Newcomer to GoT, love it!

[Reek]

season 3 and 4 are levels above season 2 (and season 2 has arguably the best episode of the series, which you are about to see S2E9.)

 

[Filmfan93]

I am currently at ep.3 of Season 3. I only have 1 question: who are exactly Jaimie and Brienne's captors that are led by Locke? He is of House of Bolton, but is he very relevant to the story?

 

[Reek]

Locke is relevant. and yea they are Bolton men.

 

[Filmfan93]

I figured he would be. Especially after Jaimie

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joined a certain Skywalker family tradition.

 

[Iceman]

I know I'm a bit late to the party, but I just started watching the show a few days ago. We finished Season 1 yesterday and will start Season 2 today.

We tried to get into it last year, but we were confused by all the characters, weren't invested and couldn't make it past Episode 4 of Season 1. However, I am very glad that we gave it a second chance, the show is seriously awesome!

I still find it a bit confusing to remember all the names and family trees, especially of secondary and tertiary characters. However, this time I listen and watch carefully and it pays off by hooking me to the show!

I only have one question - will it get more complex as the show goes on? I mean, will the show introduce many other characters and does the story become difficult to comprehend and easy to lose?

Welcome! I'm glad you made it through Season 1 without getting spoiled. (I failed at that although on the plus side now I feel totally free to read every single spoiler going t

It will certainly get more complex with many more characters but that also makes it far more rewarding than your average show if you can keep up and pay attention. Also makes rewatching the whole thing worthwhile as you'll pick up a lot of things you didn't first time round.

 

[Filmfan93]

Thanks for all the support, guys! I am halfway through Season 3 (4 episodes left) and what I find confusing is the amount of current storylines:

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We have Jon Snow attacking the Wall, Daenerys marching with her newly obtained army, Jaimie and Brienne captured by the House of Bolton, Theon being tortured by Karstark's son, Arya dealing with the Brotherhood without banners (who serve the Lord of Light), Robb dealing with land conquering strategies, Stannis at Dragonstone with his recently introduced daughter and everything that's happening at King's Landing (Baelish sailing towards Lysa, Tyrion having to marry Sansa and Cersei - Loras and the Tyrells having their own agenda regarding the Throne.

The story is fascinating, but all these storylines have large amount of characters and sometimes it is very easy to forget something. In addition, I have no idea why the Brotherhood of Light and the House of Bolton showed. I am afraid of not missing something.

 

[Reek]

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We have Jon Snow attacking the Wall, Daenerys marching with her newly obtained army, Jaimie and Brienne captured by the House of Bolton, Theon being tortured by Karstark's son, Arya dealing with the Brotherhood without banners (who serve the Lord of Light), Robb dealing with land conquering strategies and everything that's happening at King's Landing (Baelish sailing towards Lysa, Tyrion having to marry Sansa and Cersei - Loras and the Tyrells having their own agenda regarding the Throne.

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Jon isn't attacking the wall, he's a double agent. Theon is being tortured by someones son, yes, but he says he was lying and is NOT a Karstark (this is important). this is where the rewatching and wiki-ing comes in handy. it is easy to get confused. Tyrion is marrying Sansa to secure the north for Tywin (he assumes he will defeat Robb). Baelish is going to marry Lysa to help Tywin further by bringing the Vale onto their side (Lannisters).

 

[Filmfan93]

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Jon isn't attacking the wall, he's a double agent. Theon is being tortured by someones son, yes, but he says he was lying and is NOT a Karstark (this is important). this is where the rewatching and wiki-ing comes in handy. it is easy to get confused. Tyrion is marrying Sansa to secure the north for Tywin (he assumes he will defeat Robb). Baelish is going to marry Lysa to help Tywin further by bringing the Vale onto their side (Lannisters).

Thank you for explaining, I already knew most of this, I was just describing everything that was happening.

The only thing I apparently got wrong from your clarification is that

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Jon Snow is a double agent? I thought he switched sides, because he found out Mormont knew about Craster giving his sons to the Night Walkers and not did anything. In addition, he mentioned to Mance that he wanted to fight with the side that was fighting the Night Walkers. I thought he had abandoned his Night Watch friends for real.

Or have I missed something?

 

[Reek]

Thank you for explaining, I already knew most of this, I was just describing everything that was happening.

The only thing I apparently got wrong from your clarification is that

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Jon Snow is a double agent? I thought he switched sides, because he found out Mormont knew about Craster giving his sons to the Night Walkers and not did anything. In addition, he mentioned to Mance that he wanted to fight with the side that was fighting the Night Walkers. I thought he had abandoned his Night Watch friends for real.

Or have I missed something?

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In season 2 when he fights Qhorin Half Hand, Qhorin does it on purpose to help Jon win the Wildlings trust. Hence the reason Qhorin whispered part of the Nights Watch oath into Jons ear as he died.

Jon feels a bit betrayed by Lord Commander Mormont, and is sympathetic to the wildlings because of Ygritte, his respect for Mance, Tormund, etc... He is seeing the bigger picture of things.. especially since the wildlings are only trying to come south to save their lives from the White Walkers.

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

Thanks for all the support, guys! I am halfway through Season 3 (4 episodes left) and what I find confusing is the amount of current storylines:

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We have Jon Snow attacking the Wall, Daenerys marching with her newly obtained army, Jaimie and Brienne captured by the House of Bolton, Theon being tortured by Karstark's son, Arya dealing with the Brotherhood without banners (who serve the Lord of Light), Robb dealing with land conquering strategies, Stannis at Dragonstone with his recently introduced daughter and everything that's happening at King's Landing (Baelish sailing towards Lysa, Tyrion having to marry Sansa and Cersei - Loras and the Tyrells having their own agenda regarding the Throne.

The story is fascinating, but all these storylines have large amount of characters and sometimes it is very easy to forget something. In addition, I have no idea why the Brotherhood of Light and the House of Bolton showed. I am afraid of not missing something.

There is no need for spoiler tags; this is your thread and these events are ancient history now.

I recommended family trees before and I think those will help you -especially illustrated ones for keeping track of who's who.

This is a basic one (click for larger views):














There are more up-to-date ones too, but they tend to be spoilerish and indicate the deceased, or show characters you haven't seen yet and add to the confusion. When you get to the end of season 5, I'll post a couple of those for you.

 

[Reek]

we need a gif of Randy Quaid and Austin Powers... JUST BITE YOUR LIP AND GIVE IT HELL! WE'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS!

 

[Filmfan93]

Thanks for everything. I already have most of the pictures with the family trees and they are very helpful

Fist of Khonshu, you can upload the pictures from later seasons as well. I am just storing everything GoT related to a folder at the moment and would be helpful to have everything in one place when I need it. I won't look to them until the time comes as I am trying to avoid spoilers.

The only spoiler I ever got from this show is that Jon Snow died at the end of Season 5 (and recently got revived in Season 6). Unfortunately, I still wasn't watching it back then and literally everybody posted it everywhere on the Internet. I couldn't avoid it even if I wanted to. Same goes for his resurrection, it was literally everywhere couple of weeks ago.

 

[Filmfan93]

I am halfway through Season 5. The show is still amazing, although the story slows down this season and some stuff is a bit confusing for me.

For example, how did Lancel join the Sevens and what is Cersei's plan regarding using them and High Sparrow as well? I just find it odd, as well as the Sons of Harpy. Who are they? Are they the former masters that rebel against Daenerys for abolishing the slavery in Meereen?

Also, what does Littlefinger want exactly? He has secured the Eyrie by marrying Lysa and plans to marry Sansa to Ramsay in order to form an alliance with the Boltons, right? And Roose's plan is to have Littlefinger and the Eyrie by his side (by having Sansa married to his son) as he rules Winterfell, because he is afraid that his people might not be enough if the Lannisters decide to rise against the Boltons, right?

Please, correct me if I am wrong. I think I understand almost everything, but sometimes some of the stuff seems a bit... muddy and not clear enough.

 

[Reek]

I am halfway through Season 5. The show is still amazing, although the story slows down this season and some stuff is a bit confusing for me.

For example, how did Lancel join the Sevens and what is Cersei's plan regarding using them and High Sparrow as well? I just find it odd, as well as the Sons of Harpy. Who are they? Are they the former masters that rebel against Daenerys for abolishing the slavery in Meereen?

Also, what does Littlefinger want exactly? He has secured the Eyrie by marrying Lysa and plans to marry Sansa to Ramsay in order to form an alliance with the Boltons, right? And Roose's plan is to have Littlefinger and the Eyrie by his side (by having Sansa married to his son) as he rules Winterfell, because he is afraid that his people might not be enough if the Lannisters decide to rise against the Boltons, right?

Please, correct me if I am wrong. I think I understand almost everything, but sometimes some of the stuff seems a bit... muddy and not clear enough.

Lancel: I don't think it's ever really discussed... I assume when Tyrion put the fear of god in him, he changed.

Cersei: you'll see

Sons of the Harpy: No one knows yet, exactly.

Littlefinger: Was not lying about wanting everything. and yes. Roose wants to secure the North... you'll see whats going on.

you're only 10 episodes behind so everything you are asking is either answered as you catch up in the next few eps, or we are still waiting for the answers.

 

[Filmfan93]

Thanks for the reply!

I am really confused by one thing - when Baelish goes to King's Landing by Cersei's order, he meets with Olenna. He tells her Cersei summoned him for a "piece of information" he had. What is that information? Also, he tells Olenna that he will give her the same thing he gave to Cersei - a handsome young man. Who is the man he gave to Cersei and who does he plan to give to Olenna? I assume Lancel, but why?

As far as I understood, Cersei forces Baelish to make Olyvar confess during the trial for her agenda regarding the Tyrells. Olyvar in this sense is the "piece of information" that Baelish had (since Baelish placed Olyvar to be in charge of the brothel). After that, when Baelish speaks to Olenna, he promises to give her Lancel, translating into him forcing Lancel to confess to the Sparrows against Cersei and because of him Cersei gets imprisoned at the end of The Gift. Am I right, or there is something else? I am just very confused by Littlefinger's plans during Season 5.

 

[Reek]

Thanks for the reply!

I am really confused by one thing - when Baelish goes to King's Landing by Cersei's order, he meets with Olenna. He tells her Cersei summoned him for a "piece of information" he had. What is that information? Sansa marrying Ramsay? Also, he tells Olenna that he will give her the same thing he gave to Cersei - a handsome young man. Who is the man he gave to Cersei and who does he plan to give to Olenna? I assume Lancel? I am just very confused by Littlefinger's plans during Season 5.

He gave Cersei Olyvar... the gay prostitute Loras was banging, as proof of Loras' sins.... He gives Olenna the secret of Lancel Lannister (who was banging Cersei)

I think I am remembering that correctly.

 

[Reek]

Olyvar

 

[Filmfan93]

He gave Cersei Olyvar... the gay prostitute Loras was banging, as proof of Loras' sins.... He gives Olenna the secret of Lancel Lannister (who was banging Cersei)

I think I am remembering that correctly.

So my thoughts are perfectly correct, then? And yes, I remembered who Olyvar is (and explained about him in my theory), but thanks for the picture.

 

[Reek]

Yea you are right... you edited your post and I only saw the original. my bad.

 

[Filmfan93]

So, I just finished with Ep. 4 of Season 6 (Book of the Stranger). I can't seem to understand what Baelish's plan is.

He basically gave Sansa to the Boltons, then requested Cersei give him permission to use the Knights of Vale, then came back to the Eyrie and lied about giving Sansa to the Boltons by saying they kidnapped her instead. Now he will use the Knights to attack Winterfell. And on top of this, he is manipulating Robyn for his own agenda. What is his grand plan? His actions seem a bit.. strange and illogical.

 

[Greens]

That's for the viewers to find out along the way.

Just remember that Littlefinger wants power. In the end, that's what it's about.

 

[Filmfan93]

So I finally reached everyone else (watched "The Broken Man"). Thanks to all the replies and patience for answering my questions. It has been pleasure. I can finally join the specific episode discussions. My thoughts so far - the best show ever! I've never been invested so much in another series like that

 

[Fist of Khonshu]

So I finally reached everyone else (watched "The Broken Man"). Thanks to all the replies and patience for answering my questions. It has been pleasure. I can finally join the specific episode discussions. My thoughts so far - the best show ever! I've never been invested so much in another series like that

Man that's quite a binge you just had! Full time Throniac! t: It's a pretty awesome show indeed! And now if you go back and watch a bit of Seasons One and Two you'll appreciate them so much more --things that flew over your head and details outside your notice on the first run will become wonderfully obvious!

There are some seemingly disparate parts which weave together toward what's coming. I recommend watching this:
R+L=J: Who is Jon's Mother ALL SCENES COMPILATION - GAME OF THRONES

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[Ramsay Snow]

So I finally reached everyone else (watched "The Broken Man"). Thanks to all the replies and patience for answering my questions. It has been pleasure. I can finally join the specific episode discussions. My thoughts so far - the best show ever! I've never been invested so much in another series like that

OP, how do you feel about going so quickly through a story that was once about scheming, political intrigue and subversion of fantasy tropes to a story about how a man who was stabbed to death and resurrected by an evil sorceress so he could kill all the ice zombies and discover his royal heritage? Also a time travelling child destined to defeat the dark lord?

Edit: To clarify, I still love the show but i've been invested in it since the beginning. This is what my friend who I introduced to it a while ago told me once he got up to date in a short span of time and expressed disappointment.

 

[Filmfan93]

OP, how do you feel about going so quickly through a story that was once about scheming, political intrigue and subversion of fantasy tropes to a story about how a man who was stabbed to death and resurrected by an evil sorceress so he could kill all the ice zombies and discover his royal heritage? Also a time travelling child destined to defeat the dark lord?

Edit: To clarify, I still love the show but i've been invested in it since the beginning. This is what my friend who I introduced to it a while ago told me once he got up to date in a short span of time and expressed disappointment.

Well, to be honest, I haven't had any disappointments regarding the tone of the show. Yes, it starts with political intrigues and affairs and slowly adapts more supernatural aspects, but everything regarding Jon Snow, Bran's time-travelling, Arya's House of Black and White story or the White Walkers is simply awesome. I watched the show very fast, but still felt the transition was ok (we have 57 episodes after all).

I guess that with the Walkers passing through the Wall and heading South, the show will become even more... "supernatural". One thing is for sure though, it's not about the Game of Thrones anymore, the threat that the Walkers possess now is something far bigger and more compelling.

And to think that I once saw the Lannisters as the ultimate villains of this show...