The Dark Knight New Villians - in the Nolan style

[Boom]

defntly agree with you here. defintly. the reason batman part 5 was so cool was because it was RELISTIC (altho it could have been more). and thats wat people want these days. batman part 1 and 2 mite have worked with the joker (a guy wearing clown makeup? gimme a break) and the penguin (totaly unbelevable) because in the 80s everyune was a liberal hippy and on drugz. but now w ith 9/11 and the war an iraq people want relism. so here are my ideas for how the villens (bad guys as i call em) shuld be in the next movies:

mr freeze: loose the suit, loose the ice gun. maybe have him jus t b from canada (its really cold up there) and have him come to gotham to try to becum mayor in order to destroy the american way of life.

mad hatter: no one has seen alice in 1nderland anymore. they shuld totally change this guy. change his name to th e madd hatta (always wearing a backwards baseball cap) an have him be a gangsta rapper who gets gotham involved in a huge gang w ar.

poison ivy: may b like a ultra liberal activist who wants bruse wayne to stop "pollution" so batman has to stop her.

thats it 4 now. ill think of more later.

These ideas are just crazy enough to work.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

if the Riddler is going to be in the Nolan films, i want Ed Norton for the role t: t:

 

[Katsuro]

Of course... and I was waiting for someone to say that.

The thing is, there was nothing in the movie that says Ra's wasn't immortal. It was hinted at but always with a back door out of the discussion. Kind of amusing. In my view Ra's could always come back. Maybe he won't, but he could. There's no reason to think otherwise.

I love the way Nolan handled that actually. Is Ra's immortal in Begins? There's nothing to explicitly state or even really imply he's not immortal. There's also nothing there to imply that he is. It's up to whatever you want to believe, and that's how Nolan intended it. I personally like to believe that he is.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Of course... and I was waiting for someone to say that.

The thing is, there was nothing in the movie that says Ra's wasn't immortal. It was hinted at but always with a back door out of the discussion. Kind of amusing. In my view Ra's could always come back. Maybe he won't, but he could. There's no reason to think otherwise.

As I was waiting for you to say that. I Know. I really hope he comes back. I'm skeptical, though. Something tells me Nolan won't want to bring him back. I think it'd be a mistake not to.

I don't hate John Woo.

I'm not particularly a fan of M:I2 (but you've known this for a long time) and I do think he would be a terrible choice for a Batman director, but I don't hate him or his work. It is sort of its own genre, though, and people trying to imitate him have created a lot of poopy movies. But that's true of a lot of directors.

Cine said he hated Woo and you said you agreed. Miscommunication. *shrug*

 

[Keyser Sushi]

As I was waiting for you to say that. I Know. I really hope he comes back. I'm skeptical, though. Something tells me Nolan won't want to bring him back. I think it'd be a mistake not to.

As I've said many times, I'd LOVE IT if Ra's returned in BB3 in a sort of nod to Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Final Problem" where Sherlock Holmes appeared to die taking down his arch-nemesis, Professor Moriarty. That way Nolan's trilogy could end with the *apparent* death of The Batman, only to have him be reborn in a 4th (whether helmed by Nolan or somebody else).

I get yelled a lot every time I say that, but I keep saying it because it's fun.

Cine said he hated Woo and you said you agreed. Miscommunication. *shrug*

I agreed with the idea that Woo would be terrible for Batman and that his films are not all spectacular, but I don't hate Woo. So, we're cool, then?

 

[raybia]

As I've said many times, I'd LOVE IT if Ra's returned in BB3 in a sort of nod to Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Final Problem" where Sherlock Holmes appeared to die taking down his arch-nemesis, Professor Moriarty. That way Nolan's trilogy could end with the *apparent* death of The Batman, only to have him be reborn in a 4th (whether helmed by Nolan or somebody else).

I get yelled a lot every time I say that, but I keep saying it because it's fun.



I agreed with the idea that Woo would be terrible for Batman and that his films are not all spectacular, but I don't hate Woo. So, we're cool, then?

