New Joe Q - Week 32

[Frico]

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays32.html

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[Frico]

 

[GNR]

Kolins did that first pic????Wow.

 

[Kevin]

This was a pretty good week.

 

[Dread]

Kolins did that first pic????Wow.

Kolins is a great artist.

I usually come down hard on Joe Q, but this interview wasn't all bad, definately an improvement over last week's. Of course, preview art for ETERNALS, INITIATIVE, and OMEGA FLIGHT help. Naturally, ETERNALS has been swell and the latter two are looking great. It seems Justice's costume hasn't been redesigned (so far), and that is a little bit of a shame as he just looks too "generic 90's", although to be fair that suit looks better than some of his outfits. And War Machine looks great. And hey, Ultimo!

As for OMEGA FLIGHT and it being a mini, I've stated frequently that I understand the strategy here. It is VERY HARD for ANY new title these days, especially ongoings starring characters who have been B list or lower for years, to sell well beyond 5-6 issues. And it is embarassing for Marvel to solict something as an ongoing and then having to retroactively call it a mini vs. just outright canning it, as they did with JUBILEE and to some degree NYX. I mean, IMMORTAL IRON FIST has an A-list creative team, got hype, and a B-Lister who was supposed to be "hot" and yet it's sales have been mediocre so far (it debuted past the Top 50 and has lost readers every issue; by contrast, MOON KNIGHT sells twice as well). On the OTHER hand, there could be something to the theory that a mini doesn't inspire editorial confidence and that could be a factor. But it's a rock and a hard place situation. I mean, ANT-MAN is an ongoing and it's sales have fallen outside the Top 100 before issue #5. So while I understand some fans being irked at this, I think in this case it is a little unwarrented. Support the book and maybe then it'll become an ongoing.

I DON'T like Joe Q calling the MB community "interFRET", although I am sure someone will come in and say, "hey, he gets called thousands of nasty things a day by blogger nerds", and that is true, but unforunately some of us DO have worthy criticisms, just we get drowned out by the more numerous "HEZ FATT AND DIE!!@@" variety so Marvel just sees them all as useless whiners. Not saying he's unjustified, but as a customer I dislike seeing him dismiss my fellow community and pretty much resolve to do the OPPOSITE of whatever any online criticism is. It sounds like spite. Like if we all begged for Spider-Man to NOT become a donkey, he'd do the opposite.

He also promises that "Cap doesn't die" in CW #7, which may add fuel to the fire for that "Ronin" theory. So could the delay of his own series issue.

Joe Q also claims that extra issue of ETERNALS cropped up because Neil ended up with more story as planned, not because of the editorial dept. clamouring for more CW stuff, as I theorized on Wednesday. If this is true then that's cool. I mean, some have said that part of why Morrison's ending to SEVEN SOLDIERS was underwhelming was because the original script had an extra 40-60 pages that didn't make it in. Lord knows a few pages got cut from INFINITE CRISIS that later showed up in the trades. Besides, I'm enjoying the series so I don't mind an extra issue. Romita Jr.'s done some of the best art in his career on it. Hopefully it's not forgotten in favor of his THOR, ASM and X-MEN runs.

However, there is ONE THING I take issue with:

JQ: Freespirit81, no one ever said she was getting her powers back. We’ve been trying to avoid at all cost just re-powering mutants across the board, and Jubilee is no exception.

Frankly, this is a bold faced lie, that shows that either Joe is a bit out of touch or is deluded. MANY depowered mutant characters, especially those rare B or A listers who were effected, have been repowered quickly. Iceman was repowered. Polaris was repowered. Magneto was repowered. Quicksilver was repowered. Heck, Quicksilver is a walking repowering machine, assuming his attempts don't kill said characters instead. The majority of the mutants depowered were bottom feeders or no-names, just to eliminate Mutant Town and Morrison's theory of HOMO SUPERIORS becoming the dominent gene in 80 years. DECIMATION was just a big step backward for me with the X-MEN and many of the editorial edicts for it, especially the SENTINAL ONE's, were poorly handled and even the WRITERS ignored them, so I'd rather avoid the topic.

I never saw the allure in Jubilee, but I know she has some fans somewhere. She lost me at "Wolveroonie". Unfortunately, she will probably get a better revamp than, "wears a self-mutilating armor costume on loan from 1996 and cries himself to sleep listening to emo metal" that Speedball eventually got. Granted, that is the nature of revamps I guess. Like life, decent ones are unfair. Some characters get great ones and some utterly bomb and make you go, "what were they THINKING!?" I mean, Moon Knight, Ant-Man, and the Eternals all got good ones. Ghost Rider's is more shakey.

The next NEW WARRIORS, another relaunched property, is up in June. However, with Speedball now Emoball, Firestar retired, and Nova rocking in space, who is going to be on it? Gravity woulda been a no-brainer, but he's dead and McDuffie will likely have him in FF anyway. Justice may possibly be on it depending on how INITIATIVE goes. Rage is still around. I mean I'm sure it'll have mostly newer characters, but it would be cool if we had at least one or two "older school" members, sort of like the Teen Titans always have Raven, Beast Boy, Cyborg or Starfire 'round.

Not a bad Fridays at all.

 

[PWN3R]

It file I want share you.

Wow, your English teacher fails at life.

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This is beautiful.

 

[Doc Destruction]

BAN! Whoo!

 

[Specter313]

Frankly, this is a bold faced lie, that shows that either Joe is a bit out of touch or is deluded. MANY depowered mutant characters, especially those rare B or A listers who were effected, have been repowered quickly. Iceman was repowered. Polaris was repowered. Magneto was repowered. Quicksilver was repowered. Heck, Quicksilver is a walking repowering machine, assuming his attempts don't kill said characters instead. The majority of the mutants depowered were bottom feeders or no-names, just to eliminate Mutant Town and Morrison's theory of HOMO SUPERIORS becoming the dominent gene in 80 years. DECIMATION was just a big step backward for me with the X-MEN and many of the editorial edicts for it, especially the SENTINAL ONE's, were poorly handled and even the WRITERS ignored them, so I'd rather avoid the topic.

Another thing that makes it a big lie is that Joe himself said, or at least heavlily alluded to, Jubilee getting her powers back. Here, from week 15:

Q - GSHAG: This past New Joe Fridays you answered this question pertaining to Jubilee

“JQ: Keep your eyes and ears open because Jubilee and some friends will be popping up somewhere in the near future. You'll never guess it or expect it, but it will blow you away and bring a smile to your face. This is one of my favorite upcoming projects!”​

Now that jogged my memory a little. I remembered reading somewhere (most likely in a New Joe Fridays), in context that you were answering a question that had to do with teenaged sidekicks, that you loved a pitch that had to do with teen heroes and redefining their role in the Marvel U. Does this answer above have anything to do with that, and when will we hear more about this teen hero project?


JQ: Hey, GSHAG, I’m a big fan of Jubilee so let me just say that we have big plans for her that will make her a lead player in the Marvel U. The question is how does she get her powers back?

http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays15.html

I'm so gonna see about calling him out on this one.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Definitely looking forward to Marvels 2!

 

[iloveclones]

Kolins is a great artist.

More than that, Kolins is a great comic artist. He's pretty much on top of my list if you're talking about artists for a series.

 

[Electro UK]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait.

Is that War Machine!?!?!?! What book!?! I need it!

 

[GNR]

Marvels 2 looks great.Busiek was still latched on as writer right?

 

[Darthphere]

Another thing that makes it a big lie is that Joe himself said, or at least heavlily alluded to, Jubilee getting her powers back. Here, from week 15:



http://www.newsarama.com/NewJoeFridays/NewJoeFridays15.html

I'm so gonna see about calling him out on this one.

Can I ask you a question? In your life, do yuo remember every single damn thing in your life from 3 months ago? I mean, its Jubilee, thats the equivalent of Doc asking me what time I made toast on November 5th.

 

[Darthphere]

Dread needs to pitch that Cloak and Dagger mini that will knock Joey Q's socks off allowing him to infiltrate Marvel and begin the restructuring within.

 

[hippie_hunter]

So is this Silver Surfer book an ongoing?

 

[Darthphere]

I wish. That means no.

 

[Red]

The next NEW WARRIORS, another relaunched property, is up in June. However, with Speedball now Emoball, Firestar retired, and Nova rocking in space, who is going to be on it? Gravity woulda been a no-brainer, but he's dead and McDuffie will likely have him in FF anyway. Justice may possibly be on it depending on how INITIATIVE goes. Rage is still around. I mean I'm sure it'll have mostly newer characters, but it would be cool if we had at least one or two "older school" members, sort of like the Teen Titans always have Raven, Beast Boy, Cyborg or Starfire 'round. .

I sense the New New Warriors will be made up of the heroes we saw at the start of Civil War #6.

 

[Darthphere]

Except they were called The Champions.

 

[Red]

They were? I can't recall them being named in the issue.

 

[Specter313]

Can I ask you a question? In your life, do yuo remember every single damn thing in your life from 3 months ago? I mean, its Jubilee, thats the equivalent of Doc asking me what time I made toast on November 5th.

If it's something I like and am interested in, then yeah, I'll remember it. And you'd think with as much as Joe has been spewing about how he's "very excited" about what's happening with Jubilee and how this new project is supposed to make her a "major player" in the Marvel U, he could at least keep track of what he says about her.

 

[Darthphere]

If it's something I like and am interested in, then yeah, I'll remember it. And you'd think with as much as Joe has been spewing about how he's "very excited" about what's happening with Jubilee and how this new project is supposed to make her a "major player" in the Marvel U, he could at least keep track of what he says about her.

Dude, he says he's excited about everything, even wehn he knows it sucks. The Other anyone? Really, I dont expect him to remember every single detail about every Marvel project, remember he may be an *******, but he is just a man.


EDIT: I forgot to add, its freaking Jubilee here. She hasn't been relevant since they cancelled the X-Men cartoon show.

 

[Dread]

Dread needs to pitch that Cloak and Dagger mini that will knock Joey Q's socks off allowing him to infiltrate Marvel and begin the restructuring within.

The only problem with that is, while Joe Q brought up two examples of people they hired via "cold call" submissions, it's very rare for a writer to do that. I'd have to break into indy's first and while I do have some ideas, I don't have the time or the funds right now. However, I'm only 24 so there still is hope for the future.

Plus, while I have nothing against Cloak & Dagger, I am not sure I could come up with a killer pitch for them. I feel I have talent as an ametuer writer but not with every character. Back when I used to post at "old Wizardworld" forums, some guy was literally offering $100 for a good Cable fan-fic and I declined because I didn't "get" Cable or like him enough to feel I could pen a decent Cable story. I like the premise of them lurking in the underbelly of the Marvel U.S., fighting threats and trying to help out young heroes like themselves who may have been falling by the wayside, as well as fighting drug cartels. I could see them perhaps running into Dusk, consumed by hatred for Wolverine after the murder of Hornet, and seeking to try to stop her from becoming consumed by her vengence, as Cloak knows what it feels like to be "consumed by darkness". Considering that the Marvel universe has several types of drugs including Kick, MGH, Snap, and so forth, I could see the pair continuing to battle this seedy underbelly that many heroes miss while fighting monsters in cities and finding out, as an idea I've mentioned a billion times in ANUBIS' thread, that between NY and CA, many supervillians have carved out territories amung many hero-light cities and states, so while NY and CA may be covered, these drugs float across the country and cause no end of problems. Drugs that enhance mutant powers, give people powers, even steroids, etc. I mean this may feel like a 90's rehash, but hey, so many other heroes fight crime, so if it's a niche, it's a niche. Like Cloak & Dagger should be the type who move into a neighborhood and spent a few months closing down all the crack dens, weeding out the gangs and so forth before moving on.

BUT, whether I could harness that vague pitch into a rock-solid, selling in the Top 50 story is doubtful.

Good luck on calling JQ on anything, Specter313. I imagine he'll respond just as Darth did and have some justification. "I'm only the EIC, I can't be expected to remember what I say or watch what I say for reactive consequences, while at the same time bragging about how I lead fans on with my carefully worded digs".

But, this was a mostly positive FRIDAYS here. Kolins rocks. Some of the works mentioned rocks. And I understand the OF reasoning.

 

[Frico]

Waitwaitwaitwaitwait.

Is that War Machine!?!?!?! What book!?! I need it!

It's from CW: The Initiative, and yeah War Machine looks freakin sweet.

 

[BrianWilly]

Can I ask you a question? In your life, do yuo remember every single damn thing in your life from 3 months ago? I mean, its Jubilee, thats the equivalent of Doc asking me what time I made toast on November 5th.

By that logic, anything that Quesada says could just be construed as something he might not "remember" in about three months, so long as it isn't, y'know, regarding important characters or something. Just looking at this week...if there's no Guardians of the Galaxy or Hellcat project within a couple years, should we just shrug and say, "Oop, he forgot! That's our Joe!"?

He's the EIC of a company. If he suggests that Jubilee might be getting her powers back and then says later that no one ever said that Jubilee would be getting her powers back, it's either flagrant misdirection or a flat-out lie. I mean, he said it himself. I don't remember everything I ever say, but if it wasn't ever going to happen at all in the first place, then why the heck did he even suggest it?

 

[Darthphere]

By that logic, anything that Quesada says could just be construed as something he might not "remember" in about three months, so long as it isn't, y'know, regarding important characters or something. Just looking at this week...if there's no Guardians of the Galaxy or Hellcat project within a couple years, should we just shrug and say, "Oop, he forgot! That's our Joe!"?

He's the EIC of a company. If he suggests that Jubilee might be getting her powers back and then says later that no one ever said that Jubilee would be getting her powers back, it's either flagrant misdirection or a flat-out lie. I mean, he said it himself. I don't remember everything I ever say, but if it wasn't ever going to happen at all in the first place, then why the heck did he even suggest it?

Because at Marvel, they never change storylines one month from the next.


EDIT: I forgot to add once again. Its freaking Jubilee, JUBILEE for God's sake!