Sequels No more Osborn - No more Goblin Legacy?

[TheSlag]

OK.

Norman... dead.
Harry... dead
MJ (Kirsten.. MIA thank God!... sorry.. I digress t

With no Osborn, one would think, in the sequels, there seems to be one big gapping hole in the supporting cast. I wonder what the approach will be to fill this hole. Some of the possibilities gives me the shivers... Black KittyLiter shivers.

James Franco will be missed as his role of Harry. He was outstanding in all the movies IMO, and his conflict (love/hate) with Peter will be sorely missed. And with Norman gone too... no Goblin Legacy. Seems a little barren to me.

All this killing of villains is simply... "whacked". :

 

[TheSlag]

I wonder if Harry had a long lost cousin we did not know about?

Or... who does the vast Osborn Inheritance, and control of Oscorp Industries fall to, with Harry's death?

All areas they could take it in I guess. But to me, the Harry/Peter interaction will be missed regardless.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I think Captain Stacy or Gwen will be another very important character in this series. The only reason they didn't have a TON amount of screentime was because it was their first appearance. Sam said it himself, so, as I have said, I think we'll see more of them in the 4th film.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

dont forget there's still hobgoblin

 

[Reikowolf]

Yeah the hobgoblin legacy has yet to even be touched upon and its feasible, what happened to all the unused Goblin tech?

 

[TheSlag]

Hopefully Gwen (preferably recast for me.. but that is a different thread), and Capt Stacy can fill some of the void left by the Osborn-less saga. But Gwen falls more in the love relationship, as opposed to the (Family) friend and enemy that the Osborn's provided, as well as being (comic wise) Spider-Man's greatest villan arc(s) (plural for so many resurrections of the Goblin legacy through Norman and Harry).

That being said, IF they could recast a better Gwen, and somehow develop Gwen as the main love interest for Peter, kind of opposite what we had in the comics with MJ following Gwen there, and less dramatic as Gwen died at the hands of the Goblin. Where it appears MJ is just MIA.. probably with her career or somesuch story.

But IF they could bring Gwen along, and give us Capt Stacy's relationship with Peter/Spider-Man that was in the comics... that could be greatness. Espeically if Gwen loved Peter, but hated Spider-Man. Especially IF we got the Capt Stacy's death Arc in some form or fashion.

Kind of a backwards approach from the original (comic), but any form of it could be greatness I think if done right, and the characters/story is properly established first.

IF they do it.. hope they take SM4 and SM5 to do this storyline. Could be very good.

 

[TheSlag]

And I agree, kinda what I was thinking, what with the Goblin Lair still being at the Osborn Mansion... kinda hoping for some form of a Goblin (Hobgoblin) done right this time.

That said, the best part of the Hobgoblin's story in the comics, was his unknown identity. Still could be played up, but with all Osborn's dead.. kinda weakens the mystery and appeal of that particular storyline.

Still would love to see a movie interpretation of the Hobgoblin, that is dark.. darker than the Green Goblin and "whatever" Harry was supposd to have been.... "Surfer Due Villain"

 

[TheSlag]

Of course, I fully expect Dr. Connors and the Connors clan to fill a lot of the void of the now defunct Osborn Family Line.

 

[The Black Goo]

With all the Goblins dead, I think it would make people, especially the mainstream audience "go wtf, I thought they were all dead" Same with Peter. And then halfway through do the big reveal!

 

[Jick]

With the goblins dead and one more goblin appearing the audience would go "wtf, more goblins? Ain't there no other villains? Just goblins?"
Leave Hobgoblin for the next take on this franchise. Let's use Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, Kraven, Lizard, Vulture and others in the remaining 2 or 3 movies. Not all of them, of course, but they're better options.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It's obvious... Harry's butler will now take revenge for him and become The Hobgoblin!

 

[Robin91939]

I'm still mad at the way that they mishandled Harry in movie three.

It would have been so much more dramatic, and so much more mysterious, if we got an uncertainty to who the new Goblin was. The film just had some mysterious snowboarder swoop in, and snatch Peter, and then pull back his mask and reveal who he was...Harry!...wasn't real dramatic.

This was all due to the fact that they had to make time to set up the symbiote arc and the Sandman story. I guess they had forgotten that they had JUST spent two films setting up a beautiful Harry Osborn arc that could have paid off amazingly.

Picture them having the Green Goblin return. In the same armor and costume of the goblin from movie one. Maybe take it a step further and place two holes in the torso of the armor...

Peter would be haunted. He would believe that his greatest enemy has returned from the dead. He'd believe that Norman would have returned. We could watch the Goblin torment Peter in his daily life, following him, stalking him. We could be thrown red herrings. You could still introduce Eddie Brock and set up his story as a person who hates Peter. The general audience would file him under candidates as the "new Green Goblin". Also introduce a character like Ned Leeds, have him be a candidate.

Having an actual, insane, calculating, Goblin return was what I wanted. I wanted him to haunt Peter.

I wanted Spider-man 3 to feature Sandman and Green Goblin. Sandman would be a subplot, not the murderer of Uncle Ben.

Harry's story would be at the forefront. If this movie were written correctly, you could have Gwen not have been Peter's great love, but new best friend. Harry has killed her (this would be a welcome change away from MJ being in danger).

Have Harry set up a final death trap for Parker. Sandman joins unofficially teaming with the Goblin. They are killing Spider-man. It is only after Sandman is about to finish Peter off that Harry flashes through their life (we see scenes of them as sophomores in high school all they way to the end of movie two as best friends) when Harry realizes that he was wrong. He zooms down to stop Sandman, and is killed as a result of saving Peter. Peter then learns the identity of the Goblin, and gathers the strength to defeat Sandman.

This completely needs to be worked out, but, Goblin SHOULD have had the bulk of the film to himself.

-R

 

[SpaceWay2009]

I'm still mad at the way that they mishandled Harry in movie three.

It would have been so much more dramatic, and so much more mysterious, if we got an uncertainty to who the new Goblin was. The film just had some mysterious snowboarder swoop in, and snatch Peter, and then pull back his mask and reveal who he was...Harry!...wasn't real dramatic.

This was all due to the fact that they had to make time to set up the symbiote arc and the Sandman story. I guess they had forgotten that they had JUST spent two films setting up a beautiful Harry Osborn arc that could have paid off amazingly.

Picture them having the Green Goblin return. In the same armor and costume of the goblin from movie one. Maybe take it a step further and place two holes in the torso of the armor...

Peter would be haunted. He would believe that his greatest enemy has returned from the dead. He'd believe that Norman would have returned. We could watch the Goblin torment Peter in his daily life, following him, stalking him. We could be thrown red herrings. You could still introduce Eddie Brock and set up his story as a person who hates Peter. The general audience would file him under candidates as the "new Green Goblin". Also introduce a character like Ned Leeds, have him be a candidate.

Having an actual, insane, calculating, Goblin return was what I wanted. I wanted him to haunt Peter.

I wanted Spider-man 3 to feature Sandman and Green Goblin. Sandman would be a subplot, not the murderer of Uncle Ben.

Harry's story would be at the forefront. If this movie were written correctly, you could have Gwen not have been Peter's great love, but new best friend. Harry has killed her (this would be a welcome change away from MJ being in danger).

Have Harry set up a final death trap for Parker. Sandman joins unofficially teaming with the Goblin. They are killing Spider-man. It is only after Sandman is about to finish Peter off that Harry flashes through their life (we see scenes of them as sophomores in high school all they way to the end of movie two as best friends) when Harry realizes that he was wrong. He zooms down to stop Sandman, and is killed as a result of saving Peter. Peter then learns the identity of the Goblin, and gathers the strength to defeat Sandman.

This completely needs to be worked out, but, Goblin SHOULD have had the bulk of the film to himself.

-R

OMG, that's what I was thinking - minus the Sandman's subplot. I was hoping for a mystery of the Green Goblin's return. Like you said, I would have liked if Harry wore the same suit as his father, only with some purple color added to parts of the suit, like the arms, legs, and maybe parts of the face. Peter would be haunted and paranoid that his former enemy has returned from the dead. But in the end, it turns out the Green Goblin is Harry.

 

[Jick]

But Harry wanted Peter to know that he was trying to kill him. Hide his identity would make no sense for Harry. All he wanted was revenge and he wanted Peter to know it.

 

[Robin91939]

But Harry wanted Peter to know that he was trying to kill him. Hide his identity would make no sense for Harry. All he wanted was revenge and he wanted Peter to know it.

Harry always wanted to just mess with Peter's life before he killed him. He wanted to make him suffer and torment him. What better than to haunt him and have him think that Norman could still hurt him from beyond the grave?

Maybe, in the final fight, Harry would reveal his identity to Peter thinking that he is about to kill him, wanting Peter to know who it was that bested him and why.

-R

 

[TheSlag]

Totally agree with your point Robin91939, that they blew a BIG opportunity to have some "quality time" for Peter and Harry in SM3.

I would have loved to have a more gothic/dark costume for Harry, that would of a) hid his identity and b) had similarities to the Goblin.

I would of loved to see the mind games that Harry could of played on Peter's loved ones. We got a little of that with MJ in SM3... and that was probably one of the best parts of SM3 for me. Loved the Harry/Peter interaction in the movie, especially when Harry went to the dark side.

I would of loved to have seen a scene where Peter and MU are at a party at Harry's, with other people, possibly Aunt May, JJ, Gwen, Capt Stacy... possibly others... where Peter realizes that 1) Harry is unbalanced... and 2) Harry is the Goblin...

Could of been greatness. Kinda the theme to SM3... what could of been.

SM3 was good, not great, but with a little tweaking, eliminate Emo Parker, and replace him with a dark dangerous Parker (more along the lines of the Peter vs. Harry fight), and less Sandman (especially the 50 ft version), and more Brock/symbiote developement, leading to Venom in SM4...

And man.... Could of been out of this world good. Period.

 

[TheSlag]

It's obvious... Harry's butler will now take revenge for him and become The Hobgoblin!

Yep... LOL scary thought there... One I thought about too, thought about along the lines of "praying" Raimi does NOT think of that.. sheesh

 

[Adrian89]

With the goblins dead and one more goblin appearing the audience would go "wtf, more goblins? Ain't there no other villains? Just goblins?"
Leave Hobgoblin for the next take on this franchise. Let's use Rhino, Shocker, Scorpion, Kraven, Lizard, Vulture and others in the remaining 2 or 3 movies. Not all of them, of course, but they're better options.

I'm with you.

 

[Jick]

Thanks^^

Harry always wanted to just mess with Peter's life before he killed him.

No, he wanted to kill Peter. He attacked Peter with everything in their first battle, already - punchs, kicks, arm blades, sword and pumpkin bombs. He threw everything he had at Pete, and he was attacking to kill. But he lost, that's why he wanted to torment Peter before their second fight, trying to weaken him, when he recovered from his amnesia.

He wanted to make him suffer and torment him. What better than to haunt him and have him think that Norman could still hurt him from beyond the grave?

Harry wanted Peter to know that he was exacting his revenge, hence why he showed his identity when he attacked Peter. Simple.

 

[Spectacular23]

Well what if harry not dead? he came back to life in the comics why not in the movie beside it would be a good cameo for mysterio at the end of 4 if they decide to go with it.

 

[Hobgoblin]

The Goblins are done in this series. Maybe there will be some backlash for Spidey over the deaths of the Osborns, if they are connected to the Goblins. Thats the only way I can see the Goblins being involved in any future movies. Frankly, we have other villains to focus on. A better story for Harry in part three would have been nice but whats done is done.

 

[Venom 1988]

Well what if harry not dead? he came back to life in the comics why not in the movie beside it would be a good cameo for mysterio at the end of 4 if they decide to go with it.

No because that would make no sense for the movies.

 

[Immortalfire]

Well what if harry not dead? he came back to life in the comics why not in the movie beside it would be a good cameo for mysterio at the end of 4 if they decide to go with it.

I vote NO to Harry rising from the grave.

 

[brinomite]

I vote NO to Harry rising from the grave.

As would I, or any other rational human for that matter. I think Raimi rushed the third film and fell victim to too much fanboy (im not even sure real fanboys wanted this realistically) bull**** to force venom into the film, when he, eddie, could have been introduced in the third film and become venom in 4. i think raimi effed it all up. he should stick to B horror flicks

 

[Venom 1988]

eddie, could have been introduced in the third film and become venom in 4. i think raimi effed it all up. he should stick to B horror flicks

Not even that. The symbiote should have played no role in the movie.