How about if it ends with the apparent death of Batman...for the citizens of Gotham, but the film ends with Bruce and Alfred...the same as BB.

 

[Darknightnomis]

THREE REASONS WHY THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN:

1.) The story has nothing to do with Nolan's trilogy, so, not gonna happen.

2.) Not the kind of Batman story most of us actually want, so, not gonna happen.

3.) Probably be better suited to David Fincher than Christopher Nolan, so, not gonna happen.

Did I leave any out?

Quite a bit.

1) We don't know if a "trilogy" for these new Batman movies are set in stone so this could be the 4th or 5th movie after the main villians of the story have been established in the previous films.

We already got Scarecrow (and Zasz) in 'Batman Begins'. Joker in the next movie (possible a cameo by Penguin) and then 2 face in the sequel to TDK (with Selina possible). all you need is Killer Croc and Mad Hatter and you got them all.

2) I wouldn't be so sure of that if I was you, I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would like to see A movie adapation of this story.

3) Fincher wouldn't be bad to direct a Batman movie like this, it will certainly garner (an R rating like most his movies) However I think Nolan would adapt it so that it's more viewer frinedly so a PG-13 crowd could stomach some of the content.

 

[Ronny Shade]

As I've said many times, I'd LOVE IT if Ra's returned in BB3 in a sort of nod to Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Final Problem" where Sherlock Holmes appeared to die taking down his arch-nemesis, Professor Moriarty. That way Nolan's trilogy could end with the *apparent* death of The Batman, only to have him be reborn in a 4th (whether helmed by Nolan or somebody else).

I get yelled a lot every time I say that, but I keep saying it because it's fun.

Bloody brilliant

I agreed with the idea that Woo would be terrible for Batman and that his films are not all spectacular, but I don't hate Woo. So, we're cool, then?

While I would jump with joy at the thought of John Woo directing batman, I understand that that's not what everybody wants. We're cool.


but watch The Killer.

 

[batman7289]

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[Keyser Sushi]

How about if it ends with the apparent death of Batman...for the citizens of Gotham, but the film ends with Bruce and Alfred...the same as BB.

Loses all of its dramatic impact that way. Not a good idea.

With "The Final Problem," even Watson thought Holmes was dead. Some time later Holmes reappeared and rejoined Watson, but that was another story altogether.

Basically what we're talking about is EVERYBODY would have to think that Batman was dead. And then in order to complete the story, say, the "rebirth" of Batman would be a story about Matches Malone or another of Bruce's alter egos, and at first you don't know it's Bruce, and then you realize it IS Bruce, and he's undercover, and he has to infiltrate somebody's setup, and then, finally, Batman reappears in the climax to take care of business.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Quite a bit.

Sure.

1) We don't know if a "trilogy" for these new Batman movies are set in stone so this could be the 4th or 5th movie after the main villians of the story have been established in the previous films.

What we know is that Nolan and Goyer planned three movies. I suspect it's going to be hard to get a guy like Nolan to do more than three of these. But I could be wrong.

We already got Scarecrow (and Zasz) in 'Batman Begins'. Joker in the next movie (possible a cameo by Penguin) and then 2 face in the sequel to TDK (with Selina possible). all you need is Killer Croc and Mad Hatter and you got them all.

Yeah but... meh.

2) I wouldn't be so sure of that if I was you, I'm sure there are plenty of people here who would like to see A movie adapation of this story.

Oh, there are absolutely plenty. But I don't think it's a majority at all.

3) Fincher wouldn't be bad to direct a Batman movie like this, it will certainly garner (an R rating like most his movies) However I think Nolan would adapt it so that it's more viewer frinedly so a PG-13 crowd could stomach some of the content.

I don't think I'd want to see a David Fincher Batman movie. Maybe it's just me, but the Batman comics I love are the Bronze age "Batman" and "Detective" stories, which were spooky and noirish (and coined the title "Darknight Detective" for Batman) but not so over-the-top as some folks seem to want.

You're right about Nolan, but that's also why I don't think Nolan would do that story.

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Bloody brilliant

I know.

While I would jump with joy at the thought of John Woo directing batman, I understand that that's not what everybody wants. We're cool.

w00t!

but watch The Killer.

If my crappy video rental place has it, I'll do it. I don't know when, but I'll do it.

 

[kingdomhearts]

No Clayface and Catwoman for me.

Im intrigued with the human element of Freeze. I like Bane to see Batman kick ass. Azrael I dont mind than Robin.

 

[Nepenthes]

defntly agree with you here. defintly. the reason batman part 5 was so cool was because it was RELISTIC (altho it could have been more). and thats wat people want these days. batman part 1 and 2 mite have worked with the joker (a guy wearing clown makeup? gimme a break) and the penguin (totaly unbelevable) because in the 80s everyune was a liberal hippy and on drugz. but now w ith 9/11 and the war an iraq people want relism.

Ha ha Ignoring you're social commentary how is the Penguin unbelievable? He's already lost most of the the umbrella and bird stuff in the comics.

mr freeze: loose the suit, loose the ice gun. maybe have him jus t b from canada (its really cold up there) and have him come to gotham to try to becum mayor in order to destroy the american way of life.

mad hatter: no one has seen alice in 1nderland anymore. they shuld totally change this guy. change his name to th e madd hatta (always wearing a backwards baseball cap) an have him be a gangsta rapper who gets gotham involved in a huge gang w ar.

poison ivy: may b like a ultra liberal activist who wants bruse wayne to stop "pollution" so batman has to stop her.

Well I'm glad someone's trying to come up with some different ideas and isn't confounded by a realistic appraoch. Some fanboys are just in denial or are unable to use their imaginations to come up with a re-styling...

That said, I'm sorry but I ain't really feeling the first two ideas here. Mr.Freeze is a mayor from Canada? Mad Hatta all you've retained is something about a hat. You've ignored the potential of these characters and their core motives.




There are a few ways to go with Mad Hatter and obviously he needs something about mind control. One, there's the pedophilia thing. Make him a child molester 'pied-piper' type and just reference the nasty stuff instead of showing it. Now that would be very realistic, but perhaps a little too much for WB and family audiences.

Second you can make him a pimp. His mind-warped girls play out fairytale fantasies for clients. When other crooks cause problems for his business he mind controls them as well. Mind control can cybernetic, drugbased or just strangely psychological.

Third, you can make him a cult leader like Charles Manson or David Koresh. He controls a group of beautiful blonde Alice's who commit robberies and murder for him. They all look the same, talk at the same time, have no mind. Creeeepy.

But then Mad Hatter is really about children and innocence. Like Batmans best villains he has a unique perspective underneath the themed crimes and silly costumes. I like how he's portrayed in Arkham Asylum:

"Now where was I? Where will I be? Ah yes, the apparent disorder of the universe is simply a higher order, an implicate order beyond our comprehension. That's why children interest me. They're all mad, you see. But in each of them is an implicate adult. Order out of chaos. Or is it the other way around? To know them is to know myself. Little girls especially. Little blonde girls. Little shameless *****es! Oh god. God help us all!"
...
"I should say I'm very much cleverer than any of the people who put me here. As a matter of fact, I could leave any time I wanted. It's only a doll's house after all. Anyway, I don't mind. I like dolls.

Mad-Hatter cannot recognise the higher order in our world, but then when you're a child you don't have to. You don't question, the world is a playground. By that all children are mad because they're not burdened by a submitting to a higher meaning. So children are chaos who will one day will become adults (order). Or is it the other way around, is naiviete a simple form of order and questioning the path to chaos? That begins to explains his obsession with children & fairytales. Hw wants a simpler version of reality. In which he is the higher order.

Mad Hatter would be a good villain to start the new trilogy after B3. The Robin trilogy. About a child who becomes an adult.