NG vs DMC

[shadowforce420]

It's like Civil War but with demons and swords.

 

[Havok83]

this discussion is pretty much already running here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=290799

 

[Fenrir]

this discussion is pretty much already running here:

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=290799

The outcome of which is already obvious. Ninja Gaiden FTW close thread kthnxbye.

 

[Timstuff]

^ No, the outcome is that Devil May Cry spanks Ninja Gaiden's S&M leather clad butt cheeks.

 

[Fenrir]

^ No, the outcome is that Devil May Cry spanks Ninja Gaiden's S&M leather clad butt cheeks.

Keep telling yourself that, kiddo.

 

[Timstuff]

I don't need to tell myself, totty. I've played both games.

 

[Fenrir]

I don't need to tell myself, totty. I've played both games.

So have I, toots. In fact, I have posted detailed arguments proving how Ninja Gaiden is the superior franchise both gameplay-wise and in terms of critical acclaim, arguments that are yet to be refuted. So unless you do, the only one you're fooling here is yourself.

 

[GFreeman]

This thread delivers.

 

[Fenrir]

Well after watching a good amount of gameplay vids from both games, I guess it's pretty much a documented fact now that NG2's gameplay is far superior to DMC4's which only looks flashier instead of having actual substance.

I mean, just look at these vids of Ninja Gaiden 2 in action:

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/28600.html
http://www.gamespot.com/video/943273/6183375/ninja-gaiden-ii-official-movie-2
http://media.xbox360.ign.com/media/686/686645/vid_2209811.html

and compare them with this:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748464/vid_2222277.html
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748464/vid_2222298.html
http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748464/vid_2222288.html

It's just...sad. Compared to Ninja Gaiden, it seems as if you're playing DMC4 in slow-motion. And as usual, the enemies are little more than target practice, lingering around like a buncha dumbasses while you mow down their buddies. Dante's punch-kick moves look pathetic and their range is just terrible (on the other hand, the kind of moves Hayabusa is pulling off puts Wolverine to shame). That other conjuring swords weapon like everything else, only looks cool but nowhere near as effective or practical as even the lamest armament in Ninja Gaiden 2. Even the bloody boss character in one of those vids, with its huge size lacks any kind of menacing aura - there is simply no real sense of danger coming off of its attacks.

Matter of fact, I'm quite disappointed - the last DMC4 trailer was awesome and had me genuinely excited about the game but the gameplay vids are just...meh. It simply doesn't have the savagery and intensity that NG2 has oozing out of every single frame.

Funny how you cherrypick the game scores and leave out Ninja Gaiden Black which scored more than any DMC game to date.

Devil May Cry = 92.3%

Devil May Cry 3 Dante's Awakening = 83.9%

Devil May Cry 3 Special Edition = 87.8%

DMC Series Avg. Score = 88%

Ninja Gaiden = 92.1%

Ninja Gaiden Black = 93.9%

Ninja Gaiden Sigma = 86.9%

NG Series Avg. Score = 90.97%

Put me in my place? LOL, just run along now, junior.

OK I wasn't really in the mood to engage in a ******ed quote war but since you're so inclined to start one, I guess I'll play ball.

Those are all valid complaints, but something tells me you never played Devil May Cry 3, the enemies aren't as aggressive, but dying on the first level isn't uncommon, and it's not because of cheapness, it's because you encounter enemies that force you to constantly keep moving and reacting with split seconds notice. Ninja Gaiden is basically a timing game when it comes to its combat. Devil may Cry, while taking in all those criticisms, is much more free form and actually allows the player real control over the avatar. Ninja Gaiden is very dial a combo, canned moves, and the success of those moves are based on timing, not necessarily doing the right move like in DMC. Now granted the pace is very fast, and that makes it feel intense, but in conjunction with how deficient Ninja Gaiden is in every aspect that isn't its combat system, the game feels quite boring once you've figured out what combo to dial and when, since the AI is reactive, and you can basically manipulate it rather easily.

LOL, I've played all the DMC games Zenien, and have completed both DMC1 and 3 on hard. I really can't imagine anyone sucking so hard as to dying on the very first level in DMC3, it's really quite easy save for the Cerberus boss fight, and that too not because it's "challenging" in any way that requires a real test of your combat skills, but rather it is more a matter of endurance of being able to survive the ridiculous health bars of the bosses, especially on higher difficulties. And I also find it hilarious at you saying that DMC3 is more free form and allows more control over it's avatar than Ninja Gaiden, considering Dante can't even pull half as many moves than Ryu, neither can he wall-run, double jump or even block and counter like Ryu can. Sure you can change styles on the fly in DMC3, but it's really little more than a gimmick to compensate for the lack of moves available to you with a single weapon. As for the dial-a-combo part, I think you've got DMC and NG confused - the very video of DMC3 you posted shows you can simply let loose and look "cool" trying all the wow-combos and chains and mash buttons while the other enemies just watch the show, while in Ninja Gaiden even the lesser fiends and ninjas will kick your ass for attempting such foolery. To succeed in NG, you have to play it like a true master, by mixing combo chains (yes you CAN do that in Ninja Gaiden), throws, air dashes, ultimate techniques with Ryu's vast assortment of acrobatic maneuvers. Plus, the enemies in NG don't just stand there and wait for you to look cool, they really know how to gang up on you and even the lower level enemies can easily chop your health down to critical levels if you're careless. There is NO FREAKIN' WAY you can just "dial combos" in NG and get away with it - because as you start "dialing" these combos, you will almost always get clobbered with ranged attacks (explosive shurikens from ninjas, bullets and rockets from soldiers and teleporting and long range attacks from fiends). And the AI in NG is set up that generally in fights against a group of 3 or more, only a handful will charge against you head on while one or two hang back and provide long range support. Which is why you always have to stay on the move in NG. Standing in one place and "dialing combos" will only get you clobbered. Go play Ninja Gaiden again and then come back to this discussion.

You can melee more then one enemy in DMC.

Yeah, maybe if they're in a tight cluster straight in front of you, but what if you need freely and even simultaneously attack enemies on all sides, like in the final boss fight where you team up with Vergil in DMC3 in which the boss throws a whole bunch of little snakes (or some crap like that) at you that surround you and are really annoying because you can't really dispose them in the way you can with the circular swords slashes, Lunar or Vigorian Flail in Ninja Gaiden.

The weapons don't really have a masssive move list, having played through Sigma, I found them to be pretty shallow, I'm always surprised that people say the weapons have a lot of depth, when to me that's one of the weakest aspects of Ninja Gaiden. Just look at the moves you do have, and how beating an enemy is usually about just doing that one move, timed right.

Then the problem here in not the weapons themselves, it is your poor perception. You say the weapons don't really have a massive move list, even though the move list of Dragon's Fang and Tiger's Claw alone is longer than two weapons combined in DMC3. Not to mention that every weapon in Ninja Gaiden is extremely useful at different points in the game (save for the duplicates like nunchaku, war hammer and wooden sword <well, only until you fully upgrade it> that have much superior alternatives with the Vigoorian Flail and Dabilahro) which somewhat forces you to discover the right weapon for the right time to be most effective, even though you can scrape by the whole using just the one same weapon, but where's the fun in that?

The combat evens out, Ninja Gaiden trades control and actual move depth for a fast pace, and Devil may Cry trades a fast pace for control and move depth. All they need to do in DMC is make enemies more aggressive. The platforming in Ninja Gaiden is better, but aside from being pretty much equal in combat, Ninja Gaiden is virtually ******ed in all other aspects, which is why I don't think it's as good overall.

Again, it is amusing you say DMC has move depth and control in spite of the game's ******ed manual lock function and that fact that it is almost ZERO in acrobatics and lacks essential combat elements like blocking and counters. Sure, DMC3 is flashier and more stylish, but it desperately lacks the substance of Ninja Gaiden, precisely why it failed to garner the levels of critical acclaim of the latter. Anyone who says DMC3 is anywhere close to Ninja Gaiden in combat (let alone EQUAL) is desperately reaching.

Play Devil may Cry 3 on hard mode, or extreme where it's sped up faster then Ninja Gaiden, and say that it doesn't have substance. The distinction really, is that Devil may Cry gives you as much freeform and control as possible, while Ninja Gaiden restricts you, in a lot of ways it's like the control difference between a Metal Gear and Splinter Cell. True Devil may Cry is more mashy, but at the same time it still has that split second timing in abundance, and to actually play DMC well, requires more skill then Ninja Gaiden, because Ninja Gaiden is just a timing game where you hit the right button at the right time, Devil May Cry is free form and its up to the player to figure it out and excell at it. Ninja Gaiden is timing, dial a combo, rinse and repeat, you might be good at timing, but come back when you can pull off moves like this, or style change on the fly like in DMC4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T_RdUPNg6k

Like I said in the beginning, I finished both DMC1 and 3 on Hard mode, and the game still isn't as fast as Ninja Gaiden is on Hard mode, especially in the boss duels. I can't stop laughing now as you keep reiterating that DMC is more free-form and Ninja Gaiden is restrictive, when you can't even pull off proper acrobatics in combat, have half as many moves compared to NG, can't block or counter, attack multiple enemies simultaneously from different angles, or even use firearms without holding the moronic manual lock on button. I've already how the style change is little more than a gimmick to compensate for the lack of moves available to you with a single weapon. I don't know where you're pulling that "Metal Gear/Splinter Cell control difference" crap from, because it's quite baseless. As for the split-second timing and requiring more skill, just try taking on both Ishtaros and Nicchae AT ONCE in mission mode and then try telling me if DMC tests your nerves like that. Matter of fact, there isn't an action hack'n' slash game on the planet that throws an enormous mix of challenge and adrenaline rush like that.

Ninja Gaiden FTW

 

[Electro UK]

NG is so, so much better.

 

[Zenien]

Only deluded and pathetic Ninja Gaiden fanboys say that sort of crap.

Onimusha is the worst action game on the market, like you understand that it's a very basic action game that makes God of War look like Virtua Fighter 5. God of War 1 beats the crap out of it and is a more fun overall game than Ninja Gaiden. It's not as deep as NG or DMC but it destroys Ninja Gaiden in terms of level design, atmosphere, fun combat, music, everything. Not even a contest. Saying God of War was beaten by Jak and Daxter is just insane, I love me my Jak and Daxter, but come on the technical and artistic force of GoW is pretty much unmatched. "Omg let's call Kratos boring will giving the most boring and pathetic story in video games a free pass in Ninja Gaiden".

 

[Electro UK]

I can't help it if I had much more fun with Onimusha 3, than I did with God of War, nor can other sane people.

 

[Purple Prancer]

Rachel's breastseses weren't (big) enough to save NG for Zenien

 

[Mr. Smash'n Bash]

NG > GoW. Though they're both good-great games.

 

[Electro UK]

Only deluded and pathetic Ninja Gaiden fanboys say that sort of crap.

Onimusha is the worst action game on the market, like you understand that it's a very basic action game that makes God of War look like Virtua Fighter 5. God of War 1 beats the crap out of it and is a more fun overall game than Ninja Gaiden. It's not as deep as NG or DMC but it destroys Ninja Gaiden in terms of level design, atmosphere, fun combat, music, everything. Not even a contest. Saying God of War was beaten by Jak and Daxter is just insane, I love me my Jak and Daxter, but come on the technical and artistic force of GoW is pretty much unmatched. "Omg let's call Kratos boring will giving the most boring and pathetic story in video games a free pass in Ninja Gaiden".

Jak and Daxter was a free roaming world with better looking character models, and more detailed/impressive environments. All this, and it still lokked better than GoW with a closer camera.

Another thing was that God of War had like 4 enemies that basically got new weapons. They didn't do anything new, and the experience didn't change since the first fight... except of course where you had to kill them fast or the floor boards came down and you died, but that was just ******ed and frustrating.

Oh and speaking of frustrating, let's talk about the frickin' level in hell! Don't even think about saying those rotating spike walls where you fell to the bottom if you were hit once were any fun at all? And then there was another one! What drove the developers to say "People will have fun throwing the controller at the screen on this bit!"

 

[XtromaniaK]

The above Smash post was me, sorry.

 

[Electro UK]

Are you just the same poster?

 

[XtromaniaK]

We're brothers.

 

[Electro UK]

Oh right...

Jekyll and Hyde, I get that now.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Where have you been for the past.. two years? It's pretty common knowledge that the two of us are brothers.

 

[Electro UK]

But I've never liked either of you.

That's a lie, I like you Extro.

 

[Fenrir]

Only deluded and pathetic Ninja Gaiden fanboys say that sort of crap.

Only deluded and pathetic GOW fanboys say that sort of crap.

God of War 1 beats the crap out of it and is a more fun overall game than Ninja Gaiden. It's not as deep as NG or DMC but it destroys Ninja Gaiden in terms of level design, atmosphere, fun combat, music, everything. Not even a contest.

LOL! Have button mashing, luv. And to think you were jumping on NG for having "restrictive combat" and "dial a combo" gameplay. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Oh and the s**tty platforming in GOW stinks worse than the ass of a horse with diarrhea.

 

[XtromaniaK]

**** you Electro. - Smash

Oh, and don't try to sweet talk me with your British romance-ing. I've grown wise to your devilish English ways.

 

[Zenien]

Only deluded and pathetic GOW fanboys say that sort of crap.



LOL! Have button mashing, luv. And to think you were jumping on NG for having "restrictive combat" and "dial a combo" gameplay. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Oh and the s**tty platforming in GOW stinks worse than the ass of a horse with diarrhea.

The difference is, that GoW actually let's you mess around with the various moves, and 90 percent of them are brutal and awesome. Not so with Ninja Gaiden which funnels you style wise. Ninja Gaiden just isn't as fun and DevilMay Cry. It feels so sterile and boring, not to mention repeditive in a bad way (were as God of War is very simple, but addictive). NG essentially has all these weapons with little applicable variance (and I've played all of Ninja Gaiden, I know) as a coat of paint over what essentially amounts to simple timing tests. Devil May Cry is fun and excells in areas were Ninja gaiden falls flat on its face, comparatively speaking.

 

[XtromaniaK]

Fenrir's block posts would disagree with your assessment.