No Shared Universe for DC Films

[CConn]

Personally speaking, I'd enjoy solo movies more than an ensemble experience myself. (Wonder Woman WW2-era origin movie? I'd die.)

I just think it can be done effectively either way.

 

[jmc]

No, you don't.

Again, every movie and every project is its own entity. Even when you assemble the same cast and crew, different results happen. Look at Iron Man and Iron Man 2. Iron Man was awesome. 2? ...not so much. Did the fact that the first one was so good do anything to safeguard against the second's demise? No.

Like I said, I do agree, it would be difficult to do a JLA film - just as it was difficult to do an Avengers movie, but it's not about "not" being able to make GL or WW or Flash work in a solo film. It's merely about a JLA film taking precedence due to the potential financial upside.

And actually, financially speaking, I would think it would be much "safer" to introduce Flash and Wonder Woman in a JLA movie, have them be absolutely awesome in it, then through that win over people enough to actually be invigorated and excited about a solo movie featuring them.

Granted it's good. That's the thing to remember, by throwing all your eggs in one basket your risking all the characters future on film.

 

[CConn]

Granted it's good. That's the thing to remember, by throwing all your eggs in one basket your risking all the characters future on film.

Oh yes, I totally agree that it's a risk.

At the same time, every time a superhero movie fails, it affects all of the other properties. If GL put up amazing numbers, do you really think Flash and WW would still be in production hell?

 

[Micromind]

If Lobo movie is successful, will WB green light Flash and WW movies ?

I think not they are more likely to green light more dark themed movies like Deadman, Swamp Thing, Spectre, Bizarro.

 

[jmc]

Oh yes, I totally agree that it's a risk.

At the same time, every time a superhero movie fails, it affects all of the other properties. If GL put up amazing numbers, do you really think Flash and WW would still be in production hell?

Doesn't really matter about the what ifs. Things is I don't have a great deal of faith in WB to be able to deliver a good JL film first up in order to spin off the other characters. You're not only risking newcomers like Flash, Aquaman etc, you're also risking Superman and Batman as well even if they're establish heroes, we only need to look back to '97 to see how quickly the tide can turn. For all the crap I give Marvel about their movies being formulaic and safe at the very least they've gotten the basics right for most of their movies, not perfect by any means but consistent execution that makes them range from great to watchable. GL wasn't even watchable, I can't even give it a biased pass even though I'm a DC guy, WB simply saw what Iron Man did and tried to emulate it, don't let Nolan's Batman fool anyone as being the big reason GL finally made it, Iron Man is what gave them the balls to give it a shot but the intent was never the same. Instead of making a GL film they tried to make DC's version of an Iron Man movie. All that bull **** about being 'the next Star Wars' and a 'Sci-Fi opera' was a slap in the face to every DC and GL fan on the planet because they delivered anything but and in doing so screwed up potential movies for other charcters. And now someone at the offices is probably looking at Avengers making a crap load of cash thinking the exact same thing they did when IM came out - lets give the team up film a shot, and if that's the mind set it'll be a ****ing disaster.

 

[Thundercrack85]

You're right on the money.

However, DC / WB is probably watching right now, as Avengers makes more than a billion dollars, and they must be thinking, why can't we do that?

Now granted, maybe turning Green Lantern into the next Iron Man failed... miserably, but they have to be thinking of the potential of a Justice League movie. The question is, will they do it right?

If they can make another franchise as successful as Batman, imagine how much money they could make from a crossover? The new Superman movie better deliver.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

they've done that with tdk.

while its early, i don't think they'll do tdk numbers with tdkr, but i think it'll probably be a superior film. they may or may not come close with the hobbit and pacific rim.

still its too early to think that they won't do anymore dc films. i can't be the only one who's okay with them being in the back burner for a minute.

we're talking about it now like gl was the death knell, and while it may very likely be, it could also have been the wake up for DC to actually get it right. which i think we can all agree we all prefer to some in the heat of the moment rushed **** sandwhich.

imo, they've got a fantastic opportunity to flesh out the universe with the end of the nolan saga, and the start MOS with WF. baby steps.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

They're making a Lobo movie ?

Wonder Woman can potentially be the first successful superhero movie with a female lead. Men AND women love Wonder Woman equally, but they're making a Lobo movie...

I'm done.

 

[Rockstar]

Their reasons for not doing Wonder Woman are understandable. The reasons why it wouldn't be profitable make sense.

Warners screwing up Green Lantern and consequently burying Flash and all the others is unforgivable though.

 

[Shazam]

They're making a Lobo movie ?

Wonder Woman can potentially be the first successful superhero movie with a female lead. Men AND women love Wonder Woman equally, but they're making a Lobo movie...

I'm done.

I feel you!! Stupid...... ain't it???
I'ts like...."I know we gotta win this auto race. so I'll use my Camry instead of my Corvette."

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Their reasons for not doing Wonder Woman are understandable. The reasons why it wouldn't be profitable make sense.

Warners screwing up Green Lantern and consequently burying Flash and all the others is unforgivable though.

On infinite earths a Lobo movie can not be more profitable than a Wonder Woman movie.

For every person that doesn't know Wonder Woman, there's five thousand that don't know or give a ***** about Lobo.

I guarantee it.

 

[Shazam]

On infinite earths a Lobo movie can not be more profitable than a Wonder Woman movie.

For every person that doesn't know Wonder Woman, there's five thousand that don't know or give a ***** about Lobo.

I guarantee it.

Just the mere fact that they are even thinking about Lobo over more time-tested, A-List characters like Wonder Woman, just shows that they don't get it. Just the name "Wonder Woman" is woven into the fabric of our society. Even folks that don't read comics, know this name.


DC is just clueless. I love their characters. But they are in the wrong creative hands. Man..........

And with Avengers closing in on 1 BILLION dollars....they are panicking over there and they will make even more stupid decisions. Just watch.

 

[Shazam]

On infinite earths a Lobo movie can not be more profitable than a Wonder Woman movie.

For every person that doesn't know Wonder Woman, there's five thousand that don't know or give a ***** about Lobo.

I guarantee it.

Just the mere fact that they are even thinking about Lobo over more time-tested, A-List characters like Wonder Woman, just shows that they don't get it. Just the name "Wonder Woman" is woven into the fabric of our society. Even folks that don't read comics, know this name.


DC is just clueless. I love their characters. But they are in the wrong creative hands. Man..........

And with Avengers closing in on 1 BILLION dollars....they are panicking over there and they will make even more stupid decisions. Just watch.

 

[superion]

If WB wants to play it safe than the best bet is to make a JL movie than make a Flash, WW and rebooted GL off of it. Having Batman and Superman on the team will guarantee it will be successful even if the GA doesn't care about the others at the moment.

I wonder how will the Avengers could be doing if Marvel still had the rights to Spider-Man and the X-Men and were able to put Spider-Man (Toby or the new guy) on the Avengers and Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Just the mere fact that they are even thinking about Lobo over more time-tested, A-List characters like Wonder Woman, just shows that they don't get it. Just the name "Wonder Woman" is woven into the fabric of our society. Even folks that don't read comics, know this name.


DC is just clueless. I love their characters. But they are in the wrong creative hands. Man..........

And with Avengers closing in on 1 BILLION dollars....they are panicking over there and they will make even more stupid decisions. Just watch.

exactly

 

[Bruce Malone]

On infinite earths a Lobo movie can not be more profitable than a Wonder Woman movie.

For every person that doesn't know Wonder Woman, there's five thousand that don't know or give a ***** about Lobo.

I guarantee it.

There gonna spend at most 80 milllion on a lobo movie. 80 milllion for a wonder woman flick you'd get special effects like elektra at best.

In that scenario lobo would likely make more money too.

 

[Micromind]

Maybe I am wrong but I think that WB can make a decent quality Wonder Woman for a budget of 100 million.

If the movie is good, It will make near 300 million worldwide.

 

[superion]

Maybe I am wrong but I think that WB can make a decent quality Wonder Woman for a budget of 150 million.

If the movie is good, It will make near 300 million worldwide.

$300 million worldwide for a movie with a budget of $150 is just breaking even. I have serious doubts a WW movie could make that much, neither Green Lantern or the Hulk were able to get to that figure. But I would like to see WB make the WW movie just so we can how will it does do rather than continuing with the conjecture.

 

[chiefchirpa]

Lobo is a space movie, for all the CG it will cost more money than sword and sandal. Unless they want a GL 2, which the former cost more than $200 million.

Kick the Clash of Titans franchise out, give Carano an acting lesson or Arterton a fighting lesson, gear it as a semi chick flick -> Wonder Woman. Budget $110 million.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Lobo is a space movie, for all the CG it will cost more money than sword and sandal.

Apparently not since Lobo was just a property they had on the shelf that somebody pitched a story for and Wonder Woman is the would-be tentpole property.

 

[Micromind]

Kick the Clash of Titans franchise out, give Carano an acting lesson or Arterton a fighting lesson, gear it as a semi chick flick -> Wonder Woman. Budget $110 million.

I almost never agree with you, I agree there, to some extent.

WB needs to stop making Clash Of Titans / Wrath of Titans movies and their sequels, just get Gemma Arterton (or someone more suitable.) and make the damn Wonder Woman movie, base its structure on critically acclaimed WW animated movie.


look at the Box office performances

Clash of the Titans (2010),
Production Budget: $125 million
Worldwide: $493,214,993

Wrath of the Titans
Production Budget: $150 million
Worldwide: $297,619,832

Immortals
Production Budget: $75 million
Worldwide: $226,904,017

This shows that WB can make a Wonder Woman movie for a budget of 100 to 120 million.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I have to agree. To me Wonder Woman and Aquaman give you the most to work with. Amazons, various mythology (albeit poorly researched with the Amazons worshipping Greek Gods for some reason), lots of big beasts.

The Aquaman TV show pilot had some interesting ideas. Terrible execution. But if you can't work with Atlantis, the US Navy taking on sea monsters, the Bermuda triangle, and an orphaned superhero prince, you're just not trying hard enough.

 

[DW4]

We can speculate all we want.

What we do know is that WB/DC definitely are talking about things now, they see the success and all the money the films brought in on their own(when made right) and what happens when they all come together which is even better. Marvel/Disney are swimming in pools of cash right now and it's only going to get better.

First DC will want to reboot Batman with less then a realistic approach to him and then make a Batman/Superman movie, whether that will revolve with the new Superman movie, who knows? They will definitely not jump right into the Justice League.

Whether they give someone like Flash or Wonder Woman their own solo movie before attempting this, we don't know. They HAVE to attempt it though and I'm sure they will.

 

[DaveMoral]

DC should make solo films tailored to the needs of their characters. Wonder Woman should be a fantasy epic rather than a superhero movie. You can touch on the superhero aspect of the character, but it needs to be like Wrath of Titans invades the modern age rather than Wonder Woman fighting some mundane villain like Cheetah.

Superman is just, well... Superman. Nolan has done Batman justice, even though I'd like to see more willingness to try a more faithful suit building off of what we saw with Captain American in The Avengers... and to pursue the crazier elements of the Rogues Gallery(I can't tell you how much I'd love a couple Batman horror films starring Killer Croc and Clayface). Green Lantern needs to be a full blown space opera... and then you bring these guys together. As much as it sounds crazy to some, that's actually kind of the point. These are very disparate characters, coming together for a common purpose... and for some of them it should be a shock to be confronted with the others. Especially Batman. It should be absolutely insane to him that a guy has a glowing green ring that can do damn near whatever the wielder can think of, a super strong alien, and a woman that was created by the magic of ancient Greek gods. And every one of them should be shocked by the threat that confronts the planet they live on. That's what so damn awesome about New 52 Justice League and Earth 2 really. Earth 2 actually gives us a set up where the forces of Apokalips are descending on earth and they are an overwhelming force for even the Greek pantheon(though in Earth 2 they use the Roman names).

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

They should shoehorn in a post credits scene in Man of Steel, Jimmy Olsen knocks on Clarks door at the Planet with a hot lead on claims about a giant bat supposedly terrorizing Gotham City or something of the sort.

Clark looks at it and goes "hmm..."

The end

Do it WB/DC, I know you wanna.