Action-Adventure New Matrix Movie in the Works with Drew Goddard Writing, Directing

[Filmfreak]

Which, hey, I actually probably like more than the original movie even if it objectively isn't as good. So that's where we differ .

Whether it is a "brand" because of the sequels or not is kind of a moot point because they are a lot of things, many of them bad, but what they are not is assembly line corporate IP trash. They're idiosyncratic, personal movies about things the creators care deeply about. Resurrections in particular.

That argument could have a more solid foundation if we had already seen an attempt that feels like what you're describing. This is uncharted waters for Matrix. The only thing that we've seen where the Wachowskis weren't as active was The Animatrix and it was probably better than anything they came up after the original.

And while what you say has been true about other film series, there are also cases where taking the property from someone who has shown everything he could have and giving it to someone new made all the difference. There is not a shred of doubt in my mind that a Ridley Scott directed Blade Runner would never have been anywhere near as good as it was with someone like Villeneuve. And even if they didn't have best results for the most part I definitely think that it was a good idea for Lucas to walk away from Star Wars and for Spielberg to walk away from Indiana Jones. Also the Wachowskis are vastly overrated anyway. They are responsible for a couple of more really good projects, but probably 2/3 of their filmography is plain awful.

Hey I can very much see this being generic crappy film, I'm just saying I'm willing to give someone else a chance. Obviously if I had liked Resurrections as much as you did, or at all , it would have been a different conversation, yes.

 

[Sithborg]

No Wachowski, so sale.

I loved Resurrections, btw.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

This is the movie Resurrections was warning us about.

 

[:eek:]

My thing is what R word do you pair it with?

The Matrix Revisited
The Matrix Returns

The Matrix Rinse (and Repeat)

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

Rebooted, of course.

More imagination man!

The Matrix Rinse (and Repeat)

The Matrix Refinanced

 

[samsnee]

My thing is what R word do you pair it with?

The Matrix Revisited
The Matrix Returns

The Matrix: The R word

People will know what it means

 

[BoredGuy]

Yeah 3 out of 4 Matrixes were dogs***, and I enjoyed the hell out of Cabin in the Woods (even if the direction wasn't anything particularly special)
I'll give it a [skeptical] shot, same as I did for Resurrections

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Woha, whoa, whoa, why is everyone whining about Drew Goddard? He co-wrote and directed Cabin in the Woods and wrote Cloverfield and The Martian. And people enjoyed those. What did he make that pissed you all off?

 

[Gothamsknight]

I loved The Matrix Resurrections. I think the themes of that movie and the message can still be protected if they go in a new direction and explore new characters and a new setting. Personally, I don't see the OG cast being involved.

 

[Filmfreak]

Woha, whoa, whoa, why is everyone whining about Drew Goddard? He co-wrote and directed Cabin in the Woods and wrote Cloverfield and The Martian. And people enjoyed those. What did he make that pissed you all off?

The only straight up bad thing that he was involved in was writing one (1) episode for The Defenders. Everything else he has done ranges from decent to great in my book.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Woha, whoa, whoa, why is everyone whining about Drew Goddard? He co-wrote and directed Cabin in the Woods and wrote Cloverfield and The Martian. And people enjoyed those. What did he make that pissed you all off?

Because he writes like every Gen X hack attempting a poor imitation of Whedon and Tarantino? Cabin in the Woods is an awful, smug, derivative failed attempt at being 'clever', Cloverfield doesn't have a particularly impressive script and The Martian is a perfectly adequate adaptation of an okay novel. His directorial work is much worse than his screenwriting which is, if we're being generous, generically competent. Done some good work on TV shows though those scripts are generally heavily rewritten by showrunners.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Because he writes like every Gen X hack attempting a poor imitation of Whedon and Tarantino? Cabin in the Woods is an awful, smug, derivative failed attempt at being 'clever', Cloverfield doesn't have a particularly impressive script and The Martian is a perfectly adequate adaptation of an okay novel. His directorial work is much worse than his screenwriting which is, if we're being generous, generically competent.

You literally seem like the only person who's treating him like the worst thing ever. There's far worse writers out there (Jeff Nathanson anyone?) yet you just seem overprotective of The Matrix.

 

[Sithborg]

Woha, whoa, whoa, why is everyone whining about Drew Goddard? He co-wrote and directed Cabin in the Woods and wrote Cloverfield and The Martian. And people enjoyed those. What did he make that pissed you all off?

Simple answer is he is not a Wachowski. And as much as I don't think the Wachowskis can make what people really want from a Matrix movie anymore, I would still take whatever they come with than someone else.

And 2nd, I'm not entirely sure his 2, repeat 2, movies he's directed should give you a level of confidence over a Matrix movie.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

You literally seem like the only person who's treating him like the worst thing ever. There's far worse writers out there (Jeff Nathanson anyone?) yet you just seem overprotective of The Matrix.

I don't think he's the worst thing ever. I am just expressing my dislike for a filmmaker on a forum that exists to talk about and express opinions on media lol.

I'm protective of the few remaining big properties that have a certain amount of integrity to them. I'm not even a Matrix fan really.

 

[Zantera]

Drew Goddard is a decent enough writer but as a director he hasn't really done anything special and I doubt he could even reach a level of Matrix Reloaded. I don't mind some of his writing credits but as a director he doesn't really have an interesting visual flair and that's a huge thing for the franchise.

 

[Stringer]

Meh, no outrage, just make a dope action movie and it'll be all good. I don't anticipate that happening though.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Drew Goddard is a decent enough writer but as a director he hasn't really done anything special and I doubt he could even reach a level of Matrix Reloaded. I don't mind some of his writing credits but as a director he doesn't really have an interesting visual flair and that's a huge thing for the franchise.

It's less that he lacks a visual flair, I'm a bit of a philistine among cinephiles because I'm pretty okay with basic flat direction if the writing/acting is good (as an example: I'd rather watch Whedon's Avengers movies over the Russo's any day of the week and twice on Sundays) and more that he's just very... Empty? There isn't a lot to his movies other than a conflux of tropes that a movie nerd in 1997 would've thought were the coolest things ever. The Cabin in the Woods is attempting to make a kind of point but it's such a vapid, uninteresting one that it doesn't even matter.

The Wachowski's movies are often very, very dumb and silly but at their best they're very much about important things in a deeply sincere way.

 

[Arnold Rimmer]

Drew Goddard is a decent enough writer but as a director he hasn't really done anything special and I doubt he could even reach a level of Matrix Reloaded. I don't mind some of his writing credits but as a director he doesn't really have an interesting visual flair and that's a huge thing for the franchise.

People have been wanting him involved on certain franchises for a while and now that he's on one you guys complain.

Give it a chance.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

People have been wanting him involved on certain franchises for a while and now that he's on one you guys complain.

Give it a chance.

It's also not just a normal franchise. There's a big gap between him doing, I don't know, a DC movie and doing a Matrix movie. No filmmaker deserves solve authorial credit for their movies, how authorship is distributed in film is really unhealthy in my opinion, but they're Wachowski movies first. If someone I liked was doing this I would also be annoyed because The Matrix simply should not be turned into another Name for the studio to milk for all it is worth. It's over, the creators have said all they had to say with it - let it end.

 

[Gothamsknight]

Id be shocked if Drew and Lana (as welly as Lilly) haven't or will not speak to each other at some point.

 

[Spider-Fan]

My thing is what R word do you pair it with?

The Matrix Revisited
The Matrix Returns

The Matrix Run Into The Ground

 

[Ninjablade]

People have been wanting him involved on certain franchises for a while and now that he's on one you guys complain.

Give it a chance.

Almost like those things are not mutually exclusive. Last I checked no one was asking for him to be involved in The Matrix series. That's vastly different than asking him to join some random Marvel or DC crap, only to complain about him being a part of it. This franchise is a very personal one to the set of directors that made them. Taking their voice away is taking away the voice of what makes these films appealing.

Surely if whatever Goddard has to say with this franchise is something that could've been made without WB trying to run into the ground a brand.

 

[Airwings]

I got a crazy idea. What if Terry Gilliam helmed this, and even was involved in the script.
The studio needs to give him full freedom to go nuts with the film

 

[Luigi]

Resurrections just got even more meta.

 

[Lasirius]

Not opposed to this, especially with Resurrections leaving a weird taste in people’s mouth.