Wow, I'm homicidal lately.

Do it anyway. Those two are no Woodward & Bernstein.

 

[BrianWilly]

And to that I say radioactive spider-semen.

 

[Frico]

That Cap cover is cool

 

[iloveclones]

Interesting week this week. I liked that one question where a guy asked when Quesada was retiring, heh. But the best part to me was about Amazing Spider-Man and who the next creative team is going to be. Steve Wacker gave a hint and said "My initials".

So I'm hoping that he means the S being Slott and the W being whoever because all I really want is Slott writing Amazing Spider-Man. And then every Spider-Man fan can happily get along with each other again instead of killing each other...figuratively speaking, of course.

Wieringo? Always a good spidey choice.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I was thinking Wieringo as well. But I thought the Jimenez was going to be doing the art on Amazing after JMS leaves?

 

[Dread]

Another short Joe Q's, but I wonder if he is so busy that these can't get more relavent, why not hold off on them until he has more time and tidbits to share? Quality over Quantity?

For the record, there have been enough "Cap & Wolverine stories from the 40's" and any more, just to obligitarialy aid in Brubaker's retcons (Watch, Bucky will suddenly be a trained assassin/brutal fighter here, not a gooby sidekick, which may be more interesting, but still jarring), seems a bit much. But, I'm in the minority, so enjoy. Marvel has good stuff for everyone, even me.

As usual, the average amount of Q-isms to laugh at or cringe at, while people complain about my bashing.

Now with the option to click past my ranting about the company I endlessly buy comics from, and even enjoy a bunch!

Spoiler

That said, MJ’s death scene is a real tearjerker, I wish we could do that in the comics.

I know it is a pun, but I at least admire Joe's honesty here. He'd sell his pinkie tomorrow if he could figure out a way to get Peter single again without divorce or death, and without attaching silly "emotions" to it that would hinder Peter's ability to become freewheeling, single, and dating endlessly. I suggest....mindwipes.

Q: shaolin 04-19-2007 12:13 AM

Hey Joe, I noticed that newuniversal hasn't been solicited for June and July, plus that Salvador Larroca is going to be penciling Uncanny X-Men starting in June. So is there more issues past #6 and if so who will be the new artist.

JQ: shaolin, there will be more issues, but the book is going on a small hiatus so that we can bank up some issues for the next story arc. So rest easy, there’s a lot more to be revealed within the newuniversal Universe and Warren has many more stories to tell.

So, "late" is called a haitus now? It would show more honesty to admit it before the solicts came in and some fan has to to a doubletake and go, "hey, waitaminute". Because then it looks like getting caught. Just simple things that would get Joe on the road to not being bashed endlessly.

Although in fairness, NEWUNIVERSAL is decent but losing my interest. I won't miss it for 2 months at all.

Q: Cap_America 04-21-2007 11:41 PM

When are you retiring?

JQ: Beats me, Cap_America, I’m sure not soon enough for our competition [laughs]…

Don't worry, DC can do enough damage to itself sometimes.

Q: Cyphon 04-23-2007 11:06 AM

Not to belabor the point, but I was a little confused by your response to the 616 question.


“I think the term really came into vogue when the Ultimate Universe came into prominence, but in my world, the language and distinctions are simple, there is the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe. Anything other than that reeks of all that DC Earth 1, Earth 2, Earth Prime stuff which I’ve never really taken to, but then again, I got into DC when they got rid of all that stuff so it was from and for a different era than my own.”

Doesn't Marvel have a countless number of alternate universes and timelines (and in Exiles, a title dedicated to celebrating that fact!)? Certainly more than just the Marvel and Ultimate U's. Do you consider those to be in a separate category? If not, how does that jive with your statement above?

Not being critical, I'm just confused and hoping you could clarify!

JQ: Hey, Cyphon, let me try to clear it up as much as I can. To me the difference is that DC made all of their alternate Earths and realities way too important to their actual main universe continuity and the effects they had within it. Those alternate earths were created as a band-aid to explain away continuity glitches within the DCU.

Wait, what!?!? There were two Flashes, what do we do?

It was also used when they acquired new properties such as Captain Marvel and family and the Charlton characters. Rather than install them directly into the DCU, they created different Earths for them to live in.

Also, many years ago, even DC editorial couldn’t keep the Earths straight and you saw some big mistakes in the form of intermingling between characters that weren’t supposed to be intermingling. Those multiple Earths became such a problem that they had to have a Crisis in order to clean it all up. We don’t have that problem, hence I don’t think the moniker 616 is appropriate. Besides, at Marvel we don’t have a Crisis [laughs]

Stop me now, I’m on a roll!

Sometimes Joe turns some minor little thing into some "quest to rid the world of some outdated thing" schtick that he has for doing line-wide things like negating the X-Men's status quo back to the 60's, when their book was cancelled. Joe, even some of your writers, like Dan Slott, use the term 616. Let it go.

Joe completely ignored this guy's statement. Cyphon was just trying to get Joe to cop to the fact that Marvel has plenty of alternate universes, and that a book, EXILES, actually counts on that. 616 is merely a handy term for keeping it seperate.

Joe calls it Marvel Universe. Everyone else calls it 616. It is shorter, faster to type, and clearly designates it from Ultimate or any other alternate reality. But under Marvel Universe, does that include Marvel Zombies? That is an alternate reality spun off an alternate reality (Ultimate). How about AGE OF APOCALYPSE? Or DAYS OF FUTURE PAST, or the alternate futures where Cable or Racheal Summers came from? Even the handbooks break up alternate worlds with some number to keep thing tidy. One could say that Marvel doesn't rely on them as much as DC did, but in a way that is baloney with books like MZ and Ultimate and especially during the 90's when the X-Men and Fantastic Four were littered with characters who came from alternate realities.

Let the fans keep their term. Really, it's not as big a problem as beliving all of Spider-Man's problems could be solved by getting rid of MJ. Because once that happened, on YOUR WATCH, and what happened? All the fans kept asking, "when is MJ coming back?" And as soon as a movie happened, you and JMS pulled a 180 faster than you rush out another Avengers title. So give it, and this, a rest.

This comment on alternate realities sort of reminds me about two differences between DC and Marvel. DC will eventually see a structual problem, and work to fix it; the problem is the end result may cause almost as much issues as the problem itself, and require subsequent fixing and fixing, until it becomes a job unto itself (DC's plan to tackle late comics, for instance, has become a bigger problem than late comics themselves; they actually admitted the problem, but made it worse). Marvel denies all problems, at least until they are about a decade or two behind and several EIC's ago, when we can chuckle about it. On the plus side, this allows Marvel to avoid some of DC's recent blunders making worse mistakes to fix problems. On the downer, it gives them unhealthy "groupthink" and the appearence of either ineptly ignoring a problem or being insensitive and not caring.

: DRDOOM25 04-26-2007 03:21 PM

The good doctor is coming back big time in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surferand I want to know if there are any plans to have a big crossover mega event surrounding him...the X-Men always get one, Civil War, Annihilation, but when will we have "Doom's Day?"

JQ: DRDOOM, if I were you, I’d make it a point to be reading Mighty Avengers if I wasn’t, ‘nuff said!

Dr. Doom in MIGHTY AVENGERS? Oh, dear lord no. I don't want to see Doom with Bendispeak. I don't want him being pwned by a woman. I don't want him being involved in a story that, told directly would be 2 issues, but told with psuedo-MEMENTO styling (THE most ripped off movie in the last decade), it lasts 4-6.

"Greetings, cretins."
"Dr. Doom!"
"Yes, Dr. Doom."
"I just said that."
"Said what?"
"That!"
"That?"
"Yes!"
"Yes."
"Bendis is paid about $10 a word to type like this."
"Like what?"
"This."
"You mean reusing the last 3-4 words of the previous line in his next?"
"In his next?"
"Yes."
"And then using stopgap single words."
"Yeah."
"That make you wonder why you are reading a comic when you could be outside and listening to actual real dialogue that is just as pointless but doesn't cost your $3 and a backboard."
"$3 and a bacboard?"
"Oh, sure, most shops sell them for a dime or even a quarter, but comic companies don't give a crap about that when factoring price."
"[Insert obligatory exclaimation that is a combination of Yiddish and Spanglish that would be amusing to a 4 year old with bad taste but to the common reader sounds like an old man's desperate attempt to sound cool]!!!"

Why can't McDuffie use Doom first in FF? Where the Four has a new line-up and thus dramatic weight? Perhaps Bendis will defy expectations and prove he has some originality left to break his predictable, bipolar writing that fluxes from brilliant to puke without warning, sometimes within the same arc. But that is about as likely as me making short posts.

Q: Jimski 04-27-2007 12:09 PM

I have a question that has driven me bug-nutty for a year now. Whenever a question is asked about the possibility of Wolverine or Spider-Man appearing in a MAX book, the answer is always the same: the "name" characters are "like crack for kids" and we don't want to put them in a story that would be inappropriate or damaging to young minds. If Jessica Jones wants to meet Spidey, Alias has to become The Pulse.

What, then, is the deal with Marvel Zombies - page after page of "name" heroes' animated corpses with flesh rotting off of their exposed bones, tearing into people with their teeth? Did I really see a statue of Spider-Zombie holding the body of his wife with a huge gash in her neck?? I'm a grown man, and that's profoundly disturbing. What's the official explanation for this apparent contradiction?

JQ: Jimski, in my world, there’s a big difference between a monster movie and a movie in which characters get to say #@$% and $#!@ and we get to see lots naughty, naked bits and stuff.

Same thing in a comic book.

So having heroes ripping each other apart is ok but swearing is bad? I hate these trend in American media where violence is ok but say any naughty words or nudity is a big no no. Reminds me when I was reading Moon Knight and he rips off someone's face and I was surprise that it wasn't Max.


Also why were some people freaked out about Spider-Man: Reign? Was it Spider-Man killing off his old villains? No, it was the panel where they briefly show Spider-Man's penis.

In total agreement, Watchman. Much like it is alright to show Wolverine hacking people to bits, but heaven forbit he smokes. To be fair, it's not just Marvel. It is Hollywood and our entire media. We are so uptight about nudity and sex that we go overboard with it while violence is seen as wholesome or more tolerable. A movie can be PG-13 and thus kids can see it alone even with decapitations and impalments, but one bare nipple from a woman and all of a sudden it is R. Is it any wonder we are getting new generations of kids who find it easier to be violent than to be compassionate? It does almost seem like a world gone mad, but the world's been mad for quite some time.

Hope you could put up with my rants. If not, Darthphere will knock me down a peg.

 

[PhotoJones]

For the record, there have been enough "Cap & Wolverine stories from the 40's" and any more, just to obligitarialy aid in Brubaker's retcons (Watch, Bucky will suddenly be a trained assassin/brutal fighter here, not a gooby sidekick, which may be more interesting, but still jarring), seems a bit much. But, I'm in the minority, so enjoy. Marvel has good stuff for everyone, even me.

Like I said before, I'm a sucker for WWII Wolverine tale. And as for Brubaker's take on Bucky: did you catch the Winter Soldier one-shot? Possibly Marvel's best stand alone story in a long time. Bru writes a very good "sidekick" Bucky.

Dr. Doom in MIGHTY AVENGERS? Oh, dear lord no. I don't want to see Doom with Bendispeak. I don't want him being pwned by a woman. I don't want him being involved in a story that, told directly would be 2 issues, but told with psuedo-MEMENTO styling (THE most ripped off movie in the last decade), it lasts 4-6.

I think people are taking Mighty Avengers too seriously. I'm pretty sure it's the intention of everyone involved to be as over the top and silly as possible. It's heroes fighting monsters and naked robots. Get over yourselves.

Hope you could put up with my rants. If not, Darthphere will knock me down a peg.

Darthphere's only purpose on these boards anymore is to ***** incessantly over spilled milk.

 

[Darthphere]

It seems your only purpose is to ***** about my *****ing. It's an endless cycle.

And Dread, if you don't want me to comment on your ranting, in a public forum, then don't do it. It's that easy. That being said, I don't have a problem with this rant.

By the way, I love seeing my name posted in bold, its sexual.

 

[Not Jake]

For the record, there have been enough "Cap & Wolverine stories from the 40's" and any more, just to obligitarialy aid in Brubaker's retcons (Watch, Bucky will suddenly be a trained assassin/brutal fighter here, not a gooby sidekick, which may be more interesting, but still jarring), seems a bit much

Pretty sure that's already been instituted, one of the first few issues of Bru's relaunch had Cap describing that Bucky was trained to do the things Cap couldn't do, such as killing soldiers with a sniper rifle. I think that's what they flashbacked too. Flashbacked? Flashed back. Ha, that one's right.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, Bucky's already been retconned into the li'l assassin role.

Doom in MA sounds good. It's about time someone dusted Doom off and used him again. I would've liked to see him used in FF, since the idea of a Doom/Black Panther brain showdown sounds cool, but the Mighty Avengers are good, too.

 

[PhotoJones]

It seems your only purpose is to ***** about my *****ing. It's an endless cycle.

And Dread, if you don't want me to comment on your ranting, in a public forum, then don't do it. It's that easy. That being said, I don't have a problem with this rant.

By the way, I love seeing my name posted in bold, its sexual.

Man. Crybaby.

 

[Darthphere]

Man. Crybaby.

I saw that movie, good stuff.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That was such a cheesy movie.

 

[Darthphere]

That was such a cheesy movie.

Cheesy is good sometimes.:heart